Say NO to Swine flu vaccine

[Hunk-a-hunk-a-burning-love]

Originally Posted by LowPhreak

Untested vaccine contents linked to Autism, Guillain-Barre (Gulf War) Syndrome & death. Some contain a version of Bird Flu (H5N1) able to kick-start a pandemic, giving massive profits to drugs giants.

In February 2009, Austrian journalist Jane Burgermeister filed criminal charges against the World Health Organisation, the UN and a pharmaceutical company, Baxter International, for the attempted mass murder of hundreds of thousands of us.

Baxter International apparently distributed 72 kilos of LIVE “Avian Flu” (H5N1) within doses of alleged swine flu vaccine. Because of the strict controls required to licence production of vaccines, the chances of this having occurred by accident are virtually zero. It was only through the vigilance of Czech technicians that it was spotted before doing untold damage from 18 labs across 3 countries.

Apparently Baxter have faced no repercussions at all for this, and the mainstream media has not so far thought this worthy of a mention. We can't help feeling it should have been headline news globally.

Baxter are, we understand, one of two companies set to supply the UK with its stocks of Swine Flu vaccine. The roll out has been targeted at those with underlying health problems, the very young, and pregnant women.

The untested vaccine contains, among other things, Thimerosal (50% by vol Mercury) Squalene – an adjuvant responsible for Guillain-Barre or Gulf War Syndrome, as well as other contents such as aborted human fetal tissue, dog kidneys, and chicken eggs.

Swine flu itself has proven to be a storm in a teacup. If you had flu in the summer it was probably Swine Flu and, if you’re like most others, you shook it off in a day or two.

There is too the suggestion from some sources that the strain H1N1 is not a naturally occurring pathogen, and is likely to have been engineered. There is apparently thus far not ONE confirmed case of a pig infected with it anywhere in the world.

Its also perhaps telling that Baxter won a patent for H1N1 vaccine in 2008 significantly before the disease had ever come to prominence.

This is a link to Jane Burgermeister's website, where the entire case is laid out in great detail cross-referred to many sources, and which is updated regularly throughout each day.

http://www.theflucase.com

As you will be able to see, there is a fast-growing international resistance movement, and one cant help but wonder whether there mightn't be something to it.

This is a link to an interview with her in Vienna recently. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PelTWCUmTsU

Do you own research, spread the word and prepare to make a stand.

SAY NO TO SWINE FLU VACCINE!

1. One company, Baxter International, has already had criminal charges filed against it for attempted mass murder.
2. The 1976 Swine Flu scare in the USA saw more people die from the jab than the flu itself.
3. In the USA, the companies producing the Swine Flu vaccine have been granted immunity from prosecution by the government.

A pointless thread bud, did you run out of tinfoil for your wee hats?

First off Autism isn't linked to the vaccine, hell it isn't even linked on any real sense to the additives in vaccines:

I pose an alternate theory as to why the rate of autism has increased so greatly in the past wee while.....diagnostic testing. There has been a lot of research in the past couple of decades regarding the diagnosing of autism, from the Pervasive Developmental Disorder Screening Test, Diagnostic Checklist for Behavior-Disturbed Children, Gilliam Autism Rating Scale, christ, I'm not going to list them, they are here:

http://www.behavior-consultant.com/aut-dx-devices.htm

Please note that most of these assessment tools have really been put into place over the past 10-30 years. I put it to you that there is really not been an increase in the amount of autism cases out there, but rather than the diagnosis of autism out there.


Besides, the rates are roughly equal:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8268302.stm

again, I'll post it, just because I know you won't want to read it:

"Latest autism figures should dispel any fears about the MMR jab being linked to the condition, say experts.
The NHS Information Centre found one in every hundred adults living in England has autism, which is identical to the rate in children.
If the vaccine was to blame, autism rates among children should be higher because the MMR has only been available since the early 1990s, the centre says.
This is the first time the rate in adults has been evaluated.
Tim Straughan, chief executive of The NHS Information Centre, said: "This landmark report is the first major study into the prevalence of autism spectrum disorders among adults to be carried out anywhere in the world.

