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[2 basses4life]

Guys-
Just got this beautiful Zildjian china prototype 20" (based on the K line), very thin trashy and complex-
This cymbal has been selected by Mama's Music Store (my local store) team in the Zildjian factory, i'm so happy, it sounds beautiful!

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mirkko , its profile reminds me of the k series extra dry 18 ...minus the holes , and the dryness ..lol

[2 basses4life]

One man's treasure is another man's trash.

There's no denying the Z Custom's are not the most "musical" of cymbals - the A Custom's are far more versatile for sure. However, the Z's are much better suited to what I want/need from a hi hat: they're lower pitched, which makes them less sharp and brash sounding than the A Custom's, and they're loud. Great for that semi-open sloshy/sizzle when you're pounding away at the double bass. The A Custom's were very articulate, there's no doubt about it, but when used like that I found they were too brash for my liking

EDIT - I just noticed the hi hats in your picture are Dyno Beats, not the Z Custom's I just got. Different ball game. Dyno Beats are like dustbin lids - huge, powerful, stupidly loud, dustbin lids (that's trash can lids to our yonder-Atlantic friends). They're good for one thing and one thing only - beating the crap out of either semi-open of with the clutch dropped. And for that they're perfect. The other thing with Dyno's is there's good and bad ones. I've played three pairs - one belonged to a guy who's kit I was using at a gig, and they were perfect: if I could have bought them I'd have given him cash there and then. The second pair were the ones I ordered brand new very shortly after playing the first pair, and they sucked. Terrible. Just sounded dead and dull. The third pair are the ones I own, which I found tucked away at the back of the cymbal room of a drum shop I worked in at the turn of the century. They're superb - they're bright, alive, and have a "zing" to them - just like the first pair I fell in love with. I've had those for nearly 20 years now.

I used to have them my main left side hats (you can see them here), but I can't say I advise doing so. I copied Lars, who still uses them as his now only-pair or hats (used to have two pairs) when playing live, and they still sound great for that. But any kind of articulate work, forget about it. That's kinda why I got the remote hi hat - I was so used to having the Dyno's on the left as main hats, I wanted to get more out of the New Beat's that had been relegated to the right side on a static closed-hat attachment, so I switched to a remote hi-hat set up so I could use it as a regular hi hat.

oh man i miss my original dyno beats
the new ones are not nearly as thick .. but do the job (sigh) the dynos of yor, though were just brutally loud. just shear, unadulterated, white noise when open..it was the sonic equivilent of feeling the burn .. then getting hooked that burn
i used to have to use my 40s k bottom hat in the mix to subdue the sound for some gigs ..
they were also great for unexpected things though ..like gospel or reggae ... cause they had a chic sound that could crack windshields .. lol

[Mirkko DeMaio]

Looks great! Possible sound sample Mirkko?

Since I've just changed something on my right side of the kit, I've done a quick story video on my instagram plaeyd that cymbal too, check it out

https://www.instagram.com/mirkkodemaio

[Mirkko DeMaio]

mirkko , its profile reminds me of the k series extra dry 18 ...minus the holes , and the dryness ..lol

you'r totally right-, it's actually very loud

[Thrush]

oh man i miss my original dyno beats
the new ones are not nearly as thick .. but do the job (sigh) the dynos of yor, though were just brutally loud. just shear, unadulterated, white noise when open..it was the sonic equivilent of feeling the burn .. then getting hooked that burn
i used to have to use my 40s k bottom hat in the mix to subdue the sound for some gigs ..
they were also great for unexpected things though ..like gospel or reggae ... cause they had a chic sound that could crack windshields .. lol

I didn't know the new ones weren't as heavy. But you're right - the older ones (or at least, the ones I have) are spot on for loud, brash, no-apologies noise when played loose/open, and are the perfect compliment to thundering away on double bass. Ideally with a snare that will take your head off.

They do have a great chic, but I found the problem with them, for that, is that they're so thick there's no flex in them, so they don't close up as nicely with the pedal as thinner hi hat cymbals. Which is probably why the A/Z and K/Z combo's worked so well - thinner top cymbal and flex on the bottom one better and close up nicer. I've had my Dyno's pairs with my New Beats in the past, worked very well. I'm going to try them with the Z Custom hats I just got, as the top and bottom on those are different weights, so I can try out different combo's amongst the three pairs (Dynos, Z Customs, New Beats)

[TMdrums]

Since I've just changed something on my right side of the kit, I've done a quick story video on my instagram plaeyd that cymbal too, check it out

https://www.instagram.com/mirkkodemaio

Thanks for sharing! I think that China's a keeper! By the way, I checked out your "Graveheart" video on YouTube. Excellent drumming! Really enjoyed that!

[Mirkko DeMaio]

Thanks for sharing! I think that China's a keeper! By the way, I checked out your "Graveheart" video on YouTube. Excellent drumming! Really enjoyed that!

Thank you, that was a long time a go

[2 basses4life]

I didn't know the new ones weren't as heavy. But you're right - the older ones (or at least, the ones I have) are spot on for loud, brash, no-apologies noise when played loose/open, and are the perfect compliment to thundering away on double bass. Ideally with a snare that will take your head off.

They do have a great chic, but I found the problem with them, for that, is that they're so thick there's no flex in them, so they don't close up as nicely with the pedal as thinner hi hat cymbals. Which is probably why the A/Z and K/Z combo's worked so well - thinner top cymbal and flex on the bottom one better and close up nicer. I've had my Dyno's pairs with my New Beats in the past, worked very well. I'm going to try them with the Z Custom hats I just got, as the top and bottom on those are different weights, so I can try out different combo's amongst the three pairs (Dynos, Z Customs, New Beats)

actually when i mixed them up ...the z dynos were the top hats lol. putting a thinner bottom seemed to tame the beasts for me ...loli'm currently running dyno beat s on tops with a z custom master sound bottom ...im thinking about an a custom mastersound bottom next

[Thrush]

Interesting combo

[2 basses4life]

thanks i like the brashness of the dyno beats , but different types of music require a little more control , thats what im going for

[Drumming-4-Life]

Chris from Drums on Sale strikes again! He resurrected this older, dirty A Custom Ping Ride. It shines like a mirror, and sounds heavenly. I'm ready to play Subdivisions now haha (I know Peart used a 22" Ping Ride, but this is pretty close).

[TMdrums]

Chris from Drums on Sale strikes again! He resurrected this older, dirty A Custom Ping Ride. It shines like a mirror, and sounds heavenly. I'm ready to play Subdivisions now haha (I know Peart used a 22" Ping Ride, but this is pretty close).

Wow, that looks excellent! Funny thing, in pursuit of a ride with more ping, I have become very interested in the A Custom Ping Ride and really like the sound. This may sound crazy, but like my other two rides, I really prefer the 21 inch diameters. To me, that size gives a little more then the 20 and the 1 inch smaller then the 22 gives me better cymbal placement on the kit. If Zildjian makes a 21" A Custom Ping Ride in the future, I'll be purchasing one. Regardless, great looking. Ride you have there Matt.