Diecast Hoops on a Supraphonic

[Fly]

A 66 Supra just came on ebay with Diecast hoops. What would this sound like? I'm curious because I've never seen DC hoops on Supras before. I don't know why you'd want to tamper with an such an amazing sounding snare except for maybe trying different heads. Thoughts?

[44Ronin]

I don't know why you'd want to tamper with an such an amazing sounding snare except for maybe trying different heads. Thoughts?

Uh I dont see why not? Changing hoops is not tampering with the drum at all. If you dont like it , you simply switch out hoops again.

[Fly]

Have you heard diecast on a Supra? This is feedback I'm looking for.

[Micah Korson]

It would be much dryer and concentrated. Die cast hoops drown out some of the ring and tone. It would be dry and probably "snary" sounding. Supraphonics sound best with 2.3 mm triple flanged hoops. It's primarily overkill for die cats on a supraphonic...Due to the fact it's an aluminum alloy which is dry already.

[Fly]

Thanks man, that's the feedback I'm looking for.

[Micah Korson]

Thanks man, that's the feedback I'm looking for.

No problem.

[tomdrum]

i wouldn't use a die cast on that drum unless you are going for a really tight tuning - one advantage of diecast is their stability. I use a 1974 Ludwig 402 and have had a Slingerland rim shot top hoop on it for over 20 years. It makes a surprising sonic difference compared to the standard Ludwig hoop. These are marketed as "stick saver" hoops and are pretty inexpensive from drum parts dealers online. Really cool for players that do a lot of sticking stuff on the snare.

[BrianC]

Gonna bring this back from the dead.

Alex Van Halen's supra has die cast hoops on it. His snare is cranked so high it helps with tuning so that's probably the motive. It also dries it up a bit more, I think its a great sound.

[dale w miller]

Gonna bring this back from the dead.

Alex Van Halen's supra has die cast hoops on it. His snare is cranked so high it helps with tuning so that's probably the motive. It also dries it up a bit more, I think its a great sound.

Hasn’t it been told that AVH’s snare sound is not from a Supra, not much different than the Juniper Copeland plays or the Slingerland Peart plays?

[Drumpy]

My experience with die-cast hoops is that it’s more easy to tune the snare (or toms) and you have more powerful and crispy rimshots.
I have different snares with die-cast and triple flanged hoops and you hear a little difference between them.

[1ordinary-guy]

Wow, this is an OLD thread! I'll reply to it anyway as I'm also doing this.

I'm a fan of Alex Van Halen's snare drum sound and found the recent Rick Beato Youtube Video "Recreating the Sound: Ep.2 The Alex Van Halen Snare" very interesting and educational. You can see it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crDns9teyzk

I'll say it - I like the sound of Supraphonic LM402 snares better with diecast hoops because I like AVH's snare drum sound. I also love the sound of the Yamaha Recording Custom Aluminum snare which comes with diecast hoops. The downside of diecast hoops on a snare is if you play lots of rimshot back-beats like I do, my wrists don't feel so good after playing any snare with diecast hoops for several hours like a typical gig. I'd like to experiment with some 3.0mm flanged hoops which are almost just as thick. I really like Mapex "Sonic Saver" hoops which I have on my Mapex Black Widow snare which are 3.0mm and have a rolled-inward profile . I think the new Mapex Black Panther 14"x6.5" Atomizer aluminum shell snare sounds amazing with the same hoops.

[pearlreference7101]

I'd like to experiment with some 3.0mm flanged hoops which are almost just as thick.

I have some 3mm hoops on my bronze Sensitone, and I'm kinda conflicted about them. When the drum is cranked high and I play a bunch of rimshots, it honestly feels worse on my wrists (for me, anyways) than when playing die cast rimshots. When tuned medium or low, they feel just fine though. Your mileage may vary, but that's been my experience with them so far.

[1ordinary-guy]

I have some 3mm hoops on my bronze Sensitone, and I'm kinda conflicted about them. When the drum is cranked high and I play a bunch of rimshots, it honestly feels worse on my wrists (for me, anyways) than when playing die cast rimshots. When tuned medium or low, they feel just fine though. Your mileage may vary, but that's been my experience with them so far.

Interesting. What hoops are you using? Are they possibly the 3mm from Drum Factory Direct?

The profile of the Mapex Sonic Saver 3mm hoops is more like the old Slingerland "Stick Saver" but the rollover on the top is wider. Doesn't seem to hurt as much, but I haven't played my Mapex snare for an entire gig to know yet whether it would cause me pain in the wrists. I suspect the wider profile spreads the impact over more of the stick and thus maybe the shock isn't as intense? Just a theory.

For what its worth, I mostly use ProMark "Todd Sucherman Signature" maple sticks. Basically its a 5B profile with acorn style tip. They're softer than hickory and dent pretty easily, but they really last for me. I use Regal Tip 5A narrow profle (i think they renamed these "Jazz") for lighter volume situations but obviously don't hit as hard with those.