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    Default Hi-Hat - closed vs open gain settings

    I need to increase the gain level of the hi-hat in a closed position or decrease the gain level when the hi-hat is open. Are there separate settings - is this possible?

    Note, this question from a sound tech that has no time to read through 4+ pages dealing with hi hat setup.

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    Default Hi Hat

    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Kohrs View Post
    I need to increase the gain level of the hi-hat in a closed position or decrease the gain level when the hi-hat is open. Are there separate settings - is this possible?

    Note, this question from a sound tech that has no time to read through 4+ pages dealing with hi hat setup.
    Hi,

    Could you please tell me what module you are using?

    Redbox or Mimic Pro?
    Bob Sabellico - Product Manager - Pearl Electronic Percussion Division

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    Hi Bob,

    Mimic Pro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Kohrs View Post
    I need to increase the gain level of the hi-hat in a closed position or decrease the gain level when the hi-hat is open. Are there separate settings - is this possible?

    Note, this question from a sound tech that has no time to read through 4+ pages dealing with hi hat setup.
    I’ve noticed this too. The closed position is very quiet compared to open would be nice if you could adjust the balance

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    Quote Originally Posted by powerkor View Post
    Iíve noticed this too. The closed position is very quiet compared to open would be nice if you could adjust the balance
    Hi,

    In your trigger settings choose Hi Hat.

    You have adjustment for Zone Volume and Zone Velo Mod.

    You should be able to find your desired balance by working with these adjustments.
    Bob Sabellico - Product Manager - Pearl Electronic Percussion Division

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    I'm also experiencing the same issue with my hi hat setting closed softer than the open setting on my Redbox module. Anyone else experience this issue with their Redbox module?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sabellico View Post
    Hi,

    In your trigger settings choose Hi Hat.

    You have adjustment for Zone Volume and Zone Velo Mod.

    You should be able to find your desired balance by working with these adjustments.
    There aren't enough options in that menu. You have edge and bow adjustments but the the open and closed sound for bow and edge move together. We need to be able to adjust the open bow sound in relation to the closed bow sound and open edge sound in relation to the closed edge sound. I haven't found this in any of the menus. If it's there, please advise. If not, we need this in a firmware update. You can't get to realistic HH without it. Hope it helps.

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    I know Pearl is monitoring this board. I guess no reply means there is no support in the Mimic to make this critical adjustment.

    How bad is it? I'm using a second drum module for HH so I can control the volume settings between samples and get realistic HH. The Mimic sounds are good but they're WAY out of balance. As such, they are unusable to those with a discerning ear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 510man View Post
    I know Pearl is monitoring this board. I guess no reply means there is no support in the Mimic to make this critical adjustment.

    How bad is it? I'm using a second drum module for HH so I can control the volume settings between samples and get realistic HH. The Mimic sounds are good but they're WAY out of balance. As such, they are unusable to those with a discerning ear.

    It's the setting, the volume are all right, if you don't have proper input gain, capture top velocity, hihat control setting, you will get issue, unless your headphone don't have isolation you will hear you stick hit on the trigger rather then a sample.

    Here is the proof see below demo, all is balanced using default kit, no tweak on velo mod, no tweak on zone volume, using vh11 hihat, only set input gain, top velocity and HH control calibration will works.

    https://soundcloud.com/user-76111509...xOhguDeEup5G9U


    Ps: If you want to increase lower velocity level, use dynamic fader from 90 to 80 or 70 and or curve setting.
    Last edited by Chrisk; 02-09-2019 at 04:40 PM.

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    Reminder, using ATV cymbal on the edge articulation don't have much angle to hit compare to Roland, ATV edge is more activated from top of the cymbal, less on the edge angle like Roland, this can create issue while playing. https://youtu.be/nLM4aKrdVW8?t=113


    BTW capture top velocity you should ending having near 900-1280 value, if you are using lower value then the full velocity, you will have shifting dynamic, articulation and volume on all instruments.
    Last edited by Chrisk; 02-11-2019 at 02:00 PM.

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    I'm using a brand new VH13. I've set max velocity several times. Used complete stock settings. This problem became unacceptable. I played with all the settings I can find but no volume setting of the HH samples. If it's here, it's not called out in the manual that I can find. I'm perplex why everyone appears afraid to just say "there's no such adjustment" if that's the answer. Dancing around the question solves nothing.

    Your recording is acceptable.Thanks for posting it. Which HHs are you using? If you load different HHs, you'll find the factory setting are more balanced on some than they are on others. So, Pearl is inconsistent within its own programming, which further shows why Pearl needs an adjustment in the SW. It's very shortsighted to think one engineer's idea of how that balance should be is acceptable to all or that the module will respond equally to all pads and all HH controllers, which is how it is advertised. WAY too many variables in there to conclude no adjustment is ever needed. The fact you have a reasonably balanced recording only means it's attainable (a good thing). It doesn't mean that I and others don't have an unacceptable issue nor does it mean Pearl shouldn't have an adjustment in the SW.

    I'll continue to work with it but I'm concluding the extremely helpful adjustment the other manufactures have isn't in the Mimic, which is what the OP was looking for and so am I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisk View Post
    Reminder, using ATV cymbal on the edge articulation don't have much angle to hit compare to Roland, ATV edge is more activated from top of the cymbal, less on the edge angle like Roland, this can create issue while playing. https://youtu.be/nLM4aKrdVW8?t=113 .
    ??? The VH13 is Roland so I'm no sure why we went over to ATV on this HH question. I have an ATV ride on backorder though so we'll jump off that bridge when it arrives.

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