Cymbols: Zildjian vs Sabian vs Paiste

[Henster3000]

I'm a beginner and I have the regular 3 pack Pearl cymbols ( Hi-Hat & ride) and a splash and a crash Zildjian ZBT Plus. Should I stick with the Zildjian's and get rid of Pearl or get new cymbols altogether.

Lil' Drummer Henry

[Lars1991]

Listen to me lil' henry, if i where you would get rid of those pearl cymbals (cuz they totally suck ***) and stick with your zildjians. they are good, realiable cymbals. trust me, they work great in hard rock situations.

PS good luck with your drumming!!!!

Thanx

[Henster3000]

Thanks man, I'm goin to get ride of them, just wanted to here what you guys had to say.

[Lars1991]

No problem man, any time

Thanx:D :D :D

[bigshuby182]

Lars has got it right. Those ZBT plus's are probably fine for you, unless you really hate the sound. Replace the high hat and crash as soon as you can.

[JonathanAKAgod]

I don't know if anybody has been reading other posts, but apparently, Lars1991's cousin has posted a thread under lars' screenname informing people of a car accident and lars didn't make it. i am not joking, and this is not meant to be cruel or mean in anyway. see for yourself in the chit chat section of the forum.

[Vinny Ozborne,]

Heartbreaking... Pay Lars the respect & get the Zildjians, you cant go wrong anyway.

[Bierce85]

You know what? Zildjian sucks, and Lars dieing doesn't change that. Paiste's the best, plain and simple.

[Bigjohn]

I've replaced all my Pearl Pro cymbals with
A. Zildjians, except I'm still using the Pearl
Pro 16" crash, it just sounds really good
for a budget cymbal.

[Tabla_Man]

Originally posted by Bierce85
You know what? Zildjian sucks, and Lars dieing doesn't change that. Paiste's the best, plain and simple.

Why would you say Zildjian sucks? That's a pretty ignorant statement. I've heard good stuff from all the big 3 cymbal companies, I've also heard stuff that sounds horrible like the Paiste Rude and Colorsound, but Paiste makes some great stuff as well.

If you ever heard a Constantinople K you wouldn't say that about Zildjian.

[MIA_Drümer]

hooray, more "my stuff is good which means everything else is crap"... I play Sabian and I like 'em, but i'm sure I could find cymbals i'd love from zildjian and paiste (i've heard a hundred different pronounciations of their brand name) as well.

[Tabla_Man]

exactly there's nice stuff from all 3 companies. Alot of people buy into alot of the hype and advertising.

[JonathanAKAgod]

I talked to a guy who either worked there, or had a giant connection with Paiste, he knew everything about them, he was like a walking encyclopedia, and i was wondering how its correctly pronounced also. He says that the company pronounces the name "Pie-stee".

[MIA_Drümer]

my fave is when people say "pasty"
'hey man, I play pasty cymbals..'

[Pyrotechnic]

Survery: How do YOU pronounce paiste ?

[MIA_Drümer]

pie-stee

[drumfool]

I've always said it the right way.

[jkris]

pie-stee. they sound good for recording, but they always seem to break too early for me. same thing with most zildjians, although they sound so great i buy them anyway. for me, sabian seems to last the longest and sound very good too. i usually buy those.

[Bierce85]

If you ever heard a Constantinople K you wouldn't say that about Zildjian.I own a Constantinople and I like it a lot. What I'm saying is, Zildjian does not deserve to be thought of as tht top cymbal company. There's better, more consistant stuff coming from Sabian and Paiste, especially Paiste.

And it rhyms with "feisty". If you say it any other way you're saying it wrong.

[brettjackson]

Did you know...

Zildjian and Sabian are truly the same cymbals. The CEO of Sabian is Bob Zildjian, which evolved from a family dispute years ago when the father died.

Sabian's are the better bang for the buck, Zildjian has a stronger brand name, and Paiste's are made an entirely different way.

If you're choosing between Zildjian and Sabian, go Sabian.

Thanks

[mperry29]

yes paiste rhymes with feisty. why does everyone pronounce it pay stee???

[mperry29]

i'm not sure why you would say sabians and zildjians are the same cymbal. yes, sabian did evolve from zildjian but that's the point, they evolved. their line is different from zildjian's in any number of ways, though i still play paiste because they (in my opinion) of the 3 biggies, are the most unique overall...

