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  1. Looks That Kill

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    Quote Originally Posted by JY Kelly View Post
    I actually agree- one of the funnier things I've been called.
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    This has me rethinking about getting a collectors. A pearl MMC is looking good. My OCD about mixing hardware/drum brands is giving me a headache

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pearlnpaisteguy View Post
    This has me rethinking about getting a collectors. A pearl MMC is looking good. My OCD about mixing hardware/drum brands is giving me a headache
    Are you considering getting a Collectors? I would look into a masterworks instead. I wish I had
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    I traded in the 10 piece design series kit I had for a soon to be ordered collectors, mainly because I was looking at a custom lacquer finish (one based off a Harley Davidson, and DW would get the paint directly from them). I’ve read other posts stating trouble with DW bearing edges. For the money they charge, there should be absolutely none. I’m not against a Masterworks Kit, but there’s no way in hell they’ll be able to do the finish I want, so I’d have to reconsider what finish it would be. Plus, all my hardware is DW and I’m Not selling that off. I Love Pearl Drums, but they the need to expand their finish options In the MMC and Maple Reserve lines, imho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pearlnpaisteguy View Post
    I traded in the 10 piece design series kit I had for a collectors, mainly because I was looking at a custom lacquer finish (one based off a Harley Davidson, and DW would get the paint directly from them). I’ve read other posts stating trouble with DW bearing edges. For the money they charge, there should be absolutely none. I’m not against a Masterworks Kit, but there’s no way in hell they’ll be able to do the finish I want, so I’d have to reconsider what finish it would be. Plus, all my hardware is DW and I’m Not selling them off. I Love Pearl Drums, but they the need to expand their finish options In the MMC and Maple Reserve lines, imho.
    Don't get me wrong, I really wanted to love my DW kit. Looking at it, it's a beautiful set of drums. Natural satin oil birch shells with a killer grain pattern. It would look awesome in a living room next to a grand piano, classy as ****..... If looks were sound, this kit would be off the map. Problem is, sound is what really counts and I don't want to spend all my free time fighting with tuning. It's really a shame, because when DW is on, they are some of the best sounding kits out there. It seems like lately their quality control is headed to what Ludwig used to be known for. Once your qc becomes questionable, it takes years to get your customers to trust you again. In some cases, they never will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CUZNRED View Post
    It seems like lately their quality control is headed to what Ludwig used to be known for. Once your qc becomes questionable, it takes years to get your customers to trust you again. In some cases, they never will.
    You Hit the Nail on the Head there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pearlnpaisteguy View Post
    You Hit the Nail on the Head there.
    Yeah, now I gota figure out what I am going to do to salvage this situation. I don't want this kit now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CUZNRED View Post
    Don't get me wrong, I really wanted to love my DW kit. Looking at it, it's a beautiful set of drums. Natural satin oil birch shells with a killer grain pattern. It would look awesome in a living room next to a grand piano, classy as ****..... If looks were sound, this kit would be off the map. Problem is, sound is what really counts and I don't want to spend all my free time fighting with tuning. It's really a shame, because when DW is on, they are some of the best sounding kits out there. It seems like lately their quality control is headed to what Ludwig used to be known for. Once your qc becomes questionable, it takes years to get your customers to trust you again. In some cases, they never will.
    I hear that. I was a dyed in the wool DW fanboy for so long that I really considered them to be the only worthy brand out there for a while. And to be fair, from about 2007-2015 or so they were nailing everything. The build quality was excellent, the drums sounded great, and they were really making strides in innovation. I think that Timeless Timbers Romanian River Oak kit was DW at their absolute peak, and it's been kind of a sad downhill turn for them. They figured out that the limited edition worked, and basically just formulated it and have basically had it on repeat for the last 4-5 years. It's stagnant. They're almost offering too many things right now, which presents a lack of focus for the company. When you're doing that many things at once, you're doing none of it well. Companies like Yamaha, Tama, Pearl, and Sonor are focusing their options more than ever now, and are churning out extremely high quality instruments that don't have to break the bank.

    I mean just look at their lineup:

    Collectors Series: Maple, Birch, Cherry, Oak, Purpleheart, Stainless Steel, Maple/Mahogany, Cherry/Mahogany, Maple/Spruce, Cherry/Spruce, Mahogany/Spruce, Contemporary Classic, Santa Monica (?)

