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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumming-4-Life View Post
    do you think it's reasonable to think your kit will be of a similar caliber to a kit made by one of the greatest drum builders of all time... after practicing his craft for decades?
    Drums are not exactly complicated pieces of equipment, there are only so many quantitative metrics to perfect...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feenix View Post
    Drums are not exactly complicated pieces of equipment, there are only so many quantitative metrics to perfect...
    exactly. There are lots of things you can do to make them look all purdy but in the end, they are wooden cylinders. As long as everything is straight, square and true, it should work out. Of course there's things that will change and the sound like thickness of the shell and bearing edges and whatnot but in the end, there's only so many ways to make a wooden cylinder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feenix View Post
    Drums are not exactly complicated pieces of equipment, there are only so many quantitative metrics to perfect...
    If you ever get into modifying drums, or working with custom drums, you will see just how complicated drums can be. You'd think hardware, shells, and heads would be standardized, but none of it is. If you're building more than one instrument, you have to know exactly what hardware you plan to use, because all of it is different.

    A drum, once built and assembled correctly, may appear to be simple, but building your own from scratch is not simple. You just read Jeff state that he couldn't build steam bent shells in his garage without a large expense (and learning curve as well), so it's not simple. You've also seen all of the issues Jeff has experienced with tools needed to build his stave shells.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumming-4-Life View Post
    If you ever get into modifying drums, or working with custom drums, you will see just how complicated drums can be. You'd think hardware, shells, and heads would be standardized, but none of it is. If you're building more than one instrument, you have to know exactly what hardware you plan to use, because all of it is different.

    A drum, once built and assembled correctly, may appear to be simple, but building your own from scratch is not simple. You just read Jeff state that he couldn't build steam bent shells in his garage without a large expense (and learning curve as well), so it's not simple. You've also seen all of the issues Jeff has experienced with tools needed to build his stave shells.
    two points I want to make.

    1.) there's a reason almost no one makes steam-bent, one-piece shells.... because it's difficult and costly. No major manufacturer does it because it requires so much hands-on and man hours to do, not to mention specialty equipment. Ply shells are the standard because they are the most cost-effective AND sound great.

    2.) I have had issues getting things where I want them but it hasn't been an issue with my gear, my gear works great. It's just not the optimal gear for completing this kind of project. I've made it work and had to buy some more specialty tools (that I could afford) along the way, but it was likely stuff I'd buy at some point anyway. If I was in a fully outfitted wood shop, it would have been WAY easier, but I'm one guy, in my garage working with limited funds.

    But the point is to build a high end kit with what I have and what I can afford. Anyone with money can get exactly what they want if they are willing to pay for it. You could commission a machine shop to create perfect, 1/4" thin shells out of single blocks of wood but it would cost a mint, and you have no idea what kind of blemishes are hiding in the wood until you finish machining it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumming-4-Life View Post
    If you ever get into modifying drums, or working with custom drums, you will see just how complicated drums can be.
    I've done my fair share of replacing stock hardware. Admittedly, not to your extent. I've also converted toms into snare drums and refinished some drums as necessary. I think I've gleaned enough from those experiences to know that finding compatible hardware and assembling the drum isn't the hard part. Maybe costly, but certainly not as labour- or skill-intensive as shell building (of any sort). That being said, finding the snare wire style I wanted for a 12" drum was quite difficult.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drumming-4-Life View Post
    A drum, once built and assembled correctly, may appear to be simple, but building your own from scratch is not simple. You just read Jeff state that he couldn't build steam bent shells in his garage without a large expense (and learning curve as well), so it's not simple. You've also seen all of the issues Jeff has experienced with tools needed to build his stave shells.
    Except I'm not talking about steam-bent shells (maybe y'all were before I got here?). I'm talking stave shells, because that's what this thread is about. Jeff's shells look good, on par with the likes of any commercial stave builder. Honestly, send him some Jarrah and I wouldn't be surprised if you end up with a Brady in return *le gasp*

    Stave shells employ little more than basic woodworking skills. Some tools make this vastly easier and faster. These are generally employed by commercial operations. Not every hobby woodshop is going to have those tools, but usually there is something that can be used in their place with a few more headaches. This doesn't necessarily lower the quality of the finished product, it just takes more time and caution to get it done right. I think that was Jeff point two?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feenix View Post
    Not every hobby woodshop is going to have those tools, but usually there is something that can be used in their place with a few more headaches. This doesn't necessarily lower the quality of the finished product, it just takes more time and caution to get it done right. I think that was Jeff point two?
    This is spot on, from what I've heard from Jeff through this process. Lots of conversations have centred around "if I had [specific tool], i could have done it this much easier and faster way. But because this is what I have, I've had to do it this other way, with more care and attention to get it right." Basically.


    Considering what Jeff is working with in his garage, these drums look amazing.

    Actually, that's doing a disservice to him to put that "considering...." caveat at the beginning.

    These drums are looking amazing......period.

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    I've been doing some research on bearing edges, and I think I'm going to try an experiment with my 14x5.5 walnut snare. I'm going to recut the bearing edges so that the outside is more rounded, with a 45 degree inside cut. This is a more 'vintage' style edge, but also called the "soniclear" edge by Mapex, as well as other things by other builders.

    I might have the opportunity to clear out the garage a bit in the next few weeks, so we'll see. The point is to eliminate some of the high-end overtones and ring, which the new edge with help control. The theory is that a rounded outer edge seats the head better, putting more vibration into the shell and focusing the tone.

    Re-cutting edges is really a simple procedure so I'll be interested in the results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by space jeff View Post
    I've been doing some research on bearing edges, and I think I'm going to try an experiment with my 14x5.5 walnut snare. I'm going to recut the bearing edges so that the outside is more rounded, with a 45 degree inside cut. This is a more 'vintage' style edge, but also called the "soniclear" edge by Mapex, as well as other things by other builders.

    I might have the opportunity to clear out the garage a bit in the next few weeks, so we'll see. The point is to eliminate some of the high-end overtones and ring, which the new edge with help control. The theory is that a rounded outer edge seats the head better, putting more vibration into the shell and focusing the tone.

    Re-cutting edges is really a simple procedure so I'll be interested in the results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by space jeff View Post
    I've been doing some research on bearing edges, and I think I'm going to try an experiment with my 14x5.5 walnut snare. I'm going to recut the bearing edges so that the outside is more rounded, with a 45 degree inside cut. This is a more 'vintage' style edge, but also called the "soniclear" edge by Mapex, as well as other things by other builders.

    I might have the opportunity to clear out the garage a bit in the next few weeks, so we'll see. The point is to eliminate some of the high-end overtones and ring, which the new edge with help control. The theory is that a rounded outer edge seats the head better, putting more vibration into the shell and focusing the tone.

    Re-cutting edges is really a simple procedure so I'll be interested in the results.
    I recently picked up a mapex armory snare with the soniclear edges and it is SUPER easy to tune and it has a huge range. I can tune my drum pretty much just past finger tight and get a decent sound out of it and all the way up to like marching snare tight and it sounded great anywhere in between.

    have fun with the experimentation.

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    Looking forward to hearing about the results. And of course, the photos.

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    so I got set up in the garage and re-cut the bearing edges on my walnut snare. I got a little more aggressive than I intended, but I think it will make a big difference.

    I took the heads and hoops off and used a 1/4" roundover bit on the outside and re-cut a 45 degree on the inside so that there was a tiny plateau. This should give the head more contact and I'm anxious to get it reassembled and see what it sounds like, which is up next.
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    Dose some nice edges!

    I thought about doing the same and do some comparisons.
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