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I'm right handed, so naturally my left hand is weak and uncoordinated. When I practice my double stroke roll at a faster tempo, I notice my left hand/stick "bounces" instead of an actual "stroke". Does a double bounce count as a double stroke roll? Or would it be considered cheating? I would like to know because I don't want to sell myself short in getting my technique down. Thanks for the info!
06-05-2005, 07:47 PM
How else would you get 2 strokes out of one hand with out the rebound? That is the ESSENTIAL key when you are going at fast tempos or rolls.
wel if you are having trouble with the stick 'behaving' (like i noticed when i let for a while my technique get poor, my left stick 'bounced' towards the rim, away from the centre), then best long term is to step back your speeds for sometimes, and practise it flawlessly but my slow. is a shame but i took a good year/more to make a nice roll and i think it was worth it.
i agree with second post - rebound IS the basis for all this. i do not understand why so many drummers afriad to take advantage of the response. why make the speed game any harder?
06-05-2005, 07:58 PM
If you apply physics to drumming, such as rebound and letting the stick do what it naturally is supposed, yet being able to control it, then that's half the battle. The other half is applying it. Learning how to control the stick and what the stick will do is a long study, but if you put the time an effort into it, you won't regret it.
I understand. Thanks for the reply's. Sure thing, I take it slow at first to get the technique down. I just wasn't sure if the bouncing was a part of the stroke technique. It makes sense though, thanks.
06-05-2005, 08:26 PM
When you develop control, the speed will come.
06-05-2005, 08:36 PM
Technically, there are two kind of fast double strokes
There is a jazz/dirty kind and a military kind
Military is when you play super clean strokes depended more on finger control
Jazz is when rebound plays a major part
both are important, so practice them and make them clean
for you, I would say try to 1. relax 2. play with a little finger control, try two distinct strokes first, sooner or later you'll get it
06-05-2005, 09:22 PM
you use rebound to an extent but finger control is extremely important when playing double strokes so they dont sound like ***. your rolls will be crushed if you just let it bounce. those kind of rolls are good in certain situations, but definitely work on your fingers. you'll become a much better player.
06-05-2005, 09:25 PM
if your right hand isnt rebounding or bouncing sounds like its tense as!
Work my fingers? Maybe I'm not holding my sticks correctly. I should look into that before I try to get my technique on.
06-05-2005, 09:30 PM
if you have no finger control you can't double stroke well on your toms unless you crank em. practicing double strokes on a pillow is great practice.
06-05-2005, 09:32 PM
Practice on a pillow or like object, the lack of rebound will help with your fingers and wrists. Do your rudiments like this. its great for your chops and you cant cheat with the rebound. Vary the surfaces, very loose tuning on toms makes rebound more difficult at higher tempos, its all good for practicing.
I'm actually practicing on my practice pad (http://dren.homelinux.org/gallery/index.php?album=Drums%2F&pic=bleh_0007.jpeg). I'm sure it'll feel different when I move it over to my kit.
06-06-2005, 12:39 AM
VERY useful site. check out excercise #3 and #4
06-06-2005, 01:49 AM
relying on the bounce of the drum is cheating, you dont have full control...
im working on my left hand, triplets are one of the best exercises :D
try triplets like this -
RLL RLL RLL RLL or for the right hand LRR LRR LRR LRR
doing you double stroke roll on something that has no rebound will help your control also...
06-06-2005, 03:05 AM
yeah i would have to agree on using a pillow, i didnt think it would work til i tried it. it also built strength in my forarms and writsts, when i went out on the kit i was hitting so much harder, and faster..
06-06-2005, 06:13 AM
If u are accenting the 2nd stroke and u use rebound then it's as it should be;)
06-06-2005, 07:20 AM
I canít begin to tell you how big of a pain in the *** a double stroke roll is. I started taking lessons again just to get this down properly. I donít think anyone on planet earth is having as much trouble with it as I am. I practice for hours on the pad and still nothing.
Like you, my left hand is a big pain. I can never get it to the point where it feels like the right hand. Iím not sure if I will ever get it properly.
Rebound, fingers and control is the key. My teacher does it like itís childís play. He goes so fast you can hardly tell itís a double. It sounds like a super machine gun going at a thousand miles an hour.
He assures me it will get betterÖIím not so sure myself.
06-06-2005, 08:54 AM
work on your left hand technique individually. my drum corps show has 5 right hand hits in a row at 576 bpm. and it sucks because i'm a lefty.
What a great community. Thanks for the replys everyone.
I tried doing some doubles on a pillow last night as suggested and for sure it'll help. With no bounce possible it'll make it impossible to cheat. ;)
While messing around on my pad I did end up doing some triplets as suggested before; RLL RLL RLL RLL -- This seems to help build letf hand control while the right helps to keep the timing.
Also, another non-lefty problem; starting any type of technique/exercise with my left hand eventually ends up with my right hand taking over. Bah. I know you know what I'm talking about. Maybe I should take lessons again.
Thanks for the suggestions everyone. :)
06-06-2005, 09:36 AM
yea i know. that's not a problem for me anymore. im pretty proficient at leading with either hand no matter the speed.
06-06-2005, 11:08 AM
Lessons are a great idea. Even the pros go back and take lessons. I started taking lessons again for one reason-my left had. It never got to a point where I was happy with it. The double rolls suck but I do them until I'm about ready to smash my kit. It's like every other aspect of drumming, you need to take your time and work on it. I know in the end, my left hand will come around.
06-06-2005, 12:52 PM
It's all about stick controll. First off don't let your sticks "bounce" per say to get the double stroke. A doulbe stroke roll is more of a drop of the stick followed by a snap of the fingers on the second stroke.
Practice double stroke rolls at a slow tempo and accent the second stroke in each hand, this will give you a good idea of the technique used.
06-06-2005, 12:54 PM
yep tabla man, that's the exact technique i was taught for double strokes.
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