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    I was watching Bill Nye Saves the World, season 2, on Netflix yesterday and episode 2 or 3 was about addiction. The segment in which they discussed how addiction works and why it is so hard to escape was quite interesting. The timing of my watching that episode was bizarre, though. The recent events with my friend and this discussion has had me thinking a lot about this topic that would otherwise be far off my radar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rollracer View Post
    i've been 8 years suffering bright,very bright pain in the back.i'm plagued by spondylosis. never ever i took PK's during all those years. on any day,my pelvis could lock up , then was staying as is for weeks,not able to support my upper body,pain was litterally killing my ability to only stand up.

    then,in 2017 ,after years of research ,i met a surgeon ,a specialist of such case like what i have. since i had to wait on the waiting list for a year, he asked me if i wanted the pain killer because he sensored i wasn't able anymore to support mentally the pain associated to my condition ; i decided it was time for a relief.had enough of the intempestive pelvis lock ups, and the bright sharp like a knife pain.

    now,after 8 months on those pain killers, i'm addicted, BUT i still haven't suffered from the usual lock up of the pelvis,no more walking bent forward like a 100 years old man , because i can't strech my spine up. i think i took the right decision in the wait for the surgery.

    my point being that, in some specific cases, the addiction on such meds like oxycodon has real roots. roots hooked on a real medical condition : you take the pills,and then,10 minutes later you feel good .; in my case, i feel like i don't have this spondylosis condition. it does some magics ,really. so, you take the pills,all is suddenly fine,you have no pain anymore.

    what do you think is happening in the back of your mind,uncounciously?

    well.......of course you then want more, you don't skip just one pill , you then depend on it to keep goin like before,painfree. slowly the addiction takes place in your mind, then in your body; as example,if i skip my dose, i start to feel cold. my blood is cooling. it feels very bad. the pain get back to elect my body as its home again.



    so,what? yep,you swallow your pill without questionning the habit.

    and guess what? if i had to answer my doctor question about if i wanted some painkiller in the wait for my surgery, i would say YESYESYES again,even knowing i'm gonna have to go htrough some kind of hurtfull desintox.

    i had a choice,a crucial choice to make : invalidating pain,or a pain free waiting time,which allowed me to keep working at the range, to keep living like a normal person.bicycling, gardening, smiling at life,taking care of my GF ()......such things i was nearly not able to do anymore , a condition that was slowly killing me mentally.
    I understand what youíre going through. I had a ruptured disc, stenosis, and spondylosis. The pain started at my hip and ran down to my calf. It felt like someone was cutting into my leg with a chainsaw. Nerve pain is unlike muscle and joint pain. The pain was so bad that I wound up in a wheelchair two weeks before surgery. My surgeon insists that if you only take the oxycodon for pain, that you will have an easier time getting off. I took large doses of pain killers from November through February. It took five days to go from 5-6 pills a day to one or two. If you are mentally determined to get off of the pills, as I know you will be, it wonít be that hard to get off.
    Iím still having pain down my leg, but itís nothing like before the surgery. The strange thing is that I have pains now that I didnít have before surgery. My sacroiliac on both sides and my right hip are extremely sore. The pain started right after one of my PT visits. Of course when I questioned my therapist, his response was that he didnít do it. When I questioned my surgeon and his physicianís assistant about the pains, they both said itís unrelated to the surgery. When I checked online, it seems like many people experienced the same thing as I have. Iím not looking to sue anyone, I just want to know whatís causing the pain and what I can do to eliviate it or prevent it. Youíre having your surgery done anteriorly which will make recovery much easier. Your surgeon wonít have to slice and spread the muscles in your back with a protractor. I think thatís whatís causing my pains. I had a laminectomy and fusion on C 3,4,5 and it was done anteriorly. There was almost no surgical pain at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quicksticks View Post
    I understand what you’re going through. I had a ruptured disc, stenosis, and spondylosis. The pain started at my hip and ran down to my calf. It felt like someone was cutting into my leg with a chainsaw. Nerve pain is unlike muscle and joint pain. The pain was so bad that I wound up in a wheelchair two weeks before surgery. My surgeon insists that if you only take the oxycodon for pain, that you will have an easier time getting off. I took large doses of pain killers from November through February. It took five days to go from 5-6 pills a day to one or two. If you are mentally determined to get off of the pills, as I know you will be, it won’t be that hard to get off.
    I’m still having pain down my leg, but it’s nothing like before the surgery. The strange thing is that I have pains now that I didn’t have before surgery. My sacroiliac on both sides and my right hip are extremely sore. The pain started right after one of my PT visits. Of course when I questioned my therapist, his response was that he didn’t do it. When I questioned my surgeon and his physician’s assistant about the pains, they both said it’s unrelated to the surgery. When I checked online, it seems like many people experienced the same thing as I have. I’m not looking to sue anyone, I just want to know what’s causing the pain and what I can do to eliviate it or prevent it. You’re having your surgery done anteriorly which will make recovery much easier. Your surgeon won’t have to slice and spread the muscles in your back with a protractor. I think that’s what’s causing my pains. I had a laminectomy and fusion on C 3,4,5 and it was done anteriorly. There was almost no surgical pain at all.


    got my right side sacro illiaque joint fused in 2017,got no post surgery surprizes to date ; while i'm a little anxious about the up and coming '''big one'''' where he will replace 2 discs with some titanium implants + fusion of S1 L5 together.yep,anxious. i don't want to get off the surgery with ''new'''' problems . surgeons stated,nearly sweared that i will be left with 0 limitations and no secondary indesirable side effects,but we all know that there's no written guarantee about how you will exit from such surgery to the spine. however, when i recalculate and recalculate again this last '''shot''' that will be performed on me, i know i have no choice than facing it,because otherwise, it's a wheel chair that is waiting for me inside the next 5 to 7 years. to lessen my stress about the issue for me, he showed me some testimony done by a kayak world champion and a female crossfit top gun who got the exact same procedure than the one i will get. they're still on top of their game ,which to me IS reassuring.

