Axis, shortboard vs. longboard

[Kimpo]

Ok fellas,

I'm planning to buy Axis A2 Double Pedal (AX-A2) and I was wondering is there any other differences between SB and LB than the footboard? I know longboards have a different springs and beaters also... I don't play heel down or heel-toe, just basic heel up/flat floot -technique, so the shortboard should not be a problem.

I know, that there are millions of Axis-threads in this forum, but I didn't find any solution to this "problem" amongst them.

Thnx in advance,

Kimpo

[flurbs]

Originally Posted by Kimpo

...I don't play heel down or heel-toe, just basic heel up/flat floot -technique, so the shortboard should not be a problem...

Longboards.

Definitely.

[Lynn]

I know for a fact it's a huge cool thing to shout out "longboards" when somebody has no clue what their talking about (sorry flurbs, maybe you're an expert). Lately I've been wondering if it doesn't matter in some or most cases.

[flurbs]

Originally Posted by Lynn

I know for a fact it's a huge cool thing to shout out "longboards" when somebody has no clue what their talking about (sorry flurbs, maybe you're an expert). Lately I've been wondering if it doesn't matter in some or most cases.

Umm, I'm actually the UK Axis rep. I sell a couple of hundred sets of Axis pedals a year.

As a general rule, heel-up, flat-foot players LOVE the Longboards, right out of the box. Heel-down players and 'ankle-snap' heel-up players prefer the shortboards because of the higher footboard and great rotational motion.

Hence the 'definitely' comment.

[Ronnie G]

Originally Posted by flurbs

Umm, I'm actually the UK Axis rep. I sell a couple of hundred sets of Axis pedals a year.
Hence the 'definitely' comment.

Ouch. That looks like it hurt, Lynn.

[Lynn]

Originally Posted by Ronnie G

Ouch. That looks like it hurt, Lynn.

How did it hurt? I even noted he might be an expert and was making it clear it wasn't directed toward flurbs. I only said people love to talk out their arse and say "longboards" when they have no clue. Longboards aren't the only thing like this that people love to sound cool about and jump on the band wagon.

If he or you can't read it's not my problem.

[DwSoFt]

i agree with lynn, its always longboards etc. etc.

in reality is personal preference, and even if you do heel-toe, longboards are not needed, if you do heel-toe properly, many ppl use the longboards to do heeltoe improperly, but it makes it seem like they are better until they hit a bump where they cant go any faster. i prefer my iron cobras myself even for heel-toe, but im by no means good at heel-toe

now back to the real question on hand, what are the differences between the 2 pedals other than foot board length, maybe flurbs can help with this question since he is a rep in the UK

[homey69]

if its Axis, absolutly longboards!!! how much is it?

[flurbs]

Originally Posted by DwSoFt

now back to the real question on hand, what are the differences between the 2 pedals other than foot board length, maybe flurbs can help with this question since he is a rep in the UK

That is the only practical difference. Regular footboards have a similar length, height and angle to other pedals - Longboards are longer, sit lower, and have slightly more of a straight up/down movement than a rotational one.

Thus, Longboards give extra leverage to flat-foot, heel-up players, but aren't particularly suited to ankle-snap heel-up players (because of the footboard height), or to heel-down players (because of the lesser rotation).

[Kimpo]

Originally Posted by flurbs

That is the only practical difference. Regular footboards have a similar length, height and angle to other pedals - Longboards are longer, sit lower, and have slightly more of a straight up/down movement than a rotational one.

Thus, Longboards give extra leverage to flat-foot, heel-up players, but aren't particularly suited to ankle-snap heel-up players (because of the footboard height), or to heel-down players (because of the lesser rotation).

Thanks for your answer, flurbs.

Yesterday I spent couple of hours playing with the shortboard and it felt pretty good, although I didn't do any adjustment on it exc. the position of VDL, cause I didn't have right hexagonal keys.

Is it also a fact, that you cannot tighten up/loose the springs without those hexagonal keys?

[flurbs]

Originally Posted by Kimpo

Yesterday I spent couple of hours playing with the shortboard and it felt pretty good, although I didn't do any adjustment on it exc. the position of VDL, cause I didn't have right hexagonal keys.

Is it also a fact, that you cannot tighten up/loose the springs without those hexagonal keys?

You only need the hex keys to set the beater angle, and certain parts of the double drive-shaft. The VDL has its own thumb screw, and the springs can be adjusted pretty easily by the wing nut at the base of the spring housing.

Box A in the following link shows the spring assembly - you can see the wing nut at the bottom:

http://www.axispercussion.com/images/ADJPage%201.pdf

[Kimpo]

Oh yes. Actually I spotted those wing nuts yesterday and tried to tighten them up, but still didn't succeed to do that, and then I thought the hex screws at the base are somekind of locks as in Yamaha's Flying Dragon.