Full Round Bearing Edge???

[elevendice]

Just what exactly does this do to the projection and quality of the sound. At least for the floor toms and kick drum? Which is better fully round, 30 degree, or 45 degree bearing edge?

[vanillaCOKE2k2]

the fully round bearing edge they have on the kicks and floors is the best suited for those size drums. the drums take longer to resonate and are deeper so the sound is gonna travel slower in those drums. the edges help pronounce the tone of the shell even more.

[metalhead22003]

Also the more contact the head has with the bearing edges the more focus to the overall drum tone.

[koen]

Also the more contact the head has with the bearing edges the more focus to the overall drum tone.


i think its stupid to think round bearing edges are better if u would check out the reeel cheapo drums like stagg .....

u wil see that the bearing edeges are verry poor and also roundened
when u want maximum resonation on the toms "that wil give u the possebillyti
to tune ure drums how u want them.

i think that a snare is just the same as a tom why because there is 1 difference: the snares

so why dont they ad round edges at the rf snare ?
its simple u would hear it the snares woulden be sensetive



i think its a marketing job puting a 45° bearing edge can not be as fast
as a round edge the 45° is a proces u have to cut without chipping
the wood and thats not easy

[Prof.Sound]

Just what exactly does this do to the projection and quality of the sound. At least for the floor toms and kick drum? Which is better fully round, 30 degree, or 45 degree bearing edge?

Why would you think someone could reach a conclusion on your question/statement?

Which is better is subjective, and according to our other friend..."stupid" if you don't grasp his concept, which in and of itself is ignorant.

The best you can do is to prefer one over the other and become educated on what the respective profiles offer you as a drummer to tailor the sound to your desired voice.

Simply put, the more close to round the edge becomes the less high frequency is projected through the timbre ("voice") of the drum. This is why it stands to reason that a snare would have a sharper edge. But this also defies a bit of logic when comparing wood snares to metal as metal snares do not have the same sharpness as do wood products. However, because of the parent material (i.e. metal of brass, steel, aluminum, etc.) they bring out a different form of resonance and shell sound, which is inherently more sibilant in some cases and present as well.

As toms get larger in diameter, they tend to become more tympanic or somewhat hollow sounding. If that’s not your thing then edges that become more rounded or closer to a 0° approach will dull out the high-ring. But if you like that thing then you would not want rounded or anything less than a very sharp edge profile.

Whether this really means "stupid" or "brilliant" is up to you to decide based upon your desires? I have no real opinion on the intelligence of anything other than implying someone is "stupid" on designing an instrument or achieving their desired sound is, inherently without thought.

[koen]

dude ther is not anny problem with a drum wich resonate too much .you got the option of dampening etc

round edges on drum are like having a cymbal where the bel is as thick as the edge would you like that cymbal ? maybe as a special effect or somthing
and okay u can make the edges like a knifes edge this wil be perfect sound but not for long it cracks

[AppNothingPearl]

round edges on drum are like having a cymbal where the bel is as thick as the edge would you like that cymbal ? maybe as a special effect or somthing
and okay u can make the edges like a knifes edge this wil be perfect sound but not for long it cracks

While I still wonder why you're comparing a bearing edge to a cymbal, would you please state your comment in a more coherent fashion, so that it would get your thoughts across more clearly and potentially contribute to this thread.

I have also heard first hand what a 16'' floor tom sounds like with a rounded edge, and with regard to tuning, it was the nicest sound i have ever heard from a drum of that size (full of lows, and focused punch). I recently used it while recording demos with my band, (none of which have been mixed yet), and our engineer said straight out, that it was the best tom he's ever recorded. Give Pearl some credit, they know what they're doing.

[DeadJotun]

While I still wonder why you're comparing a bearing edge to a cymbal, would you please state your comment in a more coherent fashion, so that it would get your thoughts across more clearly and potentially contribute to this thread.

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agreed.

[AnimalGLX]

agreed.

Double that!

[koen]

[QUOTE=AppNothingPearl]While I still wonder why you're comparing a bearing edge to a cymbal, would you please state your comment in a more coherent fashion, so that it would get your thoughts across more clearly and potentially contribute to this thread.

I have also heard first hand what a 16'' floor tom sounds like with a rounded edge, and with regard to tuning, it was the nicest sound i have ever heard from a drum of that size
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that is your opinion and i dont have problem with that

today is almost everything about money an profit...

and some wil like the sound others may not

the skin of a drum need to rest flat on the edges
and the sharper the edges are "35" or 45degrees

the lesser tension they need= almost no risk of bending a shell

when a roundened shell is like 0.1 mm bedend u wil hear a buzz when u tunne verry light thats just the skin thats buzzin againgst the round edge
the only thing u can do is is just tighten the bolt = changing the sound


btw i have respect for a company like pearl i buy even stuf of them
like a year ago i bought me a masterworks carbon free floater picolo
that thing rocks ... but i wil never buy a reference tom
sorry thats my opinion .and u guys even if its true if u guys hear somthin bad
u have answer even if ure wrong just to defend pearl just use ur mind and stay calm if you would see me in person u would see i am a verrry calm person

[joshalberg]

Koen.. just shut up now and save yourself from your overwelming stupidity. Research and development has gone into each drum in the RF series, and they obviously found that these specifications for each drum produce the specific sound that engineers were looking to achieve.

[Tallica/Sevendust Freak]

Koen.. just shut up now and save yourself from your overwelming stupidity. Research and development has gone into each drum in the RF series, and they obviously found that these specifications for each drum produce the specific sound that engineers were looking to achieve.


Agreed.

Koen, think about what you're saying before you type/speak. You are naive to think that a company or corporation is out there to offer just a product for nothing and not make a return profit on what they offer. You have to spend money to make money and Pearl has spent money on R&D so that they can make back the money with sales. That's only the top layer of how a company is run and operated. The very fact that almost every employee if not all employees of Pearl Corp. have a vast knowledge of how their products are manufactured and know how much work goes into making a drum sound the way it does. Tuning alone cannot define what drum sounds better than the other, you must take into consideration the size of the drum, wood composition, bearing edges, etc. etc. Even on a fully rounded bearing edge, there is a pinnacle where the drumhead is only touching a portion of the actual head itself and barely making contact with it.

Having said all this, read the Drummers tuning Bible which goes into greater detail about all factors of shell science and tuning.