"While the sample size was small and any conclusions need to be tempered with caution, the report suggests that, despite popular perceptions, rates of autism are not increasing, with prevalence among adults in line with that among children.
"It also suggests that, among adults, rates of autism remain broadly constant across age groups.
"The findings do not support suggestions of a link between the MMR vaccine and the development of this condition."
A Department of Health spokesperson said: "There is no credible evidence to support the link between the MMR vaccine and autism.
"MMR vaccine has been used extensively and safely around the world for over 30 years and is the best way of protecting your child against measles, mumps and rubella."
Concern over the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine was sparked by a paper published in The Lancet in 1998 by Dr Andrew Wakefield.
'Safe' vaccine
This research has since been discredited.
But, until now, little was known about how autism affected people over the course of a lifetime.
The latest findings, based on nearly 7,500 adults, suggests that prevalence of autism spectrum disorder remains broadly level across all age bands.
While 1% of adults had an autism spectrum disorder, which includes autism and Asperger's syndrome, the rate for men was higher (1.8%) than for women (0.2%). This was in line with studies among child populations which show higher rates amongst boys.
And in line with recent report from the National Audit Office, the study also found many of these adults are failing to get the diagnosis and specialist help they need.
Mr Straughan said: "This does beg some questions about whether services, as currently configured, are meeting the needs of this group of people."
Mark Lever, chief executive of the National Autistic Society, said: "The NAS has long campaigned to raise awareness of the fact that services and support for adults with autism are woefully inadequate.
"This study gives us further evidence to demand that more vital support is put in place."
Care Services Minister Phil Hope said: "This study will feed into the first ever adult autism strategy, which we will publish at the end of this year.
"The strategy should kick-start radical improvements in services for all forms of autism."
People with autism spectrum disorder may suffer a range of problems, including difficulty interacting with other people and communicating their feelings."


Now as for the entire avian flu tainted thing I was somewhat concerned too, but as with any medication there are the potential risks of side effects, it is up to the individual to look at these and make an informed decision - you are not helping people make informed decisions as shown above, your views are, well, misinformed, hell, ludicrous to say the least. Human foetal tissue? Dog kidneys? They only accurate claim there is that it uses chicken eggs - just exactly how much squalene is in the vaccine? I'm betting it's a very very small amount, not to mention that it only increases the risk of side effects, which are still UNLIKELY to happen.

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[LowPhreak]

Originally Posted by The Dreaming Tree

I got a flu shot. I got a piggy flu shot. I'm fine. Nothing wrong here. But, that's because I don't support terrorists.

Hey genius, effects might not show up for awhile, and not all of the shots have the same levels of additives in them. Ask Angela Merkel (Germany's chancellor) and her gov't and armed services.

By the way, there has NEVER been a single case report showing ANY link between ANY vaccine and autism. EVER. That is quite possibly the biggest farce I have ever heard, and am quite ashamed to hear of it.

ORLY? Guess you didn't see the report by RFK, Jr. that was posted on the other thread. I know Hunka did, but he's still peddling lies and distortions.

Deadly Immunity
Salon.com - June 16, 2005
When a study revealed that mercury in childhood vaccines may have caused autism in thousands of kids, the government rushed to conceal the data -- and to prevent parents from suing drug companies for their role in the epidemic. read more ›

It was also published in Rolling Stone.

There is PLENTY of data available - from multiple sources - about how bad these flu shots are, AND the companies behind them, as just one example the theflucase.com shows. But some of you nimrods are incapable of dealing with the evidence because it doesn't sit well with your brainwashed-by-the-corporate-media delusions. Well, have fun with that, sheep, but others are better informed.

Hunka, how much money per dose or per patient do you or your employer make on the flu shots?

Uh huh.

[SabbathBloodySabbath]

I'm not getting the shot, but I decided that on my own almost three weeks ago. I'm not into conspiracy because all they are, are just that. They're nothing but false accusations that keep people entertained or insane. People like that need to live in the real world and get out of their caves.

[Hunk-a-hunk-a-burning-love]

Originally Posted by LowPhreak

Hey genius, effects might not show up for awhile, and not all of the shots have the same levels of additives in them. Ask Angela Merkel (Germany's chancellor) and her gov't and armed services.

Again, spurious claims to say the least, if you take what the german government does in the supposed 'public interest' every day, you'll see that it itsn't really out of line with their attitude towards their own people.

Originally Posted by LowPhreak

ORLY? Guess you didn't see the report by RFK, Jr. that was posted on the other thread. I know Hunka did, but he's still peddling lies and distortions.

