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Jonas Sperl
11-01-2002, 02:07 AM
Hey people...how's everyone...

I've got a big question to ask...I'm looking to upgrade my drumkit (it's a Pearl Forum)...to either an Export Select or a Session, (probably a Session)...so the question is...is this the type of Pearl kit I should be getting to suit my drumming needs...

I play mostly rock, soft rock/ballad stuff...some jazz/blues and some latin/regae...

I really feel I've outgrown my Forum but I'm not quite sure if I should get a Session (I'll definatelly get a Pearl kit...no doubt about that...there are no other drum manufacturers as far as I'm concerned)...so...if anyone out there has any suggestions...please help me...any advice would be much appreciated...

Cheers...Jonas

The Kiwi Drummer who lives way out in the wops...

PADman
11-01-2002, 04:18 AM
Jonas, first let me welcome you on the forum! If you're 'sitting on the fence' between Sessions and an ELX I'd say go for the Sessions.

I own both kits and I'd have to say it would be a long time before you'd feel the need to upgrade the SRX's...they are fully professional quality in every way. I use mine strictly for studio work in smoke-free environments and they inspire me to play beyond my best in the most exacting circumstances. On the negative side, they are heavier to haul around than the ELX's.

The Exports are what I use for live gigs. They're nice and light and I don't have to worry too much about 'babying' them. Their poplar shells sound close to birch and cut through a mix of other instruments very well, miked or not. I never feel that I'm playing an entry-level pro kit and I always get compliments from others on how good they sound and look.

Both kits are excellent values for the money and you really can't go wrong either way. If I could afford only one kit, the Sessions are what I'd choose. They truly have the best mix of what Pearl has to offer drummers at any skill level.

new drummer
11-01-2002, 06:35 AM
yea i know pearl makes great drums, but i think you should take a look at the mapex pro m series. nothing can beat them for the price and quality. i've played the elx, the sessions, and the mapex pro m. the mapex might have been the cheapest, but i liked them more than the elx and sessions. don't get me wrong now, the elx and sessions are GREAT drums, but you do know there are many other drum companies out there possibly making better drums... hope this helps man, peace

drummerchick
11-01-2002, 09:20 AM
Get a Session. No question about it. When I first got my Session, I was coming off a cheap CB beginner set. There was a Session in a music store by my house, and it was around November or so and they had a Christmas sale: 50% off. And Pearl's products can't be topped, so we got that kit. I will never regret it. Live, studio recording, jamming in the garage: it's great everywhere. And you will never outgrow it!

Good luck and enjoy whatever kit (*cough* Session *cough*) you get. :)

Jonas Sperl
11-01-2002, 01:05 PM
Hey thanks for all your help...see the thing is that I don't really carry my drumkit around the place a lot...I keep it in my room...and cherish the moment every time when I walk in the door and look at my Forum...but yeah, if I put the Session in the place of the Forum, chances are it won't get moved much...and I prefer the heavier drums with the nice low end punch...

Thanks again...

Jonas Sperl
11-01-2002, 03:44 PM
Ok, the plot thickens...I've got another question. Now, I am leaning towards getting a Session kit, but, what sort of snare should I get...and before you say, a standard Sessions snare...read this...

At the moment I play a Pearl, 14" x 5.5", Steel Shell snare...and I really hated the sound 'cos it just went on, and on, and on, and...you get the picture...and it also went off if you hit any of the three toms...so, I tightened the snare...but then it was to tight and ghost notes, flams or rebounds sounded as if I was playing a timbale, then I was told by a drum tech at my local shop to tune the toms quite tight...did that, no change...tried making 'em quite loose, no change...moved them further away from the snare...and the snare still went off if I hit a tom...so my drum tutor told me to get a sound ring...did that, and I got a bit better...then, I moved to a new place (to Apiti where I live now)...and my new drum tutor told me to get a very thick skin...so, now it's got a Coated Remo Weather King, with CS - Controlled Sound...(you know...with the plastic black dot in the middle)...basically, that was the meatiest snare skin I could get my hands on...got the drum tech at the shop to tune it up, then retuned it when I got home to fit into the kit...tightened the snare...and finally I had a snare with a very low end punch and short sustain...that's the sound I prefer for most of my playing...however...toms still set the snare off...so I put Evans G4 Coated skins on the top of my toms...(kept the original Pearl Skins on the bottom)...and finally, I have good sounding toms and a great sounding snare that doesn't get set off by the toms...BUT...then I started playing more Jazz and Blues...and BIG PROBLEM...I can't play softly, can't do 32 beat rolls on it...can't do ghosts/flams/rebounds or soft triplets...I can do all that with volume...but if I try to do it softly to fit in with the style of music...all I get is a timbale sorta sound...so, at the moment I've compromised by loosening up the snare...so that I can sorta do that, but it means that it sustains longer than I want it to when playing rock, and the small tom sets it off, again...