[mperry29]

i agree with bierce85, i think the most consistent cymbal (and i've heard this from several reputable sources) is paiste. in other words, if you heard and like the 17" full signature crash at one place, you can bet that the 17" full crash you buy a year later will sound the same. zildjian has received some not so great press recently with various publications stating their line sounds too much the same and in many cases incosistent. to me you can't beat that paiste high end shimmer and the overall musicality of the sound...

to those who say paiste cymbals break too easily (or for those who say that any cymbals break too easily), you're either 1. not choosing the correct cymbal for the right job, i.e. thin crashes for hard rock or metal or 2. and most importantly, you're not hitting the cymbals correctly. if you hit a cymbal with a glancing motion instead of a dead on assault, you will rarely if ever break a cymbal. i've got 3 paiste sig. cymbals that i've had for over 10yrs.(i play a lot of loud rock) with no problems...the only cymbals i've ever broken were the piece of **** camber entry level cymbals i got with my first piece of **** drumset, and back then i didn't know how to strike a cymbal...

[Henster3000]

This post went longer than I expected and today I spend $500 and got Zildjian ZBT Plus & A Custom cymbols.

hen

[Tabla_Man]

I think you are confusing what some would term "inconsistancies" with Zildjian, with craftsmanship and artwork which is "traditional" cymbal making.

Zildjian even admits that, "no two zildjians sound alike". As far as I know Zildjian is the only cymbal company that offers cymbals that are 100% hand hammerd and hand lathed.

If you're an internet shopper Zildjian is not your cymbal company, because chances are you'll be dissapointed. You have to know what you need and what you're looking for in a cymbal before you purchase one. If you're playing in a Thrash metal band than a 20" K Custom is probably not the cymbal for you. Conversely if you play be-bop, don't go and buy a 22" Z heavy ride.

Also I often test the "flex" capability of a cymbal by trying to bend it over my knee. If I want a 17" thin crash, then the cymbal should be very flexible, but also return easily to it's original bowed resting state. If I'm looking at ride cymbals, it should be at least 1.25 mm thick and should be extremely stiff.

Basically to sum it up, if you wan't to play Zildjians, you have to find "your sound". And they're hundreds of sounds and effects to choose from.

[bazz2883]

I use Zildgen cymbols m8 and i have been playing 4 5 years yove made a good choice in the cymbols you have choose

[Eleven]

my advice is to follow your ear, throw away the catalog and visit your local drum shop, most will allow you to try out anything in stock and give you all the advice they have, but me personally I would choose Zildjian (especialy if you're looking for a good entry level cymbol) the other brands don't last nearly as long

[ReGsCG60]

Hmmm guess i'm the only one here using UFIP..... I've heard a lot of cymbals and had a few Paiste 's but i'm sold on UFIP. I have never heard anything better and it's really handmade (some other brands say it is but it really isn't or only partial). They are probably easier to get here in Europe...

[Pearl-man]

Okay, this has intrigued me. As a new drummer (and having a blast): I get Paiste (pie-ste) and Sabian. But what is the correct pronunciation of Zildjian. I've heard "zil-jun", "zidi-gun" and even "zi-jhan"(as in Fr. Jean). I know it's anal but, hey, we all want to know what we're talking about, right? ;)

[mperry29]

it is in fact, zil-jin or some close proximity thereof...

[Tabla_Man]

We've been talking about the big 3 so much that I think some attention is deserved to some of the smaller manufacturers.

Istanbul makes a great cymbal. They are made in the original Zildjian factory in Istanbul (Constantanople), and they do a great job.

[JC]

Lets see. This is all you need for your 4 basic set.

1) 13" Paiste Signature Heavy Hi-Hats.
2) 20" K Heavy Ride. (Zildjian)
3) 16" K Constantinople Crash. (Zildjian)

If you have that. Your all set man! Im now working on getting the Paiste Hats, they are the best man!!! And for a good price too!

-JC :p

[dblbassmassacre]

paiste is my company i love them.

ive never tried a zildjian, i think i will tho

[Underdog]

I like Zildjian and Sabian. I was at Guitar Center yesterday, and fell in love with a 20" K Cutom Dark Ride, and 14" HHX Groove Hats. I like low deep rides, and the K Custom was just awesome!!

[drumsRfun]

honestly, sabians lower end(b8) cymbals definetly, without a doubt kick the hell out of the zildjian zbt's... i own the sabians and my neighbor has the zildjian zbts...the sabians just have a much more natural, cutting , musical sound....the zbt's sound like trash cans...once at a gig i used my cymbals 14" b8 hats, 18" b8 crash ride, 14 inch aa sabian crash, and my neighbors cymbals 10" sabian pro sonix splash, 20" zbt ride, and 16" zbt crash, and i hardly touched those zbts...i wouldnt even bring his hi hats they are horrible...as for higher end cymbals, i like zildjian z and a customs...its just me though...anyway i dont know if this even helped anyone or if im just an *** wasting his time...lol later bros

[jkris]

I prefer sabians all the way, but zildjians zbt PLUS aren't so bad. I have a zbt plus china and plus sp[lash and they are really quite good for cheap cymbals. all my other cymbals are regular sabians and they keep up with them quite well.

