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  • Originally posted by Feenix View Post
    Well, there's your problem. Video games of the '80s didn't really have any sort of narrative. Video games these days have become their own artistic and storytelling medium. Particularly so in the indie game sphere.

    Consider Brukel. It's a pretty moving horror/thriller-esque game that follows the memories of the creator's 90+ year old grandmother as a teenager when the fighting of WWII came to her family's farmstead. The narration is the grandmother recounting the events with all the formality of sitting at the kitchen table and her telling you about it (i.e. it isn't a scripted narration). Which is kind of eerie in its own right when juxtaposed with the actual imagery throughout the game. Soldiers bearing down on the farmhouse and she chuckles, remembering the big old cast iron stove they used to have.


    It sounds like you're assuming having a visual presentation is a crutch and not an artistic asset. I'm another voracious reader, but games like Journey, Rime, and Gris have hit me harder than any book I've read (to the point that, though I'd like to, I can't replay Rime because it's just so goshdarn depressing). All of which have super-simple mechanics, absolutely gorgeous art styles, incredible soundtracks, and convey their meaning/plot with no dialogue or words whatsoever.

    Books, otoh, 100% tell you the story. You're literally being handed the world/story/narrative by the words on the page. You don't have to interpret it using your basic human emotional reactions to art and music as you progress through it.
    I accept your description of current video games but 1000% disagree on what you said about books. It’s objectively false.
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    • Amazon has the Switch for $260 today, down from $300... trying to figure out if this is a fleeting interest or if I should go for it.

      My GameCube has been working off an on so I've been enjoying Ocarina of Time. Majora's Mask is on Switch, so is Skyward Sword and Breath of the Wild. Wind Waker and Twilight Princess haven't been ported yet. Hmm...
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      • Damn. Sale is over.
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        • Originally posted by TheElectricCompany View Post
          Amazon has the Switch for $260 today, down from $300... trying to figure out if this is a fleeting interest or if I should go for it.

          My GameCube has been working off an on so I've been enjoying Ocarina of Time. Majora's Mask is on Switch, so is Skyward Sword and Breath of the Wild. Wind Waker and Twilight Princess haven't been ported yet. Hmm...
          I'm not a big time gamer (I play MarioKart and MarioParty now and then), but I have really enjoyed the Switch. My hubs will bring it on vacations with us and it's a nice way to kill some time in the airport or places without wifi/internet. We even played some old SNES games I used to love in the 90s, like Top Gear, Super Tennis, Starfox, etc. I'm not sure if that's worth $260 to you, but it seems like it would be money well spent if you want to keep stepping into those worlds over the next 5-10 years.

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          • There's room for both reading and video games in this world of ours.

            Some will choose/prefer one over the other.
            Some will find a personal balance between the two.
            Some will choose/prefer neither.

            Having said that, I grew up in the golden age of home video game systems and the glory days of the arcades. I can clearly remember begging my parents for an Atari 2600 for Christmas back in 1981. We were a lower income family, so nothing was a given. Especially, a luxury like a video game system that only my younger sisters and I would use. Well, my parents managed somehow to find a way. More often than not, bless their souls. On that Christmas morning in 1981 there was an Atari 2600 sitting under our tree, and at nine years old my lifelong love of gaming truly began.

            Now, reading (and education in general) was just as important and fully encouraged in our household. My sisters and I could all read and write before the age of five. Thanks fully to the nurturing and diligence of those same parents that later bought us that Atari for Christmas. One did not negate or diminish the importance or enjoyment of the other. Once the foundations are laid, the key is finding the balance that suits you personally.

            Video games have far surpassed the the old blips and blocks of that 2 bit era. While I'm not as highly versed in the most current generation of gaming systems, I've witnessed this evolution firsthand. My last new console was an Xbox 360, actually two of them that each bricked themselves. I still consider myself an original old school console gamer. I grew up with good ole cartridges and disks. The idea of the games themselves existing only the in the cloud, (without any ownership/control of any physical media) doesn't sit so well with me. I still have all of our old cartridges and disks, and some of our old consoles. I love the fact that when the mood hits me, I can bust out an ancient system, and play the old games just for the fun and nostalgia it brings me.