My question is...is the problem with my playing, the set up...or the snare...and if it is the snare...then has anyone got any suggestion on what sort of snare, or snare set up I should get with my new kit?

If anyone can help me with this problem, it'd be greatly appreaciated...'cos I'm lost...

Thanks

luvmydrumz
11-01-2002, 05:25 PM
If you can swing the dough then the Sessions are an obvious choice. You won't regret the purchase>;)

Caine
11-01-2002, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by Jonas Sperl

My question is...is the problem with my playing, the set up...or the snare...and if it is the snare...then has anyone got any suggestion on what sort of snare, or snare set up I should get with my new kit?

If anyone can help me with this problem, it'd be greatly appreaciated...'cos I'm lost...

Thanks

Alrighty - here's my $0.02 worth... don't ditch your stainless steel snare. Why you ask? Simple... diversity...

I don't know what styles you play right now or what you have played in the past - but keep in mind, for as long as you're alive and playing drums, you should also be considering how to diversify the dynamics of your playing style as well as your kit.

First off, I recomend that you get the snare made of wood - then put both snares on your kit - keep the birch snare tight and punchy, keep your stainless loose and timbali-like and now you have best of both worlds... Diversity - spice of life... and when you're not using the steel snare, use the throw off to kill the snare buzz while playing.

But, for the facts on the steel snare...

I used to hate - I mean HATE my stainless steel snare. The RING! The buzz! That bloody high-pitched timbali sound... yak yak yak! Any more yaks and I'll need a yoke and a plow!

Anyhoo... like you, I was feeling the stainless steel blues and needed some relief. Finally, someone at the local drum shop knew what I was going through and they pointed me in the direction of Ambasador Batter snare heads and an Ambassador, extra sensative, snair bottom. I also bought an aftermarket pearl throw off that takes the nylon strapped snaires - no more shoelaces for me... plus, you can get them tighter and have a super snappy sound or loose and sloppy. Whatever your style, whatever your preference - a bit of modification can go a long way and offer some great benefits.

Anyway... That made a tremendous difference. But I still had the ring. So, duct-tape was my friend for a few years... I hated it. I always need to carry a roll with me to rplace the worn out stuff. And when tightening heads, the tape would peel and - anyway, it was just a mess...

Then my friend, another drummer introduced me to MoodGel!

Remember back to the days when you had that rubber octopus that when you threw it against the wall, it would stick and then slowly, inch it's way down the wall?

And remember when it got dirty, it didn't stick any more until you washed it with hand soap and water then it was all gooey-gluey again?

Well, MoonGel is made up of the same stuff, but it's for drums and it's more versatile than tape... you can put 1, 2, or even 20 pieces on your snare (or toms, or cymbals).

It's cheap too... a canister of 1" strips is under $5.00

It's recycleable (just wash and wear) and you can use as much or as little as you like.

They never get in the way, they stay in place and they dampen that timbali (overtone ring) sound. And when you tune your drums, it's one size fits all - it's rubber, so it stretches.

Why is this a good thing?

Because next time you need to play a latin riff with that timbali overtone, just peel it off for the song, then when your done, slap it back on... And your steel snare will love you for it.

So don't give up - there's hope - and you won't lose your steel.

Anyway - hope this helps - in one way, or another, or another, or...

Caine
11-01-2002, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by Jonas Sperl
finally, I have good sounding toms and a great sounding snare that doesn't get set off by the toms...BUT...then I started playing more Jazz and Blues...and BIG PROBLEM...

I should really read further before replying...

This reminds me so much of guys I've seen going into a studio with 5 or 6 different snare drums... all different materials, all different heads... all different applications...

Get a new snare. Keep both. Use both. Just tune them differently for various applications.

Anyway - best of luck to you...

I feel your pain...

Jonas Sperl
11-01-2002, 06:52 PM
Hey Caine...you've been a great help...see, I'm only just sort of catching on to the power of woodsnares...they are not very popular down in small town New Zealand...yeah, I once asked a drum tech in my local shop if he could explain the difference in sound quality of the two materials and he just looked at me funny, and then acted as if he didn't understand what I meant...

Anyway, thanks for all your help, I'll keep my steel shell then...still don't know what sort of second snare I should get. Should I go with the maple session?

