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    Question Bearing Edges on Masters Kits?

    Hey I was Just wondering what the bearing edges are on Masters Kits. As I recall they are 45s on the toms with either a full round or 45 rounded on bass drums. Thanks!
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    45 degree cut with a slight 45 back cut near the edge. I read some of your posts about getting a new kit. Are you thinking about a Masters?

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    Also toms, floor toms, kicks have the same edges. There are NO 45 round overs or fullly rounded edges on any of the drums on Masters kits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jutt8 View Post
    45 degree cut with a slight 45 back cut near the edge. I read some of your posts about getting a new kit. Are you thinking about a Masters?
    No, I have been saving up excessive amounts of money for a Masterworks. I like the Masters sound (thats why I want to have the same bearing edges), but I want a more open sound with more attack (thus I will be getting superhoops and STL lugs). I also Just LOVE the sound of Simon Phillip's Bubinga/Maple shells, so I am hoping they will put two plies of Bubinga on the inside, four plies of Maple on the outside. I am getting fusion sizes since I like the feel of fusion sizes better, I figured Bubinga would help me regain some depth in the sound and give me that extra attack I want. That is what its known for after all. What do you think?
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    i think that sounds pretty **** good !


    i personally would maybe only have 3plies of Maple, because i'm not a a huge fan of how thick Pearls drums/plies are . but on the other hand it may be perfect since you're putting bubinga in the center it could benefit from the extra projection of thicker drums... but then again thats just more maple... aaah iidk, best of luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TVTjoey View Post
    i think that sounds pretty **** good !


    i personally would maybe only have 3plies of Maple, because i'm not a a huge fan of how thick Pearls drums/plies are . but on the other hand it may be perfect since you're putting bubinga in the center it could benefit from the extra projection of thicker drums... but then again thats just more maple... aaah iidk, best of luck!
    Agreed. With Bubinga on the inside, a Medium Thick shell (6 ply) is my best bet to bring out the characteristics of both woods. Plus I don't think they will offer me a 5 ply (I'm bending the rules as it is by getting Bubinga on the inside).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummer freak 16 View Post
    No, I have been saving up excessive amounts of money for a Masterworks. I like the Masters sound (thats why I want to have the same bearing edges), but I want a more open sound with more attack (thus I will be getting superhoops and STL lugs). I also Just LOVE the sound of Simon Phillip's Bubinga/Maple shells, so I am hoping they will put two plies of Bubinga on the inside, four plies of Maple on the outside. I am getting fusion sizes since I like the feel of fusion sizes better, I figured Bubinga would help me regain some depth in the sound and give me that extra attack I want. That is what its known for after all. What do you think?
    Simon's drums do sound great. I actually like the sound of his all maple Green Starclassic kit better than his 30th anniversary kit based on what I've heard.

    Here are some thoughts. Pearl and Tama construct shells differently and use different thicknesses for the plies, so I don't think the comparison is apples to apples, but I know what you're intentions are. Tama has historically thinner shells than Pearl and you have to be aware that thickness plays a big part in the sound. My point is that watching a Tama video of Simon's kit will not be a good comparison if you're going to buy a Pearl MW and think it will sound like that. That is my opinion only. I actually like the little thicker shell myself, but it's all up to the individual.

    In terms of your shell configuration, it's a tough call. I asked Todd Sucherman if he heard a difference when comparing his original mahogany/maple MW and his newer maple MW with bubinga on the inside of the shell. He said the bubinga was just for aesthetics more than anything and that he really didn't think there was much of a difference if any in terms of sound. He also mentioned that he felt the bearing edge type played a big part in the different sound.

    I think all of the big drum companies have pretty much tried almost every combination of hybrid kits by up to this point since it's been the big rage as of late. I believe that through R&D that only the best sounding combo's get released to the public. Much of it IS marketing. It raises a red flag to me that bubinga/maple has not been one of the combo's released by anyone that I know of. Why?? Maybe it didn't sound much different than just maple, maybe it sounded worse than just maple---I have no idea. Bubinga/Birch is Tama's big hybrid kit. They claim to have tried all combo's and this was best. Pearl has been doing hybrid kits probably before most other companies. The hybrid kits they released were combo's like birch/basswood (Vision), birch/mahogany (World Series), and maple/mahogany (Session Elite I think), and birch/maple (Reference 8 and 10 inch toms).

    You may have trouble getting Pearl to put bubinga on the inside of your MW shells. Todd is probably the only guy they would do that for, but you never know unless you ask. I personally always thought that the mahogany/maple combo would be very pleasing sounding kit, and I believe Pearl did release a Pearl Session Kit (Elite) at one point that was mahogany/maple that I hear sounded great.

    People that I know that own a Reference series have always said their favorite drum on the kit was the birch/maple combo. Having played a Reference, that combo does sound great!!! So there you go!!! So many choices. If I were you, I would consider birch/maple (Reference like), birch/mahogany (World series), or mahogany/maple (Session Elite I think). I know this is a very hard choice and I'm not trying to confuse you but you did ask : )


    Good luck in your decision---remember Tom Storch, the Masterworks specialist will help you with all of your specs as well if you tell him the sound you are going for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jutt8 View Post
    Simon's drums do sound great. I actually like the sound of his all maple Green Starclassic kit better than his 30th anniversary kit based on what I've heard.

    Here are some thoughts. Pearl and Tama construct shells differently and use different thicknesses for the plies, so I don't think the comparison is apples to apples, but I know what you're intentions are. Tama has historically thinner shells than Pearl and you have to be aware that thickness plays a big part in the sound. My point is that watching a Tama video of Simon's kit will not be a good comparison if you're going to buy a Pearl MW and think it will sound like that. That is my opinion only. I actually like the little thicker shell myself, but it's all up to the individual.

