Standard or Fusion

[J_Myers]

Im buying an Elx in the next week and I still cant decide on getting the standard or the fusion set. I want to add a floor tom to make it a 6 piece set but i dont know if i want all hanging toms or floor standing toms or both .... just give me a little feedback on your prefrences and why...

[sk8drummer]

it depends on what music u play. rock= standard, jazz= fusion or jazz configuration. If u want a general opinion get fusion cuz then u can add a 16" floor tom instead of an 18" floor tom. those just suck and are way to *** big. hope this helps. I got a fusion by the way.

[J_Myers]

well can i buy a floor standing 14 inch to add between the 13 and 16,, on a standard set ,,, is the 16 inch a hanging tom for the fusion,,, does it really make that much of a diff. on what i play considering if its a fusion or not,, and how tuneable are they?

[Mohadiib1]

Sk8drummer, when did you trade in your Forums, for an ELX Fusion set?

[sk8drummer]

i never traded in my forums. nor have a i gotten a new set. wat gave u that idea mohad?

[duffman]

I recently answered the same question with a fusion kit. I heard that the odd size tom in the standards makes tuning the kit more difficult. If you really want the 18" tom, you can always add it to a fusion setup...

[Ikamura]

I've got an EX standard kit. It sounds great!
the main difference between a fusion kit and a standard isthe bassdrum. In fact, if you consider that bassdrum and snare are the most important drums in your kit, the fusion bassdrum (18") has got a lower/deeper sound. This is great if you play rock! tom tom are smaller, of course, but the sound is, I think, not really different. You have a more "cutted" sound with a fusion and this makes in your play more impact. Fast and cutted.
With the standard kit you have a lower sound (talking about the toms), but even a bit "longer" sound.
In the fusion kit you have also a difference between the deep bassdrum and the higher toms and it makes a kind of separation. If you make a 16" floor tom you'll have, in my opinion, a kit that covers lot of sounds; more versatile. Just one line more; I think that you shouldn't take a mounted tom adapted to the cymbal stand. Try to make your toms/floor toms independents from the Cymbal stands (more confortable).
This is only my opinion...
hope I helped you

[sk8drummer]

I got a fusion set and it came with a 22x16 inch bass drum. Its a forum. is it different with forum?

[Mohadiib1]

oh Ok, sk8drummer, I didn't know Forums were called fusion or whatever. I thought it was just forum. I know they have 3 different setups you can get but I didn't know they were called anything other than just forum.I have the 22"x16" bass also with the 2 bigger toms--12" and 13". What's that one called? If it's considered a fusion, I never knew that.

[SKiezws]

Go with the fusion. I regret getting the standard sizes. They are a lot harder to position....(I like my toms low)

[ian40uk]

Originally posted by Mohadiib1
oh Ok, sk8drummer, I didn't know Forums were called fusion or whatever. I thought it was just forum. I know they have 3 different setups you can get but I didn't know they were called anything other than just forum.I have the 22"x16" bass also with the 2 bigger toms--12" and 13". What's that one called? If it's considered a fusion, I never knew that.

i have a fusion, 10-12-14 tom sizes. nice definite size differences on all 3 , much easier to get a balance. you have a "rock" size ( notice only 1" difference on the rack toms )...

rock size :- 12" , 13" rack/bass mounted toms & 16" floor tom

fusion :- 10" , 12" rack toms & 14" floor tom ( which is stand mounted unlike the legs on a "rock" kit )

hope that clarifies the difference :)

[sk8drummer]

"Standard" sizes= Toms:12x10,13x11 Floor tom:16x16 BD:22x16
"Fusion" sizes= Toms:10x8,12x9 Rack tom:14x12 BD:22x18 (in my case 22x16)
"Jazz" Configuration= Toms:10x8,12x9 Floor tom:14x14 BD:20x16

[OWIMdrummer]

Fusion kits are heaps better than standard kits in my opinion. You can easily add a 16"x14" or 16"x16" tom to a fusion kit, it doesn't matter which. (i would get a 16"x14" though.) People say standard kits are for rock but i play hard rock/ metal and have a fusion sized kit. For live gigs your drums will usually be miced and so u don't have to worry about "projection issues". The intervals between the sound of 10, 12, & 14 toms is more evenly spaced too. Definitely get FUSION sizes!