[drumsRfun]

well i wasnt using the plus's, just the normal lower zbt they sucked i dont know what anyone says

[jkris]

yeah, i wasn't saying zbts didn't suck, just merely pointing out the plusses were surprisingly good. i have all sabians except those. i had a zildjian scimitar crash once, and that was a flimsy piece of trash that sounded like hitting aluminum foil.

[Phi]

I thought Zildjians were no longer hand hammered but Sabians still are??? :confused: :confused:

Phi :cool:

[Tabla_Man]

Phi all Zildjian and Sabian cymbals are machine hammered except for Zildjian's K series and Oriental series, and Sabian's HHX series and some of their select signature series like the Jack DeJonet series.

[drumsRfun]

whats a zildjian scimitar crash i dont think ive heard of those

[Tabla_Man]

The schimitar series was a entry level cymbal that has been discontinued by Zildjian. The ZBT's and ZXT's are of much higher quality.

[powermatt99]

I don't really have a preference. I have played Sabians and Zildjians, but I use Sabians now. Not because I am a one brand man, but because they all sound good together. I am more than impressed with Sabians Pro line of entry level cymbals. I use the Pro Ride because it was the exact sound I was looking for. On one occasion I had the oportunity to play a set with UFIP cymbals. Those were really incredible sounding cymbals. I went to price them though, and I don't think that they are in my immediate future.

[PADman]

Originally posted by Tabla_Man
Phi all Zildjian and Sabian cymbals are machine hammered except for Zildjian's K series and Oriental series, and Sabian's HHX series and some of their select signature series like the Jack DeJonet series.

Tabla, here's a quote from Zildjian:

"We at Zildjian no longer hand hammer our cymbals and have not done so since the 1930s."

http://www.zildjian.com/zevents.asp?ID=63

[Tabla_Man]

Yes, pure "Hand Hammering" is a myth, meaning they're not using a hammer and an anvil to make your cymbal.

Really Sabian has been most attributed with creating this myth, by naming their cymbals "HHX" which I assume stands for Hand Hammered......Xylophone???
:)

I don't think Paiste ever denied the fact that their cymbal making process heavily relies on computer technology. This was their whole marketing angle in fact, that your 16" crash would sound exactly like Jo Blow's 16" crash. The only way to get that kind of consistancy is with computer operated machinery.

With Zildjians new set of K's they have gone back to more "tradtional" hammering and lathing processes, (which basically means a guy hand operating a machine lathe, and a guy hand operating a piston hammer.

So I should say, what I mean by "hand hammered" cymbals is randomly placed hammer marks over the cymbal such as the Zildjian K and the Sabian HHX have.

[TLD]

I don't know, I have a ton of paiste literature, and I've never seen anything about computer tonal matching. What I've seen is man-runned pneumatic hammering. (still controlled by a person). And all the pics I've seen have some guy standing there testing the newly made cymbals with the master cymbals from the vault BY EAR. If paiste was so proud of their computer technology, why haven't I ever heard about it? Is it supposed to be a secret that the public can't know about?

And on another note, "Signature Alloy" Paiste's secret fozmula is by far the best sounding metal alloy out there. And I it will be until they're patent runs out of juice. My only beef with the Signature line is that they break to quickly. And yes, I do believe I hit my cymbals correctly, and I do believe that breaking cymbals is natural, you can't avoid it. All of you who say "your doing it wrong!" don't obviously know what it is to be a true hard hitter. I play heavy music, but I still prefer the sonic qualities of the Signature line, which in my opinion IS the weakest. So I end up using the big fast crashes, which I love, and due to their thinness and my never ending crash-riding assault, they do tend to break. And there no hiding it, signatures are a weaker cymbal compared to others. BUT that is their only flaw, other than that, they are the best cymbals in the whole market these days.

[Tabla_Man]

It's not computer tonal matching, it's the Lathing process that is where most of the tonal qualities are worked out, where they do use computer controlled machines.

Most of the 'man-runned' pneumatic hammering, occurs after the cymbal has been hammered by a machine, this is true of all the big three cymbal companies. Any company who says otherwise is lying, there's no way that Zildjian, Sabian, or Paiste could meet their market demands without machine hammering. The only company that I know of that might do 100% hand hammering (with a machine) is Istanbul, but they have a much smaller market.

As far as the flaw you mentioned in the signature line. That's a pretty big flaw. Yes all cymbals from all companies will sometimes break, but they should not break easily or often. Certain types of cymbals like splash cymbals will break faster than others, but in general cymbals should not break. I have cymbals that are 40 years old, and they've never been damaged.