    In terms of your shell configuration, it's a tough call. I asked Todd Sucherman if he heard a difference when comparing his original mahogany/maple MW and his newer maple MW with bubinga on the inside of the shell. He said the bubinga was just for aesthetics more than anything and that he really didn't think there was much of a difference if any in terms of sound. He also mentioned that he felt the bearing edge type played a big part in the different sound.

    I think all of the big drum companies have pretty much tried almost every combination of hybrid kits by up to this point since it's been the big rage as of late. I believe that through R&D that only the best sounding combo's get released to the public. Much of it IS marketing. It raises a red flag to me that bubinga/maple has not been one of the combo's released by anyone that I know of. Why?? Maybe it didn't sound much different than just maple, maybe it sounded worse than just maple---I have no idea. Bubinga/Birch is Tama's big hybrid kit. They claim to have tried all combo's and this was best. Pearl has been doing hybrid kits probably before most other companies. The hybrid kits they released were combo's like birch/basswood (Vision), birch/mahogany (World Series), and maple/mahogany (Session Elite I think), and birch/maple (Reference 8 and 10 inch toms).

    You may have trouble getting Pearl to put bubinga on the inside of your MW shells. Todd is probably the only guy they would do that for, but you never know unless you ask. I personally always thought that the mahogany/maple combo would be very pleasing sounding kit, and I believe Pearl did release a Pearl Session Kit (Elite) at one point that was mahogany/maple that I hear sounded great.

    People that I know that own a Reference series have always said their favorite drum on the kit was the birch/maple combo. Having played a Reference, that combo does sound great!!! So there you go!!! So many choices. If I were you, I would consider birch/maple (Reference like), birch/mahogany (World series), or mahogany/maple (Session Elite I think). I know this is a very hard choice and I'm not trying to confuse you but you did ask : )


    Good luck in your decision---remember Tom Storch, the Masterworks specialist will help you with all of your specs as well if you tell him the sound you are going for.
    I know, I did my research here. The 6 ply Pearl shell is slightly thinner (.5mm thinner) than the Tama Bubinga shell kits. I like the sound of Pearl better than Tama, that Simon Phillips kit was the only kit that really spoke to me out of Tama's lineup. The starclassic B/B sounds good, and I think the placement of the Bubinga on the innermost part of the drum with a more resonant wood like Birch or Maple on the outside of the drum has something to do with it. That having been said, it may sound good, but not as good as Simon's. My Big complaint with Tama kits is that they all sound wet and sometimes even dead. I have never heard a Pearl kit sound that way. I have heard custom made drums from other companies that had Bubinga shells and I absolutely loved them. As for Todd Sucherman, you have to remember that he had eight and ten ply shells on that kit, meaning there is no way that wood choice will make a discernible difference unless all of the plies are made from the same material. On a Medium shelled kit like this with minimal hardware it should have a bigger impact. I have talked with Tom Storch before, in my experience Pearl is willing to try most anything so long as they have the materials and the capacity. Both of which they possess for this particular project.
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    This. Excellent insight and perspective. Pearl long has done the composite shell and it's interesting that their flagship is a composite shell kit. The Session Elite actually was a birch mahogany shell and does sound amazing. Pearl did do a Session with Maple and Mahogany though. I think it was the Session SMX. Not sure. Anyway, great post.

    Simons drums historically have always sounded amazing and very open sounding. Something interesting to note is that both Todd and Simon use clear ambassadors over clear ambassadors. I myself have had this head combo on my reference kit and it was incredible. So two different kits. One composite shell kit and the other Maple. Different shell thickness, Todd's get progressively thicker as they get bigger. Steve Smith also uses this head combo on his SQ2 as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummer freak 16 View Post
    I know, I did my research here. The 6 ply Pearl shell is slightly thinner (.5mm thinner) than the Tama Bubinga shell kits.
    Really???? Which Tama Bubinga kit are you talking about? When comparing those kits to Pearl's 7.5 mm medium shell you'll see that:
    Starclassic bubinga is actually 1.5 mm thinner on the toms/FT and .5 mm thinner on kick
    Starclassic bubinga ELITE is 0.5 mm thinner on toms/FT and 0.5 mm thicker on kick
    Starclassic bubinga omni-tune is 0.5 mm thinner on toms/FT and 0.5 mm thicker on kick

    Therefore, Pearl's shells are thicker on all drums except for the kicks on the buginga elite and omni tune.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spx118 View Post
    This. Excellent insight and perspective. Pearl long has done the composite shell and it's interesting that their flagship is a composite shell kit. The Session Elite actually was a birch mahogany shell and does sound amazing. Pearl did do a Session with Maple and Mahogany though. I think it was the Session SMX. Not sure. Anyway, great post.
    Thanks for correcting me spx118, I think it was Prestige Session Select that was maple/mahogany. If I'm wrong on that let me know : )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jutt8 View Post
    Really???? Which Tama Bubinga kit are you talking about? When comparing those kits to Pearl's 7.5 mm medium shell you'll see that:
    Starclassic bubinga is actually 1.5 mm thinner on the toms/FT and .5 mm thinner on kick
    Starclassic bubinga ELITE is 0.5 mm thinner on toms/FT and 0.5 mm thicker on kick
    Starclassic bubinga omni-tune is 0.5 mm thinner on toms/FT and 0.5 mm thicker on kick

    Therefore, Pearl's shells are thicker on all drums except for the kicks on the buginga elite and omni tune.
    The Starclassic Bubinga is an 8 ply kit. Tama uses 1mm plies, making an 8mm thick shell compared to Pearl's 7.5mm 6 ply. There isn't a gigantic difference other than maybe a little more resonance and a little less glue regardless of which one of us is right.
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