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bo eder
02-06-2014, 03:58 AM
Hi all - new guy here - I'm spec-ing out my first Pearl drum order and have settled on some Reference Pure drums (I was totally blown away by the concept and the sound at this year's NAMM show). I know I'll have to wait a bit for my complete order because I've decided on a 14x20 bass drum (no mount) and a 8x12 tom to be included with the kit, and understand the 8x12's are back-ordered. But I figure I won't compromise on what I want this time, so I don't mind waiting, and I have other kits to play anyway.

Question: how many lugs on a 20" bass drum? 16 or 20? Someone told me 20, but I'm not so sure, and I didn't spot any 20" bass drums at NAMM on display. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

nik12
02-06-2014, 07:09 AM
I lurve 20" bass drums.

For some reason some folk point their noses up at bass drums that have any fewer than 20 lugs. However, up to 22" diameter, 16 lugs is plenty. The stiffness of the wood hoops in the tensioning direction allows for an increased lug distance and very few people crank their bass drums, so the need for precise micrometer tuning is irrelevant. Not to mention all that muffling they add to it.

ChopperScott
02-06-2014, 10:26 AM
My 20in Tamas have 20 lugs. I don"t see any reason why Pearl wouldn't do it.

Kiwi
02-06-2014, 11:04 AM
So does the BD have to be ordered as MW in RP specs? How many lugs do you want?

bo eder
02-06-2014, 05:45 PM
I had a Tama Starclassic bubinga elite kit with a 20" bass drum and it had 20 lugs, and years ago my Yamaha recording Custom 20" had 20 lugs, but I didn't want to assume anything with the Reference Pures, because I think 16 lugs is plenty, but I was just wondering. I don't think they treat the RFP's like MW's - they make what they are and that's it. I have this feeling I'll be waiting over three months for this bass drum. The 8x12 tom will not be available until the end of March, I believe - but they have the 9x12 in stock now. I want to stay traditional, yet modern at the same time. The other drums I'm getting are 14x14 and 16x16 floor toms for the 8x12 and 14x20, and figure this will be a good contrast to my Ludwig Classics (9x13/16x16/14x24).

Another question, do you think I should get a matching snare? My main snares are Ludwig supra's and black beauties (both 6.5 deep) and they give me the sound I want, but I don't have a really good wood snare at this time, and not sure if I'd really need one.

Kiwi
02-06-2014, 08:52 PM
Now that I've checked, the RFP 20" has 16 lugs and the 20"x14" is available to order as RFP. So 4-6 months if not in stock.

I like the idea of a matching snare, but for me it's not a must have. If the type and sound of snare is what I want I'm interested, not just because it looks like part of a kit. That said, after 4 years I have just picked one up.

bo eder
02-06-2014, 10:47 PM
Now that I've checked, the RFP 20" has 16 lugs and the 20"x14" is available to order as RFP. So 4-6 months if not in stock.

I like the idea of a matching snare, but for me it's not a must have. If the type and sound of snare is what I want I'm interested, not just because it looks like part of a kit. That said, after 4 years I have just picked one up.

Yeah, I think the 4-6 month wait I can do to get this kind of quality and sound. I'm entertaining the idea of getting a 6.5x14 Session Studio Classic snare drum in black to go with this kit. Since the Reference snares are maple with birch, a birch/kapur shell isn't too much of a stretch. And when I played one of those, they sounded great.

mrjoshfryer
02-06-2014, 11:41 PM
I like 8 on each side. On a 22 I like 10

Kiwi
02-06-2014, 11:52 PM
I like 8 on each side. On a 22 I like 10

Standard Ref specs.

Paradidle
02-11-2014, 02:21 AM
The other drums I'm getting are 14x14 and 16x16 floor toms

Have you ordered the dloor toms yet? If not, consider the 14/16". THAT is a killer:)

bo eder
02-11-2014, 04:09 AM
Have you ordered the dloor toms yet? If not, consider the 14/16". THAT is a killer:)

I'm slowly ordering my stuff. Today I ordered the 8x12 since I won't see that drum until late-May anyway. The rest of the order will include a 16x22 bass drum instead as a 14x20 will probably take an incredibly long time to get. Thanks for the tip on the 14x16, but I've had that size in the past and couldn't really get it to sound as nice as a good ol' 16x16. This kit will be mostly traditional with the exception of the 16" deep bass drum.

mrjoshfryer
02-11-2014, 09:10 AM
Standard Ref specs.