    my years as superbike competitor were thrilling and rewarding . but it certainly took its toll on me and my bones.


    as for reducing my intake of oxy , my pharmacist described the way to do it exactly as you said you did yourself: lowering step by step till you only take 2 a day.one in the morning, next stop before sleeping.

    iM presently at 8 a day.those are 10mg .
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    My friend, who I gave the story of in my prior post, just had a very bad day the day before yesterday. He was arraigned on a couple of the charges he is facing & it looks like he will likely end up going to prison for an estimated 4 years. There are still other charges that haven't even posted yet, so it will likely end up being longer. On top of that, since he is a heroin addict they gave him an HIV test & gave him the results yesterday: positive. He always smoked his heroin (was scared of needles) but at the end shot up 3 times. He's not sure if it was one of those 3 times that infected him or a recent experience with a prostitute.

    I'm not making this stuff up - I only wish I was. He may end up dying in prison, having already seen his last day of freedom.

    The moral of the story is a simple & classic one: Don't do drugs. No good will come of it & rarely does it end well. I'm so happy I was never interested in that lifestyle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Foreman View Post
    My friend, who I gave the story of in my prior post, just had a very bad day the day before yesterday. He was arraigned on a couple of the charges he is facing & it looks like he will likely end up going to prison for an estimated 4 years. There are still other charges that haven't even posted yet, so it will likely end up being longer. On top of that, since he is a heroin addict they gave him an HIV test & gave him the results yesterday: positive. He always smoked his heroin (was scared of needles) but at the end shot up 3 times. He's not sure if it was one of those 3 times that infected him or a recent experience with a prostitute.

    I'm not making this stuff up - I only wish I was. He may end up dying in prison, having already seen his last day of freedom.

    The moral of the story is a simple & classic one: Don't do drugs. No good will come of it & rarely does it end well. I'm so happy I was never interested in that lifestyle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumming-4-Life View Post
    Sorry about your friend Mike. That sounds like a nightmare!
    Yes, he really messed everything up. He said I should use him as an example when telling kids that they should never try drugs. I've thought about the comment a lot since he said it. What would it be like if that was the only positive thing you foresaw for the rest of your life? What a waste,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Foreman View Post
    Yes, he really messed everything up. He said I should use him as an example when telling kids that they should never try drugs. I've thought about the comment a lot since he said it. What would it be like if that was the only positive thing you foresaw for the rest of your life? What a waste,
    It's upsetting, because he knows it's bad, but the addiction has a grip on him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Foreman View Post
    Yes, he really messed everything up. He said I should use him as an example when telling kids that they should never try drugs. I've thought about the comment a lot since he said it. What would it be like if that was the only positive thing you foresaw for the rest of your life? What a waste,
    Sadly, for some people epiphanies come too late. I've got a friend who is my age who is now on disability and uses a walker because of a combination of bad choices and not taking care of herself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Foreman View Post
    Yes, he really messed everything up. He said I should use him as an example when telling kids that they should never try drugs. I've thought about the comment a lot since he said it. What would it be like if that was the only positive thing you foresaw for the rest of your life? What a waste,
    Mike, I’m really sorry for what you’re going through. I know it must be very hard for you, but none of this is your fault. Your friend made repeated bad choices and it caught up with him. Now he has to deal with the consequences of his actions. You need to share his story. You can’t help your friend, but you might be able to help others.
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    So my little sister came home from the hospital Friday. She is on drugs that she had before the hospital stay and is smoking again (after 3 weeks she could have detoxed). I met with her and my almost 92 year old mother for dinner yesterday. After being on 15 liters of oxygen and them working her down to 5 L, she was out with no oxygen yesterday. I am positive she is still drinking as well but I don't think she has gotten totally drunk yet. She is minimizing her gastric ulcer and saying it didn't bleed that much.


    In AA we say that some have to die so the rest of us can live. We need to be reminded how bad it was and how bad it can get. She is dying defending her disease.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nova View Post
    So my little sister came home from the hospital Friday. She is on drugs that she had before the hospital stay and is smoking again (after 3 weeks she could have detoxed). I met with her and my almost 92 year old mother for dinner yesterday. After being on 15 liters of oxygen and them working her down to 5 L, she was out with no oxygen yesterday. I am positive she is still drinking as well but I don't think she has gotten totally drunk yet. She is minimizing her gastric ulcer and saying it didn't bleed that much.


    In AA we say that some have to die so the rest of us can live. We need to be reminded how bad it was and how bad it can get. She is dying defending her disease.
    that is the choice she made for herself, and she perfectly knows where it slowly drives to. the important thing is being honest with yourself. once you are perfectly aware of what the choices made will brings, then you must live happy with it. otherwise, if happyness isn't at the rendez vous, you clearly made the wrong choices. this can be reversed at any time, it's never too late.
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    Men, it is certainly sobering reading of health issues affecting you and those close to you. In the last 3 1/2 months both of my fathers parents have passed away, firstly my nan at 82 who had cancer. A tiny lady with a big heart and determination who never complained. Pop was an old walrus (87) and he seemed fine, then had a heart attack. Might have just been his time but you wonder how much losing a lifelong partner affects people sometimes. Such events bring family together of course, and I met some relations who have issues like what you are talking about. Sad to see but a reality that touches many of us.

    I also recently had a FB friend request from my first employer who I haven't seen in about 20 years, which surprised me. Looking a little into his contacts I found out that one of his daughters was a victim of an alleged murder suicide a few months ago. Another sobering moment, as I do remember her as a teenager.

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