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    Hey folks, just wanted to bump this and ask for a touch more advice. As stated above I got the set of KSM141's but after listening to our latest recordings, I've decided that I'm going to use the 141's for hat and ride to get more definition. This means I no longer have extra mics to use for the room

    I was thinking I could try something a touch different and look into a mono ribbon mic to add a bit of "vibe" to the overall sound. I've seen lots of folks suggesting either a fathead, or the Nady RSM-4. They are both affordable, so any guidance would be great!

    I'm also planning to pickup an SM7B in the near future for vocals, but I'm not sure how good it would work as a room mic. If anyone has used one for drums/guitar room let me know how it went! Would be awesome if it could cover both vox/room with the SM7B.

    Thanks,
    Practice Kit:
    Pearl: 14X3.5FFM, 16X16DM
    A Cstm: 13" MS Hats, 10" Spl, 20 Proj Crash, 18" EFX, 6.5" ZilBel, 14" SwissFlanger

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    A Cstm: 13" MS Hats, 20" Proj Crash, 6.5" ZilBel, 8" Spl

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boy_Narf View Post
    Hey folks, just wanted to bump this and ask for a touch more advice. As stated above I got the set of KSM141's but after listening to our latest recordings, I've decided that I'm going to use the 141's for hat and ride to get more definition. This means I no longer have extra mics to use for the room

    I was thinking I could try something a touch different and look into a mono ribbon mic to add a bit of "vibe" to the overall sound. I've seen lots of folks suggesting either a fathead, or the Nady RSM-4. They are both affordable, so any guidance would be great!

    I'm also planning to pickup an SM7B in the near future for vocals, but I'm not sure how good it would work as a room mic. If anyone has used one for drums/guitar room let me know how it went! Would be awesome if it could cover both vox/room with the SM7B.

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    If you want vibe, go with a ribbon room mic. An SM7B is an excellent vocal mic (I have 2 of them) but it's not likely to provide the type of color I imagine you are looking for. Also, you will probably want a mic with an omnidirectional or figure of 8 polar pattern for your room, not cardiod (as the SM7B is).

    I apologize if this has already been addressed (I haven't gone through the whole history in this thread), but just as important as your mic choice will be the compressor you choose when mixing. You're going to want something that can totally crush this track, but in a musical way. If you have the Slate Everything bundle, FG-Stress can do the job quite admirably. There are other great options from other companies as well. Good luck with it all.

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    An SM57 should be close enough to an SM7B to get an idea of how an SM7B would work as a room mic.

    If you're playing a 3pc kit, I don't imagine you really need two overheads, especially if you're mic'ing the ride and hats.
    Maybe you could do one KSM141 overhead, the two SM81s on ride and hats - that should give you some stereo spread,
    then put the other KSM141 in the room or tucked in the kit somewhere in cardioid or omni.
    Or, you could skip the overheads all together and run stereo room mics.

    As for ribbons, another option is the MXL R40.
    Musicians Friend usually has them on sale.
    I went with the Cascade Fatheads because I'm under the impression that they have better quality control.
    I'm still a n00b, so I didn't want to unknowingly have mics that maybe weren't quite up to par.

    Here are some examples of what different mics sound like in different areas around the kit and room.
    Mic setup - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSs3Sr_ZiTI
    Mic demos - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YLlJZzO3cs
    And here's an example of a mono overhead with the ride and hat mics giving stereo spread.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fissQs1Aa88

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    Interesting idea on the mono overheads. I had planned to out the 141s as close as possible and down in the mix. I wonder if those would pickup enough of my other cymbals... Hmm some tests are in order.
    Practice Kit:
    Pearl: 14X3.5FFM, 16X16DM
    A Cstm: 13" MS Hats, 10" Spl, 20 Proj Crash, 18" EFX, 6.5" ZilBel, 14" SwissFlanger

    Gig Kit:
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    I often use a mono overhead and stereo room mics. In fact I'll use a mono room mic as well. A mono overhead will give you a more powerful center image, as you get less phase issues between your overheads and close mics.

    A cardioid mic doesn't usually make for a great room mic. Like Mike, I would go for an omni or fig-8 mic for room miking. Omni will give you huge bass at a distance and fig-8 will give you a sense of depth, due to the mic picking up from the front and the rear. Ribbon mics are my favorites for room mics.

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    Hey folks,

    I've decided to prioritise a new interface over room mics, but I do intend to get a pair of Cascade Fatheads sometime down the line. I think a ribbon would add a nice vibe to my other hi-fi sounding mics. Been doing lots of research and seems like folks prefer a stereo room mic setup, as the mono mic can kill the stereo spread. I was eyeballing the pair of Fathead BE mics. How are these things compared to their standard model? Or if you have any other suggestions for ribbons mics that are "lo-fi/vibey" that would be great! Would like to keep it under $500 CAD for the pair.

    Next set of demos we will be using the KSM's on hat/ride for the first time, along with the 81's for over heads. I'll look at the pair of room mics for our first run of demos in 2019. I only have 8 inputs on the interface so I need one of those first

    Thanks for the help everyone!
    Practice Kit:
    Pearl: 14X3.5FFM, 16X16DM
    A Cstm: 13" MS Hats, 10" Spl, 20 Proj Crash, 18" EFX, 6.5" ZilBel, 14" SwissFlanger

    Gig Kit:
    Pearl: 13X3 Map Pic, 14" Masters MCX, 16" Export Kick
    A Cstm: 13" MS Hats, 20" Proj Crash, 6.5" ZilBel, 8" Spl

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    It is my understanding that all the Fat Heads come stock with the same guts, and sound the same.
    Less accessories are included with the Fat Head BEs, and the body and grill on the Fat Head IIs are different.

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    excellent thanks!
    Practice Kit:
    Pearl: 14X3.5FFM, 16X16DM
    A Cstm: 13" MS Hats, 10" Spl, 20 Proj Crash, 18" EFX, 6.5" ZilBel, 14" SwissFlanger

    Gig Kit:
    Pearl: 13X3 Map Pic, 14" Masters MCX, 16" Export Kick
    A Cstm: 13" MS Hats, 20" Proj Crash, 6.5" ZilBel, 8" Spl

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