Hi-Hat - closed vs open gain settings

[Bob Sabellico]

No Problem,

I will make sure your comments get sent to the developers.

[Bob Sabellico]

No Problem,

I will make sure your comments get sent to the developers.

[510man]

Sorry I wasn't clear. I was referring to which HH sample (sound) you assign within the Mimic and not the brand of HH trigger used. Some HH samples are balanced well. Others are not. Sorry for any confusion.

[Bob Sabellico]

Pearl defends it as not an issue in the FB groups and it's a feature that isn't needed. Even stated Roland doesn't provide this feature as a defense (but Yamaha does!!). They advise edits can be made to compression and other settings to improve it and that, perhaps, people don't play correctly and are thus causing a problem that isn't there. SMH...

I've found it depends on the HH you use. Some do this imbalance thing badly and others the settings are balanced without issue. So, the engineer was inconsistent between the various HHs. That's okay..........provided there are volume settings to make adjustments, which brings us back to the OP.

Unfortunately, I gave up on Pearl and now use a MIDI cable to another module where the HH adjusts as it should.

Hi,

Your comments will be sent to our developer for consideration.

Please remember that the Mimic supports many trigger options and some of these units were created after the Mimic was introduced.

We haven't received many requests from these manufacturers to include their products in our settings.

That would require them sending samples to our developer to test and create trigger patches.

ATV sent cymbals and a snare for testing and they are moving ahead with trigger settings for these units.

Did you use e/Drumin for your midi interface?

[510man]

Any update on this from Pearl side?

I switched from Zildjian Gen16 cymbals to triggered metal cymbals (Field) and indeed the loudness of opened to closed sounds is kind of ridiculous.

Pearl defends it as not an issue in the FB groups and it's a feature that isn't needed. Even stated Roland doesn't provide this feature as a defense (but Yamaha does!!). They advise edits can be made to compression and other settings to improve it and that, perhaps, people don't play correctly and are thus causing a problem that isn't there. SMH...

I've found it depends on the HH you use. Some do this imbalance thing badly and others the settings are balanced without issue. So, the engineer was inconsistent between the various HHs. That's okay..........provided there are volume settings to make adjustments, which brings us back to the OP.

Unfortunately, I gave up on Pearl and now use a MIDI cable to another module where the HH adjusts as it should.

[Andreas Mueller]

Any update on this from Pearl side?

I switched from Zildjian Gen16 cymbals to triggered metal cymbals (Field) and indeed the loudness of opened to closed sounds is kind of ridicilous.
Can't be that hard to make this configurable in the settings.

I'd love to hear that this will be part of the next software release.

Talking about software releases. Any idea, when the next one is scheduled to be released?

Thanks,
Andreas

[510man]

Circling back on this one. I set the maximum velocity yet again. This time with the intent of getting a setting over 1200. To do that, I had to beat the crap out of the HH with the butt end of the stick. However, with a setting over 1200, the sounds are much more balanced. Open HH sounds are still too loud but it's much improved. That defies all logic. I'd NEVER play the HH that way. Why setting its velocity well beyond what anyone will actually pay results in better dynamic balance between samples is a mystery. Again, not perfect, but a lot better.

Pearl still needs to add this SW adjustment get things right.

[Chrisk]

??? The VH13 is Roland so I'm no sure why we went over to ATV on this HH question. I have an ATV ride on backorder though so we'll jump off that bridge when it arrives.

I did not quoted you, I added reply to others might using ATV, are not build the same as Roland on hihat edge switch.

[510man]

Reminder, using ATV cymbal on the edge articulation don't have much angle to hit compare to Roland, ATV edge is more activated from top of the cymbal, less on the edge angle like Roland, this can create issue while playing. https://youtu.be/nLM4aKrdVW8?t=113 .

??? The VH13 is Roland so I'm no sure why we went over to ATV on this HH question. I have an ATV ride on backorder though so we'll jump off that bridge when it arrives.

[510man]

I'm using a brand new VH13. I've set max velocity several times. Used complete stock settings. This problem became unacceptable. I played with all the settings I can find but no volume setting of the HH samples. If it's here, it's not called out in the manual that I can find. I'm perplex why everyone appears afraid to just say "there's no such adjustment" if that's the answer. Dancing around the question solves nothing.

Your recording is acceptable.Thanks for posting it. Which HHs are you using? If you load different HHs, you'll find the factory setting are more balanced on some than they are on others. So, Pearl is inconsistent within its own programming, which further shows why Pearl needs an adjustment in the SW. It's very shortsighted to think one engineer's idea of how that balance should be is acceptable to all or that the module will respond equally to all pads and all HH controllers, which is how it is advertised. WAY too many variables in there to conclude no adjustment is ever needed. The fact you have a reasonably balanced recording only means it's attainable (a good thing). It doesn't mean that I and others don't have an unacceptable issue nor does it mean Pearl shouldn't have an adjustment in the SW.

I'll continue to work with it but I'm concluding the extremely helpful adjustment the other manufactures have isn't in the Mimic, which is what the OP was looking for and so am I.

[Chrisk]

Reminder, using ATV cymbal on the edge articulation don't have much angle to hit compare to Roland, ATV edge is more activated from top of the cymbal, less on the edge angle like Roland, this can create issue while playing. https://youtu.be/nLM4aKrdVW8?t=113


BTW capture top velocity you should ending having near 900-1280 value, if you are using lower value then the full velocity, you will have shifting dynamic, articulation and volume on all instruments.

[Chrisk]

I know Pearl is monitoring this board. I guess no reply means there is no support in the Mimic to make this critical adjustment.

How bad is it? I'm using a second drum module for HH so I can control the volume settings between samples and get realistic HH. The Mimic sounds are good but they're WAY out of balance. As such, they are unusable to those with a discerning ear.

It's the setting, the volume are all right, if you don't have proper input gain, capture top velocity, hihat control setting, you will get issue, unless your headphone don't have isolation you will hear you stick hit on the trigger rather then a sample.

Here is the proof see below demo, all is balanced using default kit, no tweak on velo mod, no tweak on zone volume, using vh11 hihat, only set input gain, top velocity and HH control calibration will works.

https://soundcloud.com/user-76111509...xOhguDeEup5G9U


Ps: If you want to increase lower velocity level, use dynamic fader from 90 to 80 or 70 and or curve setting.

[510man]

I know Pearl is monitoring this board. I guess no reply means there is no support in the Mimic to make this critical adjustment.

How bad is it? I'm using a second drum module for HH so I can control the volume settings between samples and get realistic HH. The Mimic sounds are good but they're WAY out of balance. As such, they are unusable to those with a discerning ear.

[510man]

Hi,

In your trigger settings choose Hi Hat.

You have adjustment for Zone Volume and Zone Velo Mod.

You should be able to find your desired balance by working with these adjustments.

There aren't enough options in that menu. You have edge and bow adjustments but the the open and closed sound for bow and edge move together. We need to be able to adjust the open bow sound in relation to the closed bow sound and open edge sound in relation to the closed edge sound. I haven't found this in any of the menus. If it's there, please advise. If not, we need this in a firmware update. You can't get to realistic HH without it. Hope it helps.

[ATF-Kevin]

I'm also experiencing the same issue with my hi hat setting closed softer than the open setting on my Redbox module. Anyone else experience this issue with their Redbox module?