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  • R.E.D.box, Velocity from a Cymbal Switch Zone

    For those that don't know a Pearl REDbox can't generate a velocity value from a Cymbal Switch like a Roland or Yamaha module can. Well, I solved this issue. The catch is that you must build your own cymbal trigger for it to work, but when you are done, you will have a true dual zone cymbal with a piezo/switch type trigger (and get velocity from both zones). Let me get some technical stuff out of the way first. I only tested this on an Alesis DM10 module (as I don't own a REDbox), but for those that don't know the REDbox is based on the same hardware as the Alesis DM10. After looking through the manual of the Pearl REDbox, I see no reason why this trigger wouldn't function the same on both the Alesis and Pearl modules.


    Here's the video that I did showing this:

    Alesis DM10, Pearl REDbox Velocity Switch Triggering

    Full details of this can be found on my Hellfiredrums.com website:

    Alesis DM10, Pearl REDbox Velocity Switch Zone

    I was just thinking, This could possibly be used to solve the lack of velocity on the rim triggers with the True Track heads as well.

    Additional Information:

    I tested this with an Alesis Trigger I/O and I'm happy to report that it works great.
    Last edited by HellfireDrums; 10-12-2011, 08:10 PM. Reason: updated Title
    My website:
    Hellfiredrums.com

  • #2
    Send this to Bob Sebelico. Pearl needs to see this.

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    • #3
      Thanks for the suggestion dis330.

      I really thought there would have been more interest in this.
      My website:
      Hellfiredrums.com

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      • #4
        HFD,

        Most guys here do not go as deep into the electronic side as you. I really enjoy your website. Plearl needs to put you on their ePro design team payroll.

        Keep posting here as I read it all.

        Cliff aka dis330

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        • #5
          HFD,
          This is great news! I am use to the yamie cymbals and believe they are the way to go for e cymbals. I will give this a go. What cymbal do you recon to use for it?

          Rob
          Yamaha 8, 10,12,14,16,22, 14X5.5 and 12 X 5 snares ,14 X 5 Ludwig (1964) snare. 13", 14"hats, 6,10,12, 14,16,18, A splashes/crashes, 20' ping ride, 20" A ride, 22' A flat top ride, 22" Z Custom china. Pearl Drum Rack. Yamaha DTX v2 13 piece eKit, Pearl Epro. DW 5000 double pedals.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by RobDrummer View Post
            HFD,
            This is great news! I am use to the yamie cymbals and believe they are the way to go for e cymbals. I will give this a go. What cymbal do you recon to use for it?

            Rob
            I don't think you can use any off the shelf ecymbals for this to work. I tried modding a Roland CY-6 and could not get it to work. I think it has to do with the type of material the switches are made out of on those commercial ecymbals. That is why I had a total DIY ecymbal in that video above. There are many ways to build ecymbals. I know Vdrums.com has many different designs by people posted over there. I hope that helps.
            My website:
            Hellfiredrums.com

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            • #7
              HFD,

              So does that mean you can't butcher a commercial cymbal. So even the piezo is different? What I mean is can I grab a Roland cymbal, gut it, an replace it with DIY switches?
              Yamaha 8, 10,12,14,16,22, 14X5.5 and 12 X 5 snares ,14 X 5 Ludwig (1964) snare. 13", 14"hats, 6,10,12, 14,16,18, A splashes/crashes, 20' ping ride, 20" A ride, 22' A flat top ride, 22" Z Custom china. Pearl Drum Rack. Yamaha DTX v2 13 piece eKit, Pearl Epro. DW 5000 double pedals.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by RobDrummer View Post
                HFD,

                So does that mean you can't butcher a commercial cymbal. So even the piezo is different? What I mean is can I grab a Roland cymbal, gut it, an replace it with DIY switches?
                Has nothing to do with the piezo. As I stated above, it has to do with the commercial material used for the switches. If you want to try modding a Roland cymbal, have at it. That seems like a costly experiment to me. I can't guarantee it will work.

                The switches would need to be changes out and the cymbal would need to be rewired. Taking apart a commercial cymbal is not always easy. It depends on which cymbal you have. As an example, a Roland CY-6 is glued together at the edge switch. It isn't coming apart. Good luck DIY'ing switches that will fix inside a commercial cymbal. As I stated above, I tried a Roland CY-6. When I say that, I mean I just tried to rewire the cymbals electronics to match my wiring diagram. I figured, it already has a switch, so why shouldn't work (which is what I assume you are saying to yourself). I had no problem doing that, but the cymbals switch edge didn't function as I thought it should. Basically, it was not consistent in its triggering. Every other hit wouldn't trigger the edge. Maybe you will have better success then I did. I hope that helps.
                My website:
                Hellfiredrums.com

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