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    Hi guys, hope everyone has been staying safe in these crazy times we're in.

    Recently, I haven't been loving my DW Performance kit and I think it's time for something new. I haven't been kit shopping in a while, other than for the Superstars (but I had been looking for those for a good while), and it just seems like the market isn't that great, and I've had trouble finding something cool to be my main gigging/touring kit.

    With the DW's, they were super resonant, which I love, but they were always lacking in the low end a little bit, in my opinion. Sizes are 12x9, 16x14, 22x18. I could always get them to sound great, but never quite as beefy as I would have liked for them to, just very clean and had a lot of sustain, which I also like, probably due to them being maple and having the sharp 45 edges. I also wanted to add a couple extra toms, which I couldn't do because my finish in the Performance series is discontinued. I'd have to order a Collector's tom, which is definitely cost prohibitive. Ideally, I'd like to hang around the $2000 price point at max.

    Ideally, if I could have whatever I wanted, I'd have 10x7, 12x8, and 13x9 rack toms, never all at once, just to switch between. The 10" is the least of my worries, I'd prefer to have the 12" and 13" more if I could only pick two. Floor tom would be 16x16, I think part of the reason for the DW's not having enough "meat" to their sound was because of that floor tom size. It resonated super nicely but it never had the booty I wanted. Kick would be 22x16, not picky about having the mount or having a virgin kick. The portability of a 22x18 is just enough to be annoying, and I never felt like my kick was punchy enough, but it was definitely loud and resonant, which I liked. I wouldn't even be opposed to a 22x14.

    I'm not loyal to one brand, but I'd really love to own a Tama Starclassic again, I miss my old 13/16/18/24 B/B kit and wouldn't mind those shells again. The caveat to that is, Tama discontinued the B/B shells (and all Bubinga for that matter), so what's left in the market is all that's left. I found a really great Starclassic Maple that I could get for $1600, but theres a crack in the floor tom shell. It seems like something that wouldn't be too hard to fix, and doesn't seem like it would even be noticeable, but I've never dealt with a drum with damage like that, so I truly don't know if it would become a problem down the line, or just something that is a cosmetic flaw, which doesn't bother me. The sizes are 10x7, 12x8, 16x16, 22x16, not sure how much it would be to order the extra tom, though. Here's a couple pictures for reference of the damage.

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    I've liked the new birch/walnut kits, which basically replaced the birch/bubingas, but actually might sound a little fuller from what I've picked up by listening to endless amounts of Youtube videos haha. I'm not 100% sold on them because in order to get the 12x8 and 16x16 toms, I'd have to go with 22x14 which isn't ideal, plus the 10x7 and 13x9 would both be special order and who knows how long that would take.

    If I'm missing any drums that I might be overlooking, let me know! I'm open to anything. I know this was pretty longwinded, but I appreciate whoever stuck around to read it all, haha.
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    1600 is at least 600 too much for that kit Mitch. See if you can find a used delite or prolite for a similar price. GC is also offering 48 mos 0% interest on some kits, the sonor vintage series among them. Not saying SONOR or nothing but those thin maple shells on the prolite and delite excel at low tuning. Also for that budget, why not a mapex Saturn or a used bp kit? When I was addicted to the sound of Yamaha PHX drums, the Velvetone series shared a lot of similar traits. Those shells tune low really nicely

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    https://reverb.com/marketplace?query=mapex%20saturn

    https://reverb.com/item/30172099-tam...-to-black-fade

    https://reverb.com/item/33667945-tam...black-24-14-18

    https://reverb.com/item/28187481-tam...oral-reef-blue

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    Quote Originally Posted by j kuhl View Post
    1600 is at least 600 too much for that kit Mitch. See if you can find a used delite or prolite for a similar price. GC is also offering 48 mos 0% interest on some kits, the sonor vintage series among them. Not saying SONOR or nothing but those thin maple shells on the prolite and delite excel at low tuning. Also for that budget, why not a mapex Saturn or a used bp kit? When I was addicted to the sound of Yamaha PHX drums, the Velvetone series shared a lot of similar traits. Those shells tune low really nicely