That entire last thread was myself busting every idiotic notion that your brian farted. Your ideas involve using statistics taken incredibly out of context. I showed you that, yet, you decided to simply label it as 'lies' Nah bud, it's the truth, but you can still bury your head in the sand if you want.

Originally Posted by LowPhreak

It was also published in Rolling Stone.

There is PLENTY of data available - from multiple sources - about how bad these flu shots are, AND the companies behind them, as just one example the theflucase.com shows. But some of you nimrods are incapable of dealing with the evidence because it doesn't sit well with your brainwashed-by-the-corporate-media delusions. Well, have fun with that, sheep, but others are better informed.

Hunka, how much money per dose or per patient do you or your employer make on the flu shots?

Uh huh.

Yeah, rolling stone, reaally reliable source for scientific information right there

Why don't you practice what you preach? Open your eyes man. You are in kookosezville.

You are no more informed than I or others, you just think you are.

[LowPhreak]

Originally Posted by Hunk-a-hunk-a-burning-love

Again, spurious claims to say the least, if you take what the german government does in the supposed 'public interest' every day, you'll see that it itsn't really out of line with their attitude towards their own people.

Prove that those claims were "spurious". Again, like you've done so many times, just because YOU say so means it's true?

Uhmm...NOT.

Originally Posted by Hunk-a-hunk-a-burning-love

That entire last thread was myself busting every idiotic notion that your brian farted. Your ideas involve using statistics taken incredibly out of context. I showed you that, yet, you decided to simply label it as 'lies' Nah bud, it's the truth, but you can still bury your head in the sand if you want.

Nothing was taken "out of context", which is the usual retort when BS'ers have nothing to back up their lies and distortions. You didn't "bust" anything but the illusion that you're info is factual.

LOL.

Originally Posted by Hunk-a-hunk-a-burning-love

Yeah, rolling stone, reaally reliable source for scientific information right there

Rolling Stone (and salon.com) have published tons of articles and expose's over the years, some scientific, some political, some social/cultural, you name it. In RS's case, going back to the 1960's and many of their staff have been prize-winning authors.

Try again.

Originally Posted by Hunk-a-hunk-a-burning-love

You are no more informed than I or others, you just think you are.

Well see, what we're NOT informed about here is - just how much money are you or your employer making on every flu shot delivered and charged to a patient?

Funny how you conveniently didn't answer that one.

[Hunk-a-hunk-a-burning-love]

Originally Posted by LowPhreak

Prove that those claims were "spurious". Again, like you've done so many times, just because YOU say so means it's true?

Uhmm...NOT.

Well, you said that autism is linked to the uptake of various vaccines that have thermisol or mercury derivative preservatives. I provided you with a link to a reputable and I stress that REPUTABLE news source detailing a study that blows your claims and they are claims out of the water. I DID nothing, the ARTICLE did it for me.

Originally Posted by LowPhreak

Nothing was taken "out of context", which is the usual retort when BS'ers have nothing to back up their lies and distortions. You didn't "bust" anything but the illusion that you're info is factual.

LOL.

Well, it is, first the links between autism and vaccines and now various other claims that taking a vaccine will cause this WILL cause that. No it doesn't.

Your points are all taken out of context. Now, did you know that if you eat processed meat more than 3 times per week you triple your chances of bowel cancer? 3 TIMES. Now, it's a very shocking stat right there, until you have a look at it - even with an increased likelihood of cancer, the overall stat for you actually getting said bowel cancer is summit like < 0.3%! So yeah scary stat initially, but when you look at it, it isn't

I unlike yourself base my views on proper research, which is backed up by evidence, not random sites that have obvious political agenda and only select sources that back them up.

Originally Posted by LowPhreak

Rolling Stone (and salon.com) have published tons of articles and expose's over the years, some scientific, some political, some social/cultural, you name it. In RS's case, going back to the 1960's and many of their staff have been prize-winning authors.

Try again.

I'll take articles from the new scientist, nursing times and any scientific information from academic journals and publications, so who is more informed?

Originally Posted by LowPhreak

Well see, what we're NOT informed about here is - just how much money are you or your employer making on every flu shot delivered and charged to a patient?

Funny how you conveniently didn't answer that one.

I make no money nor does my employer, but I thought that one was a given.

So can I ask, how much does your endorsement of aluminium foil make you?

[Maark]

I won't be taking the jab. But then I reckon my immune system and (if I need them) pills would be enough for me. There are other people who'd need it more than me.