Caine
11-01-2002, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by Jonas Sperl
Hey Caine...you've been a great help...see, I'm only just sort of catching on to the power of woodsnares...they are not very popular down in small town New Zealand...yeah, I once asked a drum tech in my local shop if he could explain the difference in sound quality of the two materials and he just looked at me funny, and then acted as if he didn't understand what I meant...

Anyway, thanks for all your help, I'll keep my steel shell then...still don't know what sort of second snare I should get. Should I go with the maple session?

Here's something you might try - not sure if your local drum shop has one on display - but, go in and see if they have a Roland V-Drum kit. If they do... hopefully it's a Concert or Session series... go into the kit called Rocker and the kit called Ballad. Then go into the instrument modeling and change the snare around. The V-Drum is a pretty accurate model of various drum types. You can listen to a Maple Snare, Birch Snare, Stainless Snare and I think even a Copper Snare. In any case - might let you hear the difference and you'll get a better idea of what the accoustic counterpart sounds like.

Oh, and if the store employees give you guff about the V-Drums defaults, just press setup twice, click on exec a few times and badda-boom, factory defaults restored. ;-)

Jonas Sperl
11-01-2002, 07:15 PM
Ok, I'll see if they have a V-Drum...thanks again for your help...you know...I was by pure luck that I found this Forum...and now, finally there's a place to talk to likeminded people, and get some answers to questions...

Jonas Sperl
11-02-2002, 03:03 AM
Ok, for those people interested...thanks to all your great help and advice I've come to a decision:

I think what I'll do is buy a brand new Session kit (with all the hardware)...keep my Paiste Cymbals (they're only 302's but I'll upgrade them later)...keep my Pearl Steel Shell snare, and my Tama throne (I know...how could I get a Tama throne...what was I thinking???...actually, it is the most comfortable throne I've sat on, good height adjustmen and free leg movement...)...that way, I've got a great new kit, and with the two snares, a wood and a steel one, I will like Caine said, have the best of both worlds...

Thanks again...:)

Caine
11-02-2002, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by Jonas Sperl
and my Tama throne (I know...how could I get a Tama throne...what was I thinking???...actually, it is the most comfortable throne I've sat on, good height adjustmen and free leg movement

Ah yes - nothing like a good seat to keep the butt from going numb! I just replaced my Lugwig throne of nearly 10 years about a month ago.

I purchased a RocNSoc throne. As you say - the MOST comfortable throne I have EVER sat on. Additionally, it's also in red and black to match my kit. And what's nice, no more twisting and screwing to adjust the height. Has one of those office chair type pneumatic levels and even a back rest which supports the lower back - great for long sessions... and that contoured seat - shaped to fit the shape of your butt and groin... gotta luv it.

Anyway - sounds like you're onto a great start with a new kit.

Jonas Sperl
11-02-2002, 07:30 PM
Your seat is the most important piece of any kit...if you're not sitting comfortably, you will never be able to play your best...

Jonas Sperl
11-03-2002, 02:51 AM
Ok, dilema...this morning I was convinced that I should get a Session, start with a small kit and gradually build it up (cashflow is slightly limited...but not limited enough to stop me getting a Session...)...but then for some stupid reason I went into the Export section of this forum and was quite impressed with the size of some of the kits...now, what should I do, compromise sound quality and get a big Export Select, or, compromise the size of the kit but get a better quality kit which I'll never have to upgrade...oh, what to do? what to do?

Any suggestions...?

Lost At... SRX
11-03-2002, 04:21 AM
Get a Session shell pack. Export Selects are superb these days but the Session Customs are in a different league. Once you have a shell pack you can add on new drums.

mrbeaver
11-03-2002, 05:12 PM
well ask this on the export forum and you will get a totally different response

Jonas Sperl
11-03-2002, 10:31 PM
Ok, what exactly is a shell pack?

PADman
11-04-2002, 12:32 AM
Jonas, a Session Custom shell pack is bass drum, toms, snare, tom arms, and a clamp (on packs with all hanging toms). In the Masters series, the shell packs are drums only. Exports and Forums aren't configured from Pearl as shell packs.

Jonas Sperl
11-04-2002, 01:37 AM
ok, so you mean drums without the hardware...

