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  • steel5blue
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    Originally posted by quicksticks View Post
    The 6 ply is 7.5 mm and the 4 ply is 5 mm with 5 mm reinforcement rings. I own a 6 ply mcx kit as well as a 4 ply gmtx 4 ply snare (3plies maple and an outer ply of tamo, with maple reinforcement rings). I have played the two snares side by side. They have the same heads. The difference is subtle. You can definitely rock with the 4 ply. The rings will add strength to the shell and focus to the sound.
    +1.
    I have owned, and played un-miked rock shows w/ both MMX and MRX (6ply) kits. The loudness factor was never an issue. The MMXs are plenty loud, maybe slightly more difficult to tune, because of the increased resonance, and -as somebody has pointed out- require less force to sing.
    Just think of all the rockers who play thin-shelled DW kits these days.

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  • quicksticks
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    The 6 ply is 7.5 mm and the 4 ply is 5 mm with 5 mm reinforcement rings. I own a 6 ply mcx kit as well as a 4 ply gmtx 4 ply snare (3plies maple and an outer ply of tamo, with maple reinforcement rings). I have played the two snares side by side. They have the same heads. The difference is subtle. You can definitely rock with the 4 ply. The rings will add strength to the shell and focus to the sound.

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  • RYAN LOWE
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    just to clear things up, if this was mistaken, I am only talking pearl masters shells, 4 ply vs. 6 ply, no other brands.

    I have not seen if the 4 ply is the same thickness as the 6 ply, is it? I do know playing a 6 ply with light wood (poplar export) had very loud volume, that I so enjoyed. It was not as warm as maple, but just as loud. It got me thinking that perhaps a thinner shell may be just as loud, but not as warm, or something similar.

    I guess the bottom line is, I need to try them myself to be 100% sure.

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  • nathanieljobe
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    There's more to consider than just number of plies. Too many folks get caught up in that without considering the thickness of the plies and the kinds of woods as well.

    What's better: 6 thinner plies or 4 thicker ones? Mahagony or birch? Maple? hybrid? And nothing says that a thicker 4-ply and thinner 6-ply are going to come out to the same overall thickness either.

    Thinner plies and less mass actually resonates more freely because its lighter and it takes less energy to get it moving. Heavier drums with more mass move more air and are louder but generally resonate less because it takes more energy to keep them moving.

    Consider your playing style--do you hit hard and like a drum to scream out with a solid fundamental that decays more quickly or are you a lighter hitter who likes to draw out more sublte breaths from the instrument, letting it ring?

    In addition to plies and thickness, think about the various qualities of the woods as well. Some woods are just heavier than others, so you can get away with fewer plies and achieve the same mass as you would with more plies of a lighter wood, if you are willing to accept the musical qualities of the wood itself.

    Personally, I prefer mahagony with thinner shells and fewer plies, but that's just me. Keep on researching to find that right combination, but remember--it is a combination of factors that will give you the sound you want!

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  • SLIPKNOT1
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    Keep in mind, while an MMX has 4 ply shells, it does have reinforcement rings as well. And also try to not to forget that their is no such thing as a "Ply Standard".

    A Pearl 6 ply shell in the Masters line is 7.5mm thick while a Keller or DW 6 ply shell for example is 4.2mm thick. Describing a drum shell by plys means nothing if your talking about multiple brands.

    The thinner the shell, the more it will vibrate. But the volume will be less
    The thicker the shell, the less it will vibrate, but the louder the drum will be. You will hear more attack from the head rather than the tone from the shell. This is why thicker shells are used with most snares and bass drums.

    The MMX is an amazing drum line because it combines the best of both worlds. The thin shells have great tone that is bright but the rings focus the attack much more. So you get a great sound from the drum head as well.

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  • RYAN LOWE
    started a topic 4 ply vs. 6 ply help!

    4 ply vs. 6 ply help!

    Okay, tried the search function, nothing... It may just be me, but it's hard to search for "4 ply vs. 6 ply" as I did; I got nothing. So, sorry to re post, because I do remember seeing this question before.

    Anyway, over the past few months I have had many great offers to buy smoking hot masters kits, in 4 ply MMX. I have only ever owned/played the 6 ply maple, and 6 ply birch. I do know that my last kit was reference specs and in the end did NOT offer me the volume/attack I was after (I assumed mainly due to the edges). Knowing more plys = more volume, I started to think the 4 ply may not work for me. I have now missed out on owning a few very nice MMX kits because I am so worried the 4 ply with rings wont be loud enough, or offer me the attack I enjoy with the 6 ply. Can anyone shine some light on this? Anyone compared them? Volme? Attack? Anyone play metal or loud rock with a 4 ply masters?

    Thanks in advance. Should this get "cleared up" on my end (i.e., I find the 4 ply will still rock just as hard and loud) I have a nice used kit to put together (still plan on a new MRP or MW order though, very, very soon!).
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