Well if you do more it's harder to tune low. I had a 10 lug 15x12 tom (old Rogers marching snare) and I could never get it to sound really low without there being no tension on it. I would do 8

korch
02-11-2014, 09:30 AM
I have two 20" bass drums. One has 10 lugs and the other 8. I don't really feel or hear a difference. Either way, you should be fine.

If you have a choice, I would take the 10 lugs, just due to the fact that it should hold its value better since most drummers assume more lugs are better then less.

bo eder
02-13-2014, 03:01 AM
I have two 20" bass drums. One has 10 lugs and the other 8. I don't really feel or hear a difference. Either way, you should be fine.

If you have a choice, I would take the 10 lugs, just due to the fact that it should hold its value better since most drummers assume more lugs are better then less.

I'm good. I ordered a 16x22 instead. I'm not sure I want to wait six months for a 14x20 ;)

I already have to wait until late-May to get my 8x12 tom.

Stefan Ray
02-13-2014, 08:11 AM
I'm good. I ordered a 16x22 instead. I'm not sure I want to wait six months for a 14x20 ;) I already have to wait until late-May to get my 8x12 tom.

I have to wait until July for my entire kit! :)

bo eder
02-13-2014, 11:44 PM
I have to wait until July for my entire kit! :)

You must be ordering a special color? I'm going for piano black. I've had a number of kits in different colors and decided to go back to black (that was my first real kit back in 1978 - a gloss black Slingerland). The color is timeless and works with alot of things, even if it is a tad bit boring - but this is a long term investment for me. Kevin Packard and I laughed about all those people who may have bought some wild MTV-type colored drums (or covered in fur and what-not) and speculated if they'd still be playing those drums in a years' time ;)

Stefan Ray
02-14-2014, 12:02 AM
I ordered a Scarlet Fade w/Black hardware. (See Sig) Ordering 3 more drums to go with it.

MusicMan
03-18-2014, 08:40 AM
Hi,

My Reference PURE 20x18 kick has 16 lugs.

MM :)

Drumming-4-Life
03-18-2014, 10:48 AM
The Reference Pure 20" kick drum will come with 8 lugs on the batter side, and 8 lugs on the resonant side. Here are two different pics of the RFP-904 shell pack (with 20" kick).

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I believe a Masterworks 20" kick drum would typically come with 16 total lugs, unless ordered differently. My Masterworks 20" gong drum came with 8 lugs on the batter side.

MattKeaton
05-19-2014, 02:11 AM
16 lugs is plenty and personally i think 16 inch is a good size so don't feel you missed out on the 14" :-)

trickg
05-19-2014, 09:10 AM
16 lugs is plenty and personally i think 16 inch is a good size so don't feel you missed out on the 14" :-)
Agree - I'm of the belief that adding 2 more lugs per side was more of a marketing tool than having anything major to do with sound or intonation of a drum. Even with snare drums (Corps style marching snares being an exception - they require a fair bit more tension) I've never felt that 8 tuning points per side was a detriment to the drum, yet "professional drums" all seem to have 10 lugs.

gyorpb
05-20-2014, 04:25 AM
As low-end budget drums come with ever fewer lugs to cut costs at every possible corner, professional drums add ever more lugs to distinguish themselves from the no-name crap.

nik12
05-20-2014, 06:46 AM
Drummers are an awfully gullible bunch. Tell them twenty shiny bits is better than sixteen and they'll eat it up.

gyorpb
05-20-2014, 07:04 AM
Sell them stainless steel screws at $5 a pop!

MattKeaton
05-28-2014, 04:22 PM
Sell them stainless steel screws at $5 a pop!

Ha!
I can't remember how much mine were but **** expensive (the first time I bought them from here in Aus). And, let me tell you, they were not "precision". They had multiple defects.

sarasotadrums
09-09-2015, 12:16 PM
So how many days did your 20x14 bass drum take to arrive at your place? I'm waiting on one now.

Tasty808
09-09-2015, 11:50 PM
So how many days did your 20x14 bass drum take to arrive at your place? I'm waiting on one now.

02-13-2014...


I'm good. I ordered a 16x22 instead. I'm not sure I want to wait six months for a 14x20