[J_Myers]

Originally posted by OWIMdrummer
Fusion kits are heaps better than standard kits in my opinion. You can easily add a 16"x14" or 16"x16" tom to a fusion kit, it doesn't matter which. (i would get a 16"x14" though.) People say standard kits are for rock but i play hard rock/ metal and have a fusion sized kit. For live gigs your drums will usually be miced and so u don't have to worry about "projection issues". The intervals between the sound of 10, 12, & 14 toms is more evenly spaced too. Definitely get FUSION sizes!

this is the feedback i needed,, thanks ,, but is the sound there? I like good deep sounding toms and I dont want to miss out on that with smaller sizes ,,, what do you think?

[Rory444]

Definatly go with the Fusion. As it was metioned before the standard is very hard to position and to get a decent interval between the 12 and 13 toms is hard. With a good selection of heads a fusion kit with the 22 by 18 bass is the way to go.

[ian40uk]

Agreed .

:D

[Mohadiib1]

Kit Configurations

FX 725Cthe best-selling Forum includes a 22"x16" bass drum, 12"x10" and 13"x11" rack toms, 16"x16" floor tom, 14"x5.5" wood snare and 70W series double-braced hardware. "Ready Set Go" extras include D-70W Drummers Throne, CX318CR (Crash-Ride) CX314HH (Hi-hats), genuine Vic Firth 5A Drumsticks, and Eric Singer video.

FX 725HC NEW for 2002! Includes a 22"x16" bass drum, 10"x8", 12"x9", and 14"x12" rack toms, 14"x5.5" wood snare and 70W series double-braced hardware. "Ready Set Go" extras include D-70W Drummers Throne, CX318CR (Crash-Ride) CX314HH (Hi-hats), genuine Vic Firth 5A Drumsticks, and Eric Singer video.

FX705C includes 20"x16" bass, 10"x8" and 12"x9" rack toms, 14"x14" floor tom, 14"x5.5" wood snare, and 70W series hardware. "Ready Set Go" extras include D-70W Drummers Throne, CX318CR (Crash-Ride) CX314HH (Hi-hats), genuine Vic Firth 5A Drumsticks, and Eric Singer video.



Funny, I don't see the words Fusion, Rock or Jazz, and I don't see a 22"x18" bass drum. You guys are talking about Forum Series drums, right??

[ian40uk]

FX 725HC NEW for 2002! Includes a 22"x16" bass drum, 10"x8", 12"x9", and 14"x12" rack toms, Thats a fusion size kit, notice it has a different serial number to the other spec, plus a choice of 20 or 22" Bass ( although i could only get a 22" ) :( they call the 14 x 12 a rack tom !! even tho it hangs where a floor tom would stand on the floor ... i hope that clarifies :D

[J_Myers]

Originally posted by Mohadiib1
Kit Configurations

FX 725Cthe best-selling Forum includes a 22"x16" bass drum, 12"x10" and 13"x11" rack toms, 16"x16" floor tom, 14"x5.5" wood snare and 70W series double-braced hardware. "Ready Set Go" extras include D-70W Drummers Throne, CX318CR (Crash-Ride) CX314HH (Hi-hats), genuine Vic Firth 5A Drumsticks, and Eric Singer video.

FX 725HC NEW for 2002! Includes a 22"x16" bass drum, 10"x8", 12"x9", and 14"x12" rack toms, 14"x5.5" wood snare and 70W series double-braced hardware. "Ready Set Go" extras include D-70W Drummers Throne, CX318CR (Crash-Ride) CX314HH (Hi-hats), genuine Vic Firth 5A Drumsticks, and Eric Singer video.

FX705C includes 20"x16" bass, 10"x8" and 12"x9" rack toms, 14"x14" floor tom, 14"x5.5" wood snare, and 70W series hardware. "Ready Set Go" extras include D-70W Drummers Throne, CX318CR (Crash-Ride) CX314HH (Hi-hats), genuine Vic Firth 5A Drumsticks, and Eric Singer video.



Funny, I don't see the words Fusion, Rock or Jazz, and I don't see a 22"x18" bass drum. You guys are talking about Forum Series drums, right??



Sorry bud we are talking about an Export Select (ELX) not a Forum Series.. but hey thats why its called the "Export Zone" ,
not trying to be a butt I just thought it was funny..

[sk8drummer]

In case u didnt realize dude, mohad asked a question about forum series cuz he wasnt sure about whether it was called fusion or not. and the thread was started by some1 hoo wanted to get an ELX. doesnt necessarily mean we have to talk about ELX. he asked for sizes. and even tho it is called export zone, it says under it and i quote "This is the place to discuss everything about the best selling drums in the world...Pearl's Export Series drums. Post all Export Select, Export, and FORUM SERIES topics here.

Get it right man damn.

not tryin to be a butt, just thought it was funny...

[Mohadiib1]

Fine, have it your way, "bud"....