[LowPhreak]

Your source does nothing of the sort, anymore than the gov't's "studies" blew anything out of the water on this. Why? As the RFK, Jr. piece shows, it was based on inaccurate, faulty info, or simply manufactured lies:

In fact, the government has proved to be far more adept at handling the damage than at protecting children's health. The CDC paid the Institute of Medicine to conduct a new study to whitewash the risks of thimerosal, ordering researchers to "rule out" the chemical's link to autism.

...and:

It withheld Verstraeten's findings, even though they had been slated for immediate publication, and told other scientists that his original data had been "lost" and could not be replicated. And to thwart the Freedom of Information Act, it handed its giant database of vaccine records over to a private company, declaring it off-limits to researchers.

...and:

"You couldn't even construct a study that shows thimerosal is safe," says Haley, who heads the chemistry department at the University of Kentucky. "It's just too darn toxic. If you inject thimerosal into an animal, its brain will sicken. If you apply it to living tissue, the cells die. If you put it in a petri dish, the culture dies. Knowing these things, it would be shocking if one could inject it into an infant without causing damage."

...and:

Internal documents reveal that Eli Lilly, which first developed thimerosal, knew from the start that its product could cause damage -- and even death -- in both animals and humans.

...and:

For Merck and other drug companies, however, the obstacle was money. Thimerosal enables the pharmaceutical industry to package vaccines in vials that contain multiple doses, which require additional protection because they are more easily contaminated by multiple needle entries. The larger vials cost half as much to produce as smaller, single-dose vials, making it cheaper for international agencies to distribute them to impoverished regions at risk of epidemics. Faced with this "cost consideration," Merck ignored Hilleman's warnings, and government officials continued to push more and more thimerosal-based vaccines for children.

...and:

But rather than conduct more studies to test the link to autism and other forms of brain damage, the CDC placed politics over science. The agency turned its database on childhood vaccines -- which had been developed largely at taxpayer expense -- over to a private agency, America's Health Insurance Plans, ensuring that it could not be used for additional research. It also instructed the Institute of Medicine, an advisory organization that is part of the National Academy of Sciences, to produce a study debunking the link between thimerosal and brain disorders.

Yes, it's a political agenda alright - the CDC's and WHO's and FDA's agenda. But it's really more about profiting at the expense of other's health. PERIOD.

STFU, Hunka. You lose.

[Hunk-a-hunk-a-burning-love]

Originally Posted by LowPhreak

Your source does nothing of the sort, anymore than the gov't's "studies" blew anything out of the water on this. Why? As the RFK, Jr. piece shows, it was based on inaccurate, faulty info, or simply manufactured lies:



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Yes, it's a political agenda alright - the CDC's and WHO's and FDA's agenda. But it's really more about profiting at the expense of other's health. PERIOD.

STFU, Hunka. You lose.

you are still on about this autism thing aren't you?

There is no direct link to autism and thermisol, only tentative, jumping statistical links from those who aren't wiling to look at the entire picture.

Again, look at the information that I've provided, there is no jump in cases of autism, but again, you are unwilling to look at the simple fact that the diagnostic tests for autism have come on leaps and bounds in the past few decades and as such, those (much like yourself) who would have been considered a little more, well, let's just say behaviour deviates from the norm would have been considered just that - a bit different. Detection rates in autism have increased simply because we are better at detecting it. Nothing else. You may wish to believe that there is definitive links between the two, where there clearly isn't, that's your choice, but you simply cannot preach emphatically that there is a link when there is none.

As for the collusion thing, well, I have no idea, I do know that your sources are suspect and as such I will look into it myself, but the very notion that every pharma company is out there to do nowt but to conspire to make us all ill is daft at least and mental at most.

[Robbiegg]

I just got a phone call asking if i wanted the vaccine, I'm not sure about it though ..

[Hunk-a-hunk-a-burning-love]

Originally Posted by Robbiegg

I just got a phone call asking if i wanted the vaccine, I'm not sure about it though ..

on a saturday?

What age are ya? How is your general health? Any respiratory problems?

If you have some underlying medical problems or respiratory problems (asthma etc...) I'd suggest that you get it. If not and you are in good health then there really is no need to get it, it's just like the normal flu.

[.:On The Rock:.]

I am vaccinated. Now LowPhreak, watch me shrivel up and implode.