    https://reverb.com/item/31042598-son..._source=google

    https://www.musicgoround.com/product...yABEgJsAPD_BwE

    https://reverb.com/item/31042551-son..._source=google

    https://reverb.com/marketplace?query=mapex%20saturn

    https://reverb.com/item/30172099-tam...-to-black-fade

    https://reverb.com/item/33667945-tam...black-24-14-18

    https://reverb.com/item/28187481-tam...oral-reef-blue
    I’ve looked through a lot of these and most of them don’t fit what I want. I know the SCM’s I mentioned with the damaged shell probably wouldn’t have much resale, but they go for $2700 new and he said he’s never gigged them, so that’s the only flaw with them. I also spoke to the guy with the last kit you listed and he isn’t willing to ship them unfortunately. Do you think the crack will really make much of a difference? If it was a crack in the bearing edge I’d definitely stay away but I’m just not sure what would happen with them, but I’m still thinking about them. The Saturns intrigue me but I’ve never really gotten to play a kit extensively and I’m not crazy about their hardware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchLyons View Post
    I'm not loyal to one brand, but I'd really love to own a Tama Starclassic again, I miss my old 13/16/18/24 B/B kit and wouldn't mind those shells again. The caveat to that is, Tama discontinued the B/B shells (and all Bubinga for that matter), so what's left in the market is all that's left.
    I believe Tama is still offering special order Star Bubinga, and possibly even Starclassic Bubinga kits, both made in Japan, but not Chinese-made Starclassic Birch/Bubinga kits. They are still featuring Star Bubinga as an option on the Tama website, which has recently been revamped. The price on either of those options is going to be higher than the Birch/Bubinga kits you might find on the used market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchLyons View Post
    I’ve looked through a lot of these and most of them don’t fit what I want. I know the SCM’s I mentioned with the damaged shell probably wouldn’t have much resale, but they go for $2700 new and he said he’s never gigged them, so that’s the only flaw with them. I also spoke to the guy with the last kit you listed and he isn’t willing to ship them unfortunately. Do you think the crack will really make much of a difference? If it was a crack in the bearing edge I’d definitely stay away but I’m just not sure what would happen with them, but I’m still thinking about them. The Saturns intrigue me but I’ve never really gotten to play a kit extensively and I’m not crazy about their hardware.
    Yeah, I get it, those were just quick references for what's out there in the 1600ish range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumming-4-Life View Post
    I believe Tama is still offering special order Star Bubinga, and possibly even Starclassic Bubinga kits, both made in Japan, but not Chinese-made Starclassic Birch/Bubinga kits. They are still featuring Star Bubinga as an option on the Tama website, which has recently been revamped. The price on either of those options is going to be higher than the Birch/Bubinga kits you might find on the used market.
    Matt can correct me if I’m wrong, but I understand that Tama is holding aside some Bubinga for add ons for existing kits. That’s why they dropped the B/B out of the Starclassic line. If you can swing it, and the damage doesn’t bother you, get the Tama’s and enjoy playing them as that’s where your heart is for drums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumming-4-Life View Post
    I believe Tama is still offering special order Star Bubinga, and possibly even Starclassic Bubinga kits, both made in Japan, but not Chinese-made Starclassic Birch/Bubinga kits. They are still featuring Star Bubinga as an option on the Tama website, which has recently been revamped. The price on either of those options is going to be higher than the Birch/Bubinga kits you might find on the used market.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pearlnpaisteguy View Post
    Matt can correct me if I’m wrong, but I understand that Tama is holding aside some Bubinga for add ons for existing kits. That’s why they dropped the B/B out of the Starclassic line. If you can swing it, and the damage doesn’t bother you, get the Tama’s and enjoy playing them as that’s where your heart is for drums.
    This is where the grey area is for me, I’ve heard from some that you can get special ordered B/B and Bubinga drums, but when I asked the guys at Fork’s they were pretty certain that it can’t be done. Do either of you guys have a shop that you trust that would be able to give me a straight honest answer?

    Also the deal with the damaged SC Maples isn’t that I’m married to that particular kit, it’s just not super often that the newer SC Maples come up for sale used, and the newer ones have the exact sizes I like. Honestly, buying them brand new at $2700 is just not in my budget, so I’m also tempted to just hold on to the money for the time being and wait on the right deal to come up, I just viewed these as buying a “scratch and dent” set of drums for a discount. I’m not opposed to waiting it out for another newer SC Maple to come up used, down the line, I just don’t know if I’ll regret buying the damaged kit if another one doesn’t come up in this price range. I’ve never spent anywhere close to this much money on drums, so I’m very weary as to what I’m getting for the price. I bought my old Starclassic B/B for $600 and traded them straight up for my current DW Performances. I know I’m being a bit difficult and picky, but for the $1600-$2000 price range, I feel like I shouldn’t be settling on anything, even as trivial as depths.

    I’ve been checking out some of the full Bubinga kits but they’re so damn expensive, even for a used one, and as I said earlier, I was told that add-ons are unavailable, but that might not be true. I’ve heard from some that they’re really amazing and I’ve heard from others that they’re overrated and don’t sound as good a maple kit. I’ve never gotten to play one ever, so I have no idea.

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    I’d wait and buy what you really want. If you don’t get exactly what you’re looking for you will end up looking again down the road. If the damage to that drum isn’t a structural issue & the seller comes down on price you can always wrap it but IMO that’s way too much for a damaged kit.

    Plus, if you really want a full bubinga or a B/B then buy individual drums in the sizes you want and then wrap them all in the same color.

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    This is a fantastic deal before the new Saturns come out.

    https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...ral-maple-burl

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    According how bad you are missing your B/B's.....I do miss mine and would like to have a backup kit of them. They recorded great. I think the B/B's will be sought after greatly in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sticks4drums View Post
    This is a fantastic deal before the new Saturns come out.

    https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...ral-maple-burl
    That’s a great option but that finish looks like plywood IMO. I like their lacquer finishes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Kurgan View Post
    That’s a great option but that finish looks like plywood IMO. I like their lacquer finishes.
    It is their most popular finish at the moment. There are 4 other finishes to choose from. This one is nice.

    https://www.drumazon.com/products/ma...ist-maple-burl

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