Export Select Components

Export Select is available in components including 18"x16", 22"x18" and 24"x16" bass drum sizes. Also available are "alternative"sized toms that bridge the gap between standard and deep size toms for quick response and outstanding versatility in all musical styles.

Export Select Kit Configurations

Export Select offers exciting 5 piece kit configurations that include 22"x18" or 20"x16" bass drum sizes and alternative sized rack toms.

Expansion Value Packages

Export Select offers 6 Expansion Packages that allow easy transformation of a basic 5 piece kit into the fully accessorized kit of your dreams. These packages offer a variety of extremely popular set-ups and their simple, easy one-stop-shopping solution offers substantial savings over buying separate components.

ELX-6 Expansion Package

The ELX-6 features an 10"x8" tom, TH-88S tom arm and AX-20 multi-clamp and is ideal for sets with 12" and 13" rack toms.


NEW ELX-6H Expansion Package

The NEW ELX-6H features an 8"x8" tom, TH-88S tom arm and AX-20 multi-clamp and is ideal for sets with 10" and 12" rack toms.

ELX-6F Expansion Package

The ELX-6F features a 16"x14" tom and TC-800W double braced tom/cymbal stand. This package is perfect for sets with 10", 12", and 14" hanging tom configurations.

ELX-7P Expansion Package

The new ELX-7P features 8"x8" and 10"x8" toms, and a T-800W tom stand. The shallower depth of the 10" tom reflects the changing tastes of drummers today for quicker responding toms. This add-on package is perfect for expanding sets with 12" and 13" rack toms.

ELX-7 Expansion Package

The ELX-7 features 10"x8" and 14"x12" toms, a B-800W boom cymbal stand, two TH-88S tom arms and two AX-20 multi-clamps. This is package is also ideal for sets with 12" and 13" rack toms.

ELX-8 Expansion Package

The ELX-8 features a 22"x16" bass drum, 10"x8" tom, a 14"x14" floor tom, a TH-88I tom arm, two B-800W double braced boom stands, a P-100 PowerPro Bass Drum Pedal, and a HA-95L hi-hat to bass drum attachment. This package converts a standard 5 piece set into a full featured 8-piece double bass set.


If people would just read, maybe they wouldn't have to ask so many silly questions. Right there is all the info you need. Read.

Not trying to be a butt--just offering info that is there for all to see.
:rolleyes:

[J_Myers]

Alright you got me,, i am an illiterate fool,,,,,,, sorry,,

Oh , and i was the one that started the string,,, damn me ,, damn me,, thats ok,,
:D

[J_Myers]

Originally posted by Mohadiib1
Fine, have it your way, "bud"....

Export Select Components

Export Select is available in components including 18"x16", 22"x18" and 24"x16" bass drum sizes. Also available are "alternative"sized toms that bridge the gap between standard and deep size toms for quick response and outstanding versatility in all musical styles.

Export Select Kit Configurations

Export Select offers exciting 5 piece kit configurations that include 22"x18" or 20"x16" bass drum sizes and alternative sized rack toms.

Expansion Value Packages

Export Select offers 6 Expansion Packages that allow easy transformation of a basic 5 piece kit into the fully accessorized kit of your dreams. These packages offer a variety of extremely popular set-ups and their simple, easy one-stop-shopping solution offers substantial savings over buying separate components.

ELX-6 Expansion Package

The ELX-6 features an 10"x8" tom, TH-88S tom arm and AX-20 multi-clamp and is ideal for sets with 12" and 13" rack toms.


NEW ELX-6H Expansion Package

The NEW ELX-6H features an 8"x8" tom, TH-88S tom arm and AX-20 multi-clamp and is ideal for sets with 10" and 12" rack toms.

ELX-6F Expansion Package

The ELX-6F features a 16"x14" tom and TC-800W double braced tom/cymbal stand. This package is perfect for sets with 10", 12", and 14" hanging tom configurations.

ELX-7P Expansion Package

The new ELX-7P features 8"x8" and 10"x8" toms, and a T-800W tom stand. The shallower depth of the 10" tom reflects the changing tastes of drummers today for quicker responding toms. This add-on package is perfect for expanding sets with 12" and 13" rack toms.

ELX-7 Expansion Package

The ELX-7 features 10"x8" and 14"x12" toms, a B-800W boom cymbal stand, two TH-88S tom arms and two AX-20 multi-clamps. This is package is also ideal for sets with 12" and 13" rack toms.