PADman
11-04-2002, 06:47 AM
Jonas, the Session Custom shell pack does not include any hardware except what's needed to attach the toms. Here's what's in the HW-80 hardware pack that's available separately :

P-101P PowerShifter pedal

H-855 Direct-drive hi-hat

S-885W snare stand w/ infinitely adjustable Dual Uni-Lock tilter for left/right and front/back adjustment

B-855W double brace boom stand with infinitely adjustable Uni-Lock tilter

C-855W double brace cymbal stand with infinitely adjustable Uni-Lock tilter

Jonas Sperl
11-05-2002, 12:14 AM
PADman, thanks for all your help, I think I will get a shell pack, that way I could get a different hi-hat and bass pedal (I'd love a Pearl Powershifter Eliminator pedal, but I don't know how much they are in NZ yet...)...

Jonas Sperl
11-08-2002, 09:39 PM
ok...NEWS-UPDATE...I went to my local store...(PN Rockshop)...and talked to a guy there...(their weeked drum specialist...not too bright...so I have to go back sometime during the week to talk to their pro...)...anyway...I'm looking NZ$4300 for a new, 5 piece Session...with all the hardware...that's about NZ$1500 cheaper than I thought...:D ...anyway...the guy there didn't know about shell packs, but if I bought each piece seperatly, the drums (10" x 12" and 11" x 13" rack toms, 16" x 16" floor tom, 18" x 22" bass and 5.5" x 14" all maple snare)...come to NZ$3850...add to that a Powershifter Eliminator kick for NZ$300, and Powershifter Eliminator hi-hat plus 2 Power-Pro boom stands and the Power-Pro snare stand and I'm looking at a total of NZ$4500...so that's pretty good...

Anyway...thanks for all your help, and I'll keep you posted on any new developments...and hopefully, if I end up getting it...then I'll post a pic or two...

danEng
11-11-2002, 03:28 PM
if you save $$$ for a bit you could get a Masters. It'd be worth the wait.If not go for the session. Remember $$$ for cymbals and h/w though. Hope this helps
DAN

Jonas Sperl
11-11-2002, 05:58 PM
Thanks for your input Dan, but I had a lock at a stock standard Masters and they start around at NZ$5500, and I'd really want some new cymbals and the PowerShifterEliminator bass kick and hi-hat instead of the standard, so I'd be loocking at NZ$6500 for a Masters, whereas the same hardware but on a Session will only cost me NZ$4500.

Jonas Sperl
12-26-2002, 08:30 PM
Well, I've just been dealt a major blow. Prices are rising. Instead of paying NZ$4300 for a five piece Session with hardware, I'm looking at NZ$5000 for a five piece Session with hardware, or NZ$4500 for a shell pack. I've looked around, and found to my dismay that I could save about NZ$2000 off a Session through massmusic.net but they don't ship overseas. So, I'm back to square one, and I've decided I don't want an Export. So, I may follow danEng's advice, save up lots of extra cash and go for a Masters in the end. It may take a couple of years...but will be worth the wait. Anyway, a final thank you for all your input everyone.

Fran
01-04-2003, 05:30 AM
go for the sessions

imo. i think is a good price for what you get out of it. they sound as good as the masters. is just they are cheaper coz they use B class wood. sessions have some nice finishes. if u want add ons to the kit. you can go to shops and easily find some session toms. as for master. is all about special orders.

Drum1
01-04-2003, 03:23 PM
:confused:I think you might have made this poll a bit one sided by putting it in the 'Session Series' forum, it might have been better in the general drum set discussions place, oh well a bit late now.
I voted for export select by the way cos I've got one...

Jonas Sperl
01-04-2003, 05:36 PM
Well, the thing is that the quotes I got for a Session came back way higher than I thought, so I'm gonna have to save up quite a bit of cash...that's why I decided that, if I'm gonna save up for a while, I may as well go with a Masters kit.

Lil_drummer_girl
02-06-2003, 06:17 AM
I have a 2002 elx and luv it but yeah if ya gotta forum y not go two better then like one up? If i had the choice between elx and srx id go the session

drummerboy223
03-10-2003, 10:57 PM
well man if you have the dough for the masters then go for it but i say go for the sessions its a better deal.

Jonas Sperl
04-09-2003, 01:32 AM
Thanks for the advice people...but, once again I've given up on the idea for a new kit for a while since my cashflow dried up quite quickly.

EHSsnare03
04-14-2003, 08:14 PM
from what it sounds like you could go with the session for rock and blues. But history has shown that drums used in jazz and blues were made mostly of Mahogany (Export Select) for a boomy sound. so it's your choice. Both woods are very good and they are very good sets. Thats just my thoughts on the issue and I thought Id share them with you. Hope it helps.

ROBB283DT
04-18-2003, 04:10 PM
I would say go with the set you can afford. If their is no way of affording a session then an Export select is a great deal. Go with the most that you can afford, you can always add new things to it later.