    Whatever Crazy Limited Edition for the year: 45th Anniversary, Taz kit, Almond kit

    Jazz Series: Maple/Gum, Cherry/Gum, Mahogany/Gum

    Classics Series Mahogany/Poplar

    Performance Series

    Design Series: Maple, Acrylic

    PDP Concept: Maple, Birch, Classic (wood hoop kit)

    That's 23 regular drum kit options with an annual limited run, and 18 of those are made in the Custom Shop in California. At some point that gets to be too much craziness for your employees.


    Look at Tama:

    Star: Bubinga, Maple, Walnut

    Starclassic: Maple, Walnut/Birch

    SLP: Spruce, Maple, Kapur, Hickory

    SLP Limited: G-Bubinga, Black Steel

    Superstar Duo Hyperdrive

    Superstar Classic

    Imperialstar

    They're offering plenty of options without completely cluttering the the high end, and the Star drums are made in the Japanese factory, where they can focus on just building that one thing.


    Yamaha is even more focused.

    PHX

    Live Custom Oak Hybrid

    Custom Absolute Hybird

    Tour Custom

    Stage Custom

    There's very little competition between Yamaha's ranges, and it's so dialed in that they can focus on building super high quality instruments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeftySlammer92 View Post
    I hear that. I was a dyed in the wool DW fanboy for so long that I really considered them to be the only worthy brand out there for a while. And to be fair, from about 2007-2015 or so they were nailing everything. The build quality was excellent, the drums sounded great, and they were really making strides in innovation. I think that Timeless Timbers Romanian River Oak kit was DW at their absolute peak, and it's been kind of a sad downhill turn for them. They figured out that the limited edition worked, and basically just formulated it and have basically had it on repeat for the last 4-5 years. It's stagnant. They're almost offering too many things right now, which presents a lack of focus for the company. When you're doing that many things at once, you're doing none of it well. Companies like Yamaha, Tama, Pearl, and Sonor are focusing their options more than ever now, and are churning out extremely high quality instruments that don't have to break the bank.

    I mean just look at their lineup:

    Collectors Series: Maple, Birch, Cherry, Oak, Purpleheart, Stainless Steel, Maple/Mahogany, Cherry/Mahogany, Maple/Spruce, Cherry/Spruce, Mahogany/Spruce, Contemporary Classic, Santa Monica (?)

    Whatever Crazy Limited Edition for the year: 45th Anniversary, Taz kit, Almond kit

    Jazz Series: Maple/Gum, Cherry/Gum, Mahogany/Gum

    Classics Series Mahogany/Poplar

    Performance Series

    Design Series: Maple, Acrylic

    PDP Concept: Maple, Birch, Classic (wood hoop kit)

    That's 23 regular drum kit options with an annual limited run, and 18 of those are made in the Custom Shop in California. At some point that gets to be too much craziness for your employees.


    Look at Tama:

    Star: Bubinga, Maple, Walnut

    Starclassic: Maple, Walnut/Birch

    SLP: Spruce, Maple, Kapur, Hickory

    SLP Limited: G-Bubinga, Black Steel

    Superstar Duo Hyperdrive

    Superstar Classic

    Imperialstar

    They're offering plenty of options without completely cluttering the the high end, and the Star drums are made in the Japanese factory, where they can focus on just building that one thing.


    Yamaha is even more focused.

    PHX

    Live Custom Oak Hybrid

    Custom Absolute Hybird

    Tour Custom

    Stage Custom

    There's very little competition between Yamaha's ranges, and it's so dialed in that they can focus on building super high quality instruments.
    On DW don't forget about all the different grain orientation SSC shells vlx vlt hvx hvlt etc etc
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    Sorry to hear about your DW Kit. Although I have never owned any DW drums I have played a older collectors kit and it sounded great. I owned a BSX in the past and couldn’t get the 10” tom to tune correctly. Maybe it was me or as LS said inferior heads or bad edges.

    Maybe it is a quality control issue but you would think for that amount of money it should be perfect in every way. I would be very disappointed and angry! I hope things work out for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeld-the-wicked View Post
    Sorry to hear about your DW Kit. Although I have never owned any DW drums I have played a older collectors kit and it sounded great. I owned a BSX in the past and couldn’t get the 10” tom to tune correctly. Maybe it was me or as LS said inferior heads or bad edges.

    Maybe it is a quality control issue but you would think for that amount of money it should be perfect in every way. I would be very disappointed and angry! I hope things work out for you.
    Well, what can you do....... I should have ordered a masterworks, or just kept the 2 Mct kits that I traded which were good kits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CUZNRED View Post
    Well, what can you do....... I should have ordered a masterworks, or just kept the 2 Mct kits that I traded which were good kits.
    Talk to Flache before you do that.
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