ELX-8 Expansion Package

The ELX-8 features a 22"x16" bass drum, 10"x8" tom, a 14"x14" floor tom, a TH-88I tom arm, two B-800W double braced boom stands, a P-100 PowerPro Bass Drum Pedal, and a HA-95L hi-hat to bass drum attachment. This package converts a standard 5 piece set into a full featured 8-piece double bass set.


If people would just read, maybe they wouldn't have to ask so many silly questions. Right there is all the info you need. Read.

Not trying to be a butt--just offering info that is there for all to see.
:rolleyes:

OK, Mo-bud. I got your point. You see I did look up all of this info too, I ask the question to maybe get someones opinion, (someone who might have these things) on how good these things are working for them.
Thanks for the info though it is good to have it right here in the thread.
Butt, butt, butt-- couldnt think of anything smart ***** to say..

[Mohadiib1]

LOL. OK. Sorry, I guess you did start this thread. I don't know how we got off on Forums. But to bring things back down to earth, if I had it to do again I would get fusion sizes, be they Export or Forum or whatever.The 12's aren't hard to tune but the 13's sometimes give me fits.I do have an 8" and 10" concert toms, but I think they would sound better as regular toms. When I bought my Forums, I was told that any size tom available in that series could be ordered seperately from Pearl. I just didn't feel like waiting 3 months for them to come. Which is why I got the 2 12" and 2 13" toms. So now that we're all on the same page, which ones have you decided on??

[J_Myers]

Originally posted by Mohadiib1
LOL. OK. Sorry, I guess you did start this thread. I don't know how we got off on Forums. But to bring things back down to earth, if I had it to do again I would get fusion sizes, be they Export or Forum or whatever.The 12's aren't hard to tune but the 13's sometimes give me fits.I do have an 8" and 10" concert toms, but I think they would sound better as regular toms. When I bought my Forums, I was told that any size tom available in that series could be ordered seperately from Pearl. I just didn't feel like waiting 3 months for them to come. Which is why I got the 2 12" and 2 13" toms. So now that we're all on the same page, which ones have you decided on??

I am going to get the Fusion sizes. 10, 12,and 14. Then as soon as I can Im going to get the ElX-6F (which is a 16x14 stand mounted floor tom) and a 8X10. But ,,now I dont know if I want to wait and try to get one of the new color ELX's that I saw on the NAMM page. Those colors are awsome.
What do the concert toms have different?

[Mohadiib1]

The concert toms have no bottom head or hardware, and they're not as deep. 8"x 5" and 10"x 6". They sound kinda Jamaican.

[JEFFa.k.a.ANIMAL]

J_Myers, I have a fusion setup (10,12,14,16,all rack toms) which I have tuned very low(just until the wrinkles on the heads disappear), and the sound I get would rival any standard kit setup tuned regularly. I get very deep sounds from the toms, almost as if the drums were 12,14,16,18. You'll just have to experiment with tuning to get the sound u want, but I don't think you'll be disappointed with the fusion setup.

[Lil_drummer_girl]

i got standard sizes wen i got my elx :)
i luv em sound heaps good

[J_Myers]

Originally posted by JEFFa.k.a.ANIMAL
J_Myers, I have a fusion setup (10,12,14,16,all rack toms) which I have tuned very low(just until the wrinkles on the heads disappear), and the sound I get would rival any standard kit setup tuned regularly. I get very deep sounds from the toms, almost as if the drums were 12,14,16,18. You'll just have to experiment with tuning to get the sound u want, but I don't think you'll be disappointed with the fusion setup.


This is great,, just what I wanted to hear.. What kind of heads do you have ,, and do you use any type of muffling on the toms or bass

[JEFFa.k.a.ANIMAL]

J_Myers, I use two-ply heads on all toms, snare(coated), and batter side of the kick, and the stock reso heads. Powerstroke 3 on the reso side of the kick. I sometimes use the Aquarian studio rings on the toms only because I like the mellow, focused and warm sound it gives the toms. I have a piece of mattress pad foam, about 17" long, rolled up and held together with tape, inside the kick just touching both heads on the kick for muffling. Besides that i don't use any other muffling.

[weps]

Just wanted to add that I've been seeing a lot of "fusion" kits (10,12,14 all hanging) with add on 16x16 floor toms lately. Whether it's from the drummer's choice or what was available fast, I couldn't say.

I WILL say that TAMA has a Starclassic (or Performer) 5pc set listed from NAMM with an 18x22 bass, 8x10, 9x12 toms, and a 16x16 floor. I forget the new classification name used, something like power accel? Drum size groupings start with the drummers, not the manufacturers. SO they must be seeing it around, too.

So get whatever you think you think you'll like the sound of.

weps