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  1. Looks That Kill

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    Default My take on my new DW Collectors Birch kit

    I was told these drums are a little harder to tune up, but I had no idea what I was in for until I bought a kit.

    OK, I have had it with these drums man. As beautiful as they are, I have spent a majority of the day ****ing with this god/dam 12 inch tom. I put new remo heads on it, clear ambassador on the reso side and coated ambassador on the batter side. Tuning evenly to find the tone of the drum. Once I think I have found the tone, I get this nagging overtone. Once I tune out the overtone, I lose the tone and the drum chokes on me. Then it's back to square one retuning the drum all over again, with the same results. I had zero issues getting my masters kits in tune and it took almost no time at all. Stage custom kit pretty much tuned itself for $699.00. Every DW kit should come complete with a live in drum tech, because that's what these stupid drums need. **** these drums man, I want my Pearls back.
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  2. Drumming Since 1943

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    Quote Originally Posted by CUZNRED View Post
    I was told these drums are a little harder to tune up, but I had no idea what I was in for until I bought a kit.

    OK, I have had it with these drums man. As beautiful as they are, I have spent a majority of the day ****ing with this god/dam 12 inch tom. I put new remo heads on it, clear ambassador on the reso side and coated ambassador on the batter side. Tuning evenly to find the tone of the drum. Once I think I have found the tone, I get this nagging overtone. Once I tune out the overtone, I lose the tone and the drum chokes on me. Then it's back to square one retuning the drum all over again, with the same results. I had zero issues getting my masters kits in tune and it took almost no time at all. Stage custom kit pretty much tuned itself for $699.00. Every DW kit should come complete with a live in drum tech, because that's what these stupid drums need. **** these drums man, I want my Pearls back.
    *Cue the “you just don’t know how to tune” army.
    Way Too Much Crap

  3. Registered User

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    What is different about a 12" tom over all the others???

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    Quote Originally Posted by JY Kelly View Post
    *Cue the “you just don’t know how to tune” army.
    Haha
    Tuning is such a lottery. Sometimes ya just get lucky and nail it straight off, sometimes you're there tinkering forever. Anyone who says otherwise is probably just tone deaf

    *Cue the "I've got a system, mate" army.
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  5. Drumming Since 1943

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yodelling_Sheep View Post
    Haha
    Tuning is such a lottery. Sometimes ya just get lucky and nail it straight off, sometimes you're there tinkering forever. Anyone who says otherwise is probably just tone deaf

    *Cue the "I've got a system, mate" army.
    I’m having a really tough time with my 16x16 BRX FT.
    Way Too Much Crap

  6. Now With More "Whiz"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterBlaster56 View Post
    What is different about a 12" tom over all the others???
    Its diameter?

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    I don't expect anyone here to actually give me a real answer.

  8. Looks That Kill

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    Quote Originally Posted by JY Kelly View Post
    *Cue the “you just don’t know how to tune” army.
    I take back my former comment. Sorry
    Last edited by CUZNRED; 10-27-2019 at 09:33 AM.
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  9. Drumming Since 1943

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    Quote Originally Posted by CUZNRED View Post
    Right jerkwagon, that's why I got my pearl masters maple complete kit to sound perfect in under 30 minutes, my lack of tuning skills got me there. I should have known better than to come to this forum for help with anything.
    Whoa! Dude- my comment was actually disparaging others, not you. I then mentioned that I’m having tubing trouble myself. Capice?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JY Kelly View Post

    Whoa! Dude- my comment was actually disparaging others, not you. I then mentioned that I’m having tubing trouble myself. Capice?
    I didnt read it as disparagung either. Any way, when i have a drum that wont tune easily I will crank the heads down and let the drun sit for a day to stretch out the heads. I then find when i come back to it, i have an easier time getting it to dial in.

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    To the op and JY, you need to check the trueness of the bearing edge. Take the heads off and set the drum on a really flat surface like a glass table top or even better, a granite counter top. Check for any wobble or unevenness in the edge. Any time I had a drum that was hard to tune, 90 percent of the time it was an uneven bearing edge. Even a minute amount can cause a problem with tuning and weird overtones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CUZNRED View Post
    I put new remo heads on it, clear ambassador on the reso side and coated ambassador on the batter side. Tuning evenly to find the tone of the drum. Once I think I have found the tone, I get this nagging overtone. Once I tune out the overtone, I lose the tone and the drum chokes on me. Then it's back to square one retuning the drum all over again, with the same results.
    I feel with you! Sometimes one drum of a set can drive you nut - I had this with the 13“ BLX tom which never wanted to sound good until I cut it in half and built a snare from it...

    Back to your tom: you mentioned new heads - have you tapped them out of the box? Sometimes it‘s just a dead head which is the culprit. Just to be sure: have you checked the edges and the roundness of the drum (I know it‘s new, but...).

    Interesting enough the fact that whenever I have one drum being more difficult to tune in a set it is always the 12“. It‘s not the tuning process itself, but most often the 12“ sounds little different than the other drums and sometimes it ends with a very small amount of muffling to tame the overtones a little. Remember muffling is not a crime - we are not talking about gaffer tape here, just a 1/4 moongel or the like.

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