            The puzzle solving aspects, the hand-eye coordination, and the vast rich worlds that programmers have created over the years can engage one's imagination just as much as immersing oneself in a good book.

            Why not have the best of both worlds?
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            • Well said Black
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              • Originally posted by JY Kelly View Post
                Well said Black
                Thanks Dylan.

                And with that, I'm off to Milwaukee to see KISS tonight!
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                • Originally posted by Blk Diamond View Post
                  Thanks Dylan.

                  And with that, I'm off to Milwaukee to see KISS tonight!
                  My thoughts are with you and your ears. Enjoy Paul’s backing tracks.
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                  • Originally posted by JY Kelly View Post
                    but 1000% disagree on what you said about books.
                    Good. That was the point.

                    Originally posted by Blk Diamond View Post
                    [Vidya games] can engage one's imagination just as much as immersing oneself in a good book.
                    Which is what was understood and generally agreed upon, except one folk who figured games are "TOTALLY different from reading."

                    Originally posted by Blk Diamond View Post
                    I'm off to Milwaukee to see KISS tonight!
                    Dang son, get us a picture or two. Have a blast!

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                    • Originally posted by Feenix View Post
                      Good. That was the point.


                      Which is what was understood and generally agreed upon, except one folk who figured games are "TOTALLY different from reading."


                      Dang son, get us a picture or two. Have a blast!
                      Dude- it was a debate. One that came to a pleasant conclusion.
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                      • Originally posted by JY Kelly View Post
                        Dude- it was a debate. One that came to a pleasant conclusion.
                        Yeah, but someone's gotta bust yer balls.

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                        • Originally posted by Blk Diamond View Post
                          And with that, I'm off to Milwaukee to see KISS tonight!
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                          • Originally posted by Feenix View Post
                            Well, there's your problem. Video games of the '80s didn't really have any sort of narrative. Video games these days have become their own artistic and storytelling medium. Particularly so in the indie game sphere.

                            It sounds like you're assuming having a visual presentation is a crutch and not an artistic asset. I'm another voracious reader, but games like Journey, Rime, and Gris have hit me harder than any book I've read (to the point that, though I'd like to, I can't replay Rime because it's just so goshdarn depressing). All of which have super-simple mechanics, absolutely gorgeous art styles, incredible soundtracks, and convey their meaning/plot with no dialogue or words whatsoever.
                            I would add "What Remains of Edith Finch" to that list. It's amazing.

                            Originally posted by TheElectricCompany View Post
                            Amazon has the Switch for $260 today, down from $300... trying to figure out if this is a fleeting interest or if I should go for it.

                            My GameCube has been working off an on so I've been enjoying Ocarina of Time. Majora's Mask is on Switch, so is Skyward Sword and Breath of the Wild. Wind Waker and Twilight Princess haven't been ported yet. Hmm...
                            Having access to Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Wind Waker and Breath of the Wild (last two I bought on disc) was the reason I didn't buy a switch and instead opted for the Wii U. Plus it was cheaper. I'm really hoping the Switch II will have a console-only option and that those games will be available on it. I was surprised how much fun I had going back and playing OOT, it's just such an amazing game. Still plays great other than camera movement.
                            WindWaker is still my favorite and it looks stunning, remastered in HD. I've still got my fingers crossed for a true HD remaster of OOT and Majora's Mask.
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                            • Originally posted by space jeff View Post
                              Having access to Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Wind Waker and Breath of the Wild (last two I bought on disc) was the reason I didn't buy a switch and instead opted for the Wii U. Plus it was cheaper. I'm really hoping the Switch II will have a console-only option and that those games will be available on it. I was surprised how much fun I had going back and playing OOT, it's just such an amazing game. Still plays great other than camera movement.
                              WindWaker is still my favorite and it looks stunning, remastered in HD. I've still got my fingers crossed for a true HD remaster of OOT and Majora's Mask.
                              I initially gave some serious thought to the Wii U since it has every Zelda game, but I figure if I can hold on to nostalgia while also having access to at least one more major Zelda release with the purchase of one console, the Switch is what I should go for. If I decide to spend the money at all, that is.
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                              • Originally posted by Blk Diamond View Post
                                Thanks Dylan.

                                And with that, I'm off to Milwaukee to see KISS tonight!
                                Have fun! Tell Eric that Al said "Hi."
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