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    Default could someone explain paiste low-high quality?

    I have a bit of knowledge about sabian/zildjian cymbals and their low-end and high end ones, but Paiste I don't. could someone explain the numbering to me, and what the high end ones are? I know the 2oo2's and the black label ones are good, but where does everything fit on the hierarchy?

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    If you check their website, they list their cymbals in order via the 'products' tab, from lowest to highest (lowest being the bottom line).

    Signature
    Twenty
    2002
    Rude
    Alpha
    Giant Beat
    PST5
    PST3
    101 Brass

    The Sig, Twenty, 2002 and Rude are all 'pro' cymbals. Alpha being the more inter and PST's and 101's being the starter cymbals, etc.
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    thanks for the info! what about the numbered ones? I've seen 502,402,302, etc. where do they fit on the line?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Healthie View Post
    thanks for the info! what about the numbered ones? I've seen 502,402,302, etc. where do they fit on the line?
    Mostly discontinued but those were budget cymbals similar to the PST 3, 5 etc.. lower quality alloy.

    I actually bought a 502 china way back in the day (90's for the win) and still have and use it. Might not be the GREATEST thing in the world but it's held up and I like the sound so...

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    Is it the same for Sabian's site as well?
    AAX
    HHX
    AA
    HH
    x's20
    vault
    Paragon
    APX
    B8pro
    B8
    SBr

    And Zildjian's?
    K custom
    K Zildjian
    A Custom
    Avedis Zildjian
    Z3
    fx
    pitch black
    ZHT
    ZXT
    ZBT

    Sorry if im high-jacking your thread, i'm just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minime View Post
    Is it the same for Sabian's site as well?
    AAX
    HHX
    AA
    HH
    x's20
    vault
    Paragon
    APX
    B8pro
    B8
    SBr

    And Zildjian's?
    K custom
    K Zildjian
    A Custom
    Avedis Zildjian
    Z3
    fx
    pitch black
    ZHT
    ZXT
    ZBT

    Sorry if im high-jacking your thread, i'm just curious.
    Zildjian Basically yes. Those are DEFINITELY in order of price highest to lowest at least.

    Sabian, AA=AAX in price, HH=HHX in price, vault and paragon are their own thing as their are signature cymbals and sounds, otherwise those are in order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minime View Post
    Is it the same for Sabian's site as well?
    AAX
    HHX
    AA
    HH
    x's20
    vault
    Paragon
    APX
    B8pro
    B8
    SBr

    And Zildjian's?
    K custom
    K Zildjian
    A Custom
    Avedis Zildjian
    Z3
    fx
    pitch black
    ZHT
    ZXT
    ZBT

    Sorry if im high-jacking your thread, i'm just curious.
    Not sure about Zildjian, but the Sabian looks that way (although Paragon, Vault and APX should be above XS20). HHX and AAX are the top, along with AA and HH.

    XS20's are Sabian's 'inter' level with the Solar, B8Pro and B8 being the starter.
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    This is largely correct but Giant Beats are pro level cymbals according to Paiste and Alphas are below it.

    Essentially:
    Signatures are made of Paiste Sig Alloy and encompass Signature, Dark Energy and Traditional lines and are most expensive.

    Twenty series are B20 cymbals where the blanks are cast made in Turkey and they are finished by Paiste

    2002s, Giant Beats and Rudes are all B8 cymbals made from the same alloy with different finishing processes, weights, etc.

    All the above are hand made in Switzerland.

    Alphas are the same alloy but computer made in Germany. And the others listed following down.

    Anthing else you might see is discontinued.

    Here's a brief list:
    Pro- 3000, 2000, Sound Formula, Sound Creation, Formula 602

    Intermediate- 1000, Old Alpha, 505, 404, 502, Ludwig/Paiste Standard

    There are many others, check out the Paiste Wiki for all the info you need.

    http://www.paiste-only.com/paistewik...itle=Main_Page

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    Thanks everyone!

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    Signature Giant Beat Twenty 2002 Rude

    Alpha

    PST5

    PST3

    101 Brass


    i think that is what the line up looks like today. the sigs,GB's, twenties, 2002's and rudes are all on the same level.
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    Paiste doesn't know their own cymbals. 2002s are the best. Ever.

    I don't like the word 'hierarchy' when referring to cymbal lines. All the cymbal companies have, for the most part, two tiers of cymbals: student and professional. While manufacturing methods differ, and the two tiers can be primarily identified by their pricing.


    With Paiste, the two tiers look roughly like this:

    Professional: 2002, Giant Beat, RUDE, Signature, Signature Dark Energy, Signature Traditional, and Twenty

    Student: 101 Brass, PST3, and PST5

    The Alphas have been somewhat ambiguous because of Paiste trying to market them as the 'everycymbal.' I like them though and I tend to classify them among the professional series.
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    Yep, Giant Beats are certainly pro.

    200 and 400 would be beginner lines, 505 might be considered higher/intermediate, many people I know say they sound very very good for the cash, and rather similar to the 2oo2 range.

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