I'm not going to question your technique, but I do see alot of people (including professionals) set their cymbals up the wrong way and or hit them the wrong way, which will cause them to break more easily.

[Lukus]

Has anyone seen that Paiste video where Nicko McBrain shows how cymbals are made, its well funny :p

[Tabla_Man]

Originally posted by Lukus
Has anyone seen that Paiste video where Nicko McBrain shows how cymbals are made, its well funny :p

No I haven't. What happened?

[Massmusic.net]

Zildjian and Sabian are actually made from the same cymbal process.
In fact, the owner of Sabian is Bob Zildjian.
Sabian has a better value on their cymbals. But because of Zildjian's long history, their perception is of higher value.

Paiste is a good line as long as you stick to the higher grade of cymbals.

[Tabla_Man]

Yes both Sabian and Istanbul are off shoots from Zildjian. Sabian being Zildjians former Canadian factory, and Istanbul being made in Zildjians former factory in Turky. There's even a Zildjian who works for Istanbul, but is probably a distant relative. Not like Bob and Armand who are brothers.

I don't know what you mean by "Sabian has better value on their cymbals". I like alot of Sabian's stuff, but I've never heard any thing they made that makes me want to switch out all my Zildjian. If I had my coice of anything, I'd probably be playing Istanbul, but they are not as redily availible as Zildjian.

Paiste makes good stuff, but it just doesn't fit my tastes.

[Brk]

Hey Folks, interesting discussion !

I'm just back from Paiste.com and I must tell you a sad News:


Toomas Paiste Passes Away...

To the world wide music community

It is my sad duty to inform you that my father Toomas Paiste had a terrible accident last Friday night. While taking an evening walk at the ocean in Spain, he fell off a shore wall onto the rocks. He did not regain consciousness and could not be revived at the accident site. He died from his injuries.


See Yourself at, http://www.paiste.com/pop_up_toomas.html

[Brk]

Sh*** !

I live 30 milles away from Nottwil, a small Village on the Lake Sempach with few Houses and Paiste Factory. Friend of mine work there, and I visited him few times.

God Bless You Mr Paiste.

[Tabla_Man]

Very tragic news indeed. My thoughts and prayers go out to the family.

[Lukus]

No I haven't. What happened?

Nicko McBrain just goes through the whole cymbal making process on one of his signature rides, it's really funny :p (and quite informative :D)

[Tom Reyns]

I just play for 3 months, i've only played pearl-cymbals. But if they get trashed i want another one. What do you guys recomment???

[mittad]

in my humble opinion, after trying Sabian and Zildjian at home and in the store, nothing compares to the Paiste Signature Series. And I also pronounce it exactly how most people here described, pie-stee.
I have read where some people think they break easily but I have yet to break one of mine.
I am the proud owner of:
14" Dark Crisp Hi Hats
14" Fast Crash
15" Fast Crash
16"Fast Crash
17" Full Crash
18" Full Crash
8" Splash
10" Splash
12" Splash
21" Dry Heavy Ride
18" Heavy China
all Signature Series.
I don't think there is a better sounding cymbal on the market.
Can anyone guess my favorite drummer from my cymbal setup?

[jkris]

I don't know who your favorite drummer is by the cymbal set up, I don't pay that much attention to who plays what. (Sorry to the marketing departments of percussion companies.) You do have a ton of cymbals though, and it sounds like a cool set up.

[Warhamster]

Zildjian is the best!! But, I do like the Sabian AAX 14" Hi-Hats.

Yay!! This is my one hundredth post!!!

[Nez]

Cool set up - you seem to have a very versatile set up with so many sizes covered.

I can't really compare different ranges as I've not tried enough different models, but I'm sure all the big companies (and some of those smaller ones) make some great cymbals and it's very much a case of personal taste - there's such a huge range of sounds available.

I personally have started my collection of Sabian with a ProSonix performance set, plus the AA El Sabor splash (13") all of which I like a lot, though I have plans for plenty more yet :D
Now if I could just get the kit to go with them.... :rolleyes:

[lemuelp311]

hi all
i need some feed back
what do u all think of the sabian Hand Hammered cymbals??? cos i jus bought 5 of them and i need some assurance as usual

[BRIG6366]

I prefer Paiste cymbals. The Signatures are beautiful sounding cymbals and I've always loved the 2002's for their glassy shimmer.

That being said, I'm very impressed with the Sabian HHX Evolution series. The crashes in particular are very explosive but thin. I would not trade my Signatures for them, but if I purchased an additional set of cymbals, I'd go with the new Sabians.

[PureRockFury]

Lem Sabian's HH (Hand Hammered) line are absolutely amazing! They are so musical, warm, dark, bright (depends what you get), the blend well, and are just beautiful. What Sabian HH cymbals did you get?

[lemuelp311]

Oh yea
i bought the performance and the effects pack...
it consits of 14" regular hi hats, 20"medium ride, 16" medium thin crash, 10"splash a Chiina

so what do u think about my set up?

[PureRockFury]

A very good setup. They are highly versitile. HH line by Sabian just kicks ***! I'm more into art rock and I need heavier cymbals. I'm probably buying the HH 20" Medium Heavy Ride or the HH 20" Rock Ride. And for the hats I'm going 14" AAX Stage Hats. They are so bright and cutting, I love them! And crashes I have no tastes, they have to shimmer and blend well. They can't be too overpowering or not enough power. I use Zildjians right now but I am switching over to all Sabian soon! I love Sabian and the good thing about them is they are Canadian and so am I. They are only a few provinces away (I'm in Ontario)

[lemuelp311]

ohyea another lover of HH!

so do u get it cheap cos its iin canada?

[PureRockFury]

No actually equipment such as drums, cymbals, heads are quite expensive! We have sales tax added all of our prices (almost everything). We have what is called GST (government sales tax) that is 7% added to your item. And we (ontario) have PST (provincial sales tax) which is 8%. So if you have a price of $299.00 to find your total price you multiply the price by 1.15 and you'll have your total price. $299.00 x 1.15 or (15% sales tax) = $343.85. So how expensive items can get?!?!

[Unjust]

I play with Zildjian's and they are the best sounding. My first set of Zildjian's I got from a friend of mine I still use because the sound is so intense. I am looking at getting a Zildjian Ice Bell, a bigger China and another splash, plus a Zildjian gong.

[snowsyd]

I have a 22 inch Zildjin Amir ride. Can anybody give me any info on this cymbol?

[BRIG6366]

I'm going off memory here so if I'm incorrect about anything hopefully someone else will jump in.

The Amir line was produced by Zildjian in the early 80's. I'm pretty sure they were made from the B8 formula as opposed to the B20 alloy used in the A's and K's.

They were priced lower than the A's but were still considered a professional level cymbal. I remember at that time seeing a picture in the Ask a Pro column of Modern Drummer of Carmine Appice playing them.

[Cyber-Bix]

I think you shold test a cymbal before you buy it. If you like its sound you buy it, otherwise you don't. I had to choose between sabian prosonic china and a ufip bionic china. I mounted them on two different stands and i tried them. Finally i decided to buy the ufip.

Bix.

[Henster3000]

thankz guys, has anybody tried the ZXT's yet? I heard they are just like ZBT.

[September]

From personal experience with the cymbals you listed the best thing for you to go with is Sabian. Sabian cymbals sound good and are affordable. But if you have the money go with anything that your sound calls for. Take care!

[Rooner]

I have all sabian's which were recommended to me and to be honest they have been very good. Eventhough they are only the Pro series the build quality and finish is great. I've added a couple of HHX's to my Pro's and they seem to fit in very well.

[jddrummer666]

I love my Zildjian A's. In my opinion Paiste arent worth the money that they are sold for. However they're very good quality and sound good but I dont think they're much better than Zildjian. Some Sabian is fairly good.

[Baunche]

I'd just like to say that ALL 3 companies are great! I use cymbals from Zildjian, Sabian, and Paiste in my set-up. None of them suck, that is for sure. They all make some really cool cymbals and ****. However, i must admit that i do like the sound os Zildjians a bit more than the other, but the others still kick ***! To just go off and say that one company "Sucks ***" is a ****in retarted statement.

Live hard, party harder!!!!!

[1109]

I started out with ZBT Hi Hats, and let me tell you I hate the sound. Now I have New Beats, they sound good, but the Mastersounds are even better.

[FunK Maestro]

I use a Chunky Zildjian Z Ride, KZ Hats and A brilliant A custom Crash. I'd chose my Zildjian's over Sabain's...but there both made with love and care. However, i don't think i've ever been in the presence of a nice paiste cymbal. (And doubt i would ever purchase one)

[cuznred7]

I prefer Sabians to Zildjians for the main reason that Sabian is every bit as good as Zildjian for less money. Another reason to shop Sabian is they're allways expanding and experimenting. try the aax or the aa line. If you are on a budget there is also their pro sonix line which sound fine for the money.

[benf]

I don't know why it is, but whenever i try out a Zildjian A/A Custom or even K (perhaps not the K Customs), i just dont like the sound. Perhaps it is because i know they are Zildjian and that i am prejudice but I fail to see why everyone raves about them so much. When i play the SABIANs, (mainly AA and AAX) they generally sound better than the zildjians. However, over all three, i prefer Paistes. Generally. Despite the cost difference (and it is even more pronouced over in the UK) i just think they are better sounding cymbals all round.

This said... i did hear a lovely A Custom 18" Crash that was 2-3 years old the other day. Sounded ace! I think it still all comes down to the sound. The best way to pick a cymbal..... Line up a few that you think you want, put on a blindfold, and whack em' see what sounds best... point to it, and take off the blindfold. Sound is key, name is nothing. :D

[zildjianelx]

hey man, the new line of Zildjian, the ZXT's are sick man! i got the ZXT rock set. its awesome! great sound, its a sick package.
ever hear boxcar racer? well the ZXT's are what Travis used to record that album with. so check em out!
also the Z's and Z customs are sick.
sabian is aight, the AAXplosion is good line, i have the 18" china, its balls.
-brad

[benf]

Wow.... i've yet to hear the new ZXT range, im not sure if they've hit the UK, but one thing i can say, is that the ZBT and the ZBT-Plus range are not a patch on the sabian B8 and Pro lines. I was playing both at a mates house, and the ZBT's were just so clangy, even when really hit...... the B8's and the Pro's come into their own at volume. Hope the ZXT's are similar, cos good sheet cymbals almost always = good china's and rides in my opinion. :D

[Sticks660]

I use Zildjian for my ride and Paiste for my crash, it is just personel preferance they are both great cymbols.

[Stix]

Generally, all 3 of those companies are like brothers.They all make quality cymbals, which is why its so hard to choose (i'm in that situation myself!) However - Sabian cater for a hobbiest needs better than anyone else - the B8 range are very good, much better than the ZBT's in my opinion.

[Axe]

I have Paiste Signatures that turned 10 this month, and havent had any breakage problems. I'm especially amazed at the 12" splash-Ive been expecting that to crack for years, for all the abuse it takes.

Remember those Sabian Roctagons? My god what a cymbal! You could only use it once a night, cause it was sooooooooo friggin' loud! I sold mine but later got it back, and god knows what the guy did to it, but it basically sounds like a dinner plate now, no cymbal quality to it at all, yet it isnt cracked in any way. Go figure.

As I've said before, I really loved the Paiste Colorsound crashes-I wish theyd bring them back.

I even bought a Pearl Wild 16" crash for $40 many moons ago-and I LOVED this thing! It only lasted a month, but what a month it was!

What was this thread about anyway??!!

[dRuTcH]

Originally posted by zildjianelx
.
ever hear boxcar racer? well the ZXT's are what Travis used to record that album with. so check em out!
-brad

Where did u find that out?

[Rooner]

I got a 20" Avedis crash-ride the other day and tried it on the monday rehersal and to be quite honest was very unimpressed with it. The build quality seems inferior to my Sabian's and within 20 minutes it was quite clear that my 20" Pro - Sonix ride was a much better quality cymbal in everyway. Maybe it is just a duff cymbal but I don't think I will be rushing out to get any more.

Rooner

[Sticks660]

My Paiste sound formula 16 inch full crash is 10 also it keeps going strong. I also loved the color sound line, I had a 10 inch splash with an awsome sound. Used it in alot of Rush songs, I am still bummed about selling my old set with it.

[Fredzs]

ive never heard the signatures, but damn! Zildjian's Constantinople Line just ROCKS!!! my teacher has a 16" Constantinople Crash and 21" Big Band Ride, THEY ROCK!! I LOVE THE RIDE, its Medium heavy and has a very nice wash to it, it can be crashed as well, he is a Zildjian Endorser.. lucky bastard, i think he has 30 cymbals just lying around there, hell, he even has a zildjian gong, he's also a premier and shure endorser, i wanna be like him... dammit!

[Dry]

i mainly lik zild's.. i hav a k custom dry ride 20", k 15" thin crash(wonderful litto thing..) , k custom dark crash 16" i must say that when i heard this cymbal by itself i was very unimpressed it had lik a trashy quality to it that didnt seem to stick..but when i was playin a set with the 16" k cust. and som other cymbals, it mixed soo well! it crazy stuff..mite jus be me, but i also lik sabian..i hav a pair of 14" hats HHX evos and they are awesome! som say it has a plastiky sound..but i personally lik it..im think bout mixin it with a A custom ______ hi hat bottom..mabe to get a smoother wash out of it when its open..but weel see.. i think all the 3 brand hav somthin to contribute...paiste with their sig. mellow crash's O.O soooo awesome...sabians AAXplosions are awesome along with the HHXevos...until i get more money tho my options are somewhat limited =P

[ShroominDrummer]

I don't think there is a better cymbol in terms of sound. It's all based on opinion. Personally I play all three, sabian, zildjioan and paiste. I just find what I like from each company, and that fits is with the rest of what I have.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

I use both sabian and Zildjian. I've never tried any other cymbals so I can't say if I like them or not

[drummerlc_uk]

I've got sabian cymbals, and they rule over n e other cymbals!!:D

[FillipBell]

i've been using all sabian AAX's for the past few years, but just bought a Zildjian 18" A custom crash and i love it, so i think I'm goin to trade all the Sabians in for Zildjians, just to try them out, who knows I may decide to go back to Sabian in a few years, but I'll never know if I like Zildjians unless I try. I might hang on to my 19" AAXtreme china though.

[lttldrmrboy]

personaly i use Zildjans because they were what i first bought but if their is anyone out there who is new to buying cymbals and cant decide....as far as i know zildjans and sabians are made with the exact same formula because originaly they were the same company but broke into two so they are pretty much the same...from my experiance they are both great cymbals

[MIA_Drümer]

what i'd really like to do is a cymbal test sometime...
for example, get a 16" crash of every type from paiste zildjian and sabian... there'd be like 100 i know, but do a blind test where you can't tell which ones are which, get about 10 drummers, and go thru them all, take an afternoon, and choose the top 20, then see which they after. that would be quite the promo for a well well well stocked drum store...!

[Maark]

I'm a PAiSTe user... Since I'm a student of 15 only getting £20.75 per week, I need cymbals that are fairly cheap but high quality... A PAiSTe 302 14" crash is only £22 from Poole Percussion (my nearest dealer), so I went with the P. I have got an RM 8" bell though, and I'm considering getting a 9.5 Zil-bel.

[lttldrmrboy]

i'm still saying, all you people who are woried about Zildjian and sabian they are the next to the exact same cymbol formula. they were a brother owned company and the brothers had a falling out and split into two so dont worry about what the print on your cymbol says as long as you like the sound you are getting from them it doesnt matter what company they are from

[Maark]

Well, that's something I never knew! I'll have to tell me drum teacher that sometime!

If given a Sabian/Zildjain choice, I'd prolly go with Sabian. I personally think Zil cymbals sound a little trashy... =/ Each to his own, I guess.

[griffix]

Im zildjian all the way. i tried everythin else i could find but theyre the ones that do it for me.

[roberto01]

well I think that what you think is the best that is the one for me the best are sabian zildjian and istambul I haven´t tryed the paiste I only have an alpha paiste 16.
: P

[jddrummer666]

I always thought that Paiste were the most expensive. I guess thats cuz i was looking at the Signature line. I guess each company has a series that cost as much as the equivalant series to all the other companies. I heard that when Zildjian were still in Turkey one of the brothers wanted to leave to America to make cymbals but the other wanted to keep the tradition in Turkey and the Zildjian name was brought to America and the other brother started Instanbul cymbals. I also heard that another brother who owned the company wanted to have Zildjian cymbals made in Canada since i guess its cheaper. So then the brother who wanted them in canada left to start Sabian. I agree that it doenst matter what name they have on them. Just buy what you like and what you think sounds good.

[drdrums]

I've heard the same about Sabian and Zildjian - they were brothers. Sabian is supposedly an acronym for SAlly, BIlly, ANdy - the three relatives (to Zildjian?) that started the company. As for formula, both companies use the same alloy.

What I find interesting is that the same alloy Zildjian (and Sabian for that matter) uses in their budget line cymbals (8% Tin, I believe) is used by Paiste for their 2002, Dimensions, and Innovations lines, which are all pro-class. Zildjian/Sabian alloy, by comparison, is 20% tin. I don't think Paiste uses that formula for anything. Their Signature formula is, according to the patent, 13-18% Tin. The Signature line sounds the best/most musical to me, of the Paiste lines. Traditionals are a close second (and made from the same alloy).

Personally, I have a mix of Zildjian (A and K Custom) and Paiste (Signature mostly, one 2002 and one Sound Formula). I'm seriously contemplating a set of Sabian 13" HH fusion hats.

They're all great once you get to the high end stuff. Paistes are a tad more pricey. Basically, buy what sounds good to you - that's all that matters. I love Paiste; I generally prefer their sound, but when it came to a 17" Traditional Thin Crash (Paiste) and my 17" K Custom Dark, the Zildjian won out - it just sounded nicer.

My .02 worth.

[Maark]

Originally posted by jddrummer666
I always thought that Paiste were the most expensive. I guess thats cuz i was looking at the Signature line. I guess each company has a series that cost as much as the equivalant series to all the other companies. I heard that when Zildjian were still in Turkey one of the brothers wanted to leave to America to make cymbals but the other wanted to keep the tradition in Turkey and the Zildjian name was brought to America and the other brother started Instanbul cymbals. I also heard that another brother who owned the company wanted to have Zildjian cymbals made in Canada since i guess its cheaper. So then the brother who wanted them in canada left to start Sabian. I agree that it doenst matter what name they have on them. Just buy what you like and what you think sounds good.

Probably, for instance the cheapest good cymbal set (Sabian solars are poor-*** qualitah) you can get is a PAiSTe 302 for about £125 - A Zildjain set of the same level is around £180, and a Sabian costs about the same as the Zil.

[punkkk21]

I'm sure I'm going to get ripped on for this, but I think Wuhan makes a good cymbal...

[dRuTcH]

Originally posted by punkkk21
I'm sure I'm going to get ripped on for this, but I think Wuhan makes a good cymbal...

Wuhan makes relly good cymbals, but sometimes i think that they are over rated just because they are made in China. Everyone is like, "China cymbals that are made in China?? Must be good."

But i'm not complaining, Asian Pride.:D

[Gord The Drummer]

You know that the Pearl Cymbals are made by Sabian correct? But, I love Zildjian so I'm gonna say go Zildjian.

[mikelumer]

Of course you should buy what sounds best to you and also what fits within the EQ spectrum of your kit with the least amount of peak overlap... In that you want your cymbals to cut through for live and recording purposes, so you don't want the same peaks on your high-hats and your splashes/crashes or snare for that matter.
I'm just a huge Sabian whore because I always play really hard, and Sabian has the best warranty policy I've ever dealt with. That and the peeps up there are pretty cool on the phone.:D

Now if only I could get an endorsement... AAX HERE I COME, BABY!!

[Maark]

I've decided to change to Raymond Meinl Cast Bronze Classics now - I tested a few out today at Jon Stotry's place (seeing as it's a guitar shop mainly he keeps only Meinl cymbals there) and I LOVED THEM. 16" medium crash and 20" powerful ride. GREAT SOUND.

[AntiConformist]

I had never heard about barker using zxt's for any recording. that's rather odd. OCDP kit + ZXT cymbals = sac religious

[Kell]

Personally I prefer Sabian to all the others. I play a mix of AA, AAX and HH with the exception of my hats which are Paiste 400's. For me, everything else sounds to tinny in sound, like theres a lot of metal in there. Sabian's I find brighter and a bit more shimmering on the ear. Thats just me anyway.

[apathy6]

i got me some paistes now i use to have some zildjian but they cracked both are really good so yeah throw your pearl cymbals away they are crap

[Henster3000]

guys I found out that not all of the sounds in each set of the cymbols are the same

[Gord The Drummer]

What are you talking about? No two cymbals sound the same, there are too many variables that affect how each cymbal sound. as I said before, I prefer Zildjian's, they have a very good sound, it's very classy and they are top quality. Plus, I've heard a few people knock Zildjians, but if you look at the very top drummers in the world, what do they play? (I mean the top, you'll have to do research to find this one out... I'm not talking popular people... I'm talking the top drummer's who are very modest and don't like the publicity.)

[Rooner]

I'm slowly upgrading my Pro-Sonix too HHXtreme's including the Dave Weckl 14" china. My Pro's have been a good starter but the Quality of the HH and HHX range is superb. I recently got a Zildjian Avedis crash ride and promptly got rid as I found it awful but the someone else might love it.

[sk8drummer]

I understand if Zildjian is above Paiste, because they make some good ****. Im a paiste lover tho. but why is sabian in second. i mean, no offense but sabian just sucks. now i no they can make some good stuff. but theyre still a piece of crap. boycott sabian.

[apathy6]

dude i so agree with you man i hate sabians they suck

[dutchdrummer]

I love my Sabian Pro's. They're cutting through everything. And they're affordable.

I tried a Paiste Alpha 14" crash once (I know, cheap cymbal). But I really had to smash it very hard to get any volume out of it. Then I tried the Sabian Pro's. I ended up buying those....

Greetings

[Henster3000]

lots of help guys thanx

[Drumguy]

It depends mainly on your budget. If you can afford Zildjian cymbals, by all means, get them. Sabian cymbals are a little bit cheaper. Sabian makes some good crashes, but don't get a Sabian China; they sound terrible. Zildjian makes some KILLER Hi-Hats and Rides. If doesn't matter to you, get a Sabian crash and Zildjian Hi-Hats, or something similar.

[dRuTcH]

Sabian=best hi hats ( AA, AAX omg.....they sound good.)
Zildjian=Best rides
Wuahn=Best chinas (if u like trashy)
Paiste=I dunno they make good cymbals but nothing stands out

[Rooner]

I don't understand why some people have such a downer on Sabians. If you look at this years Modern Drummer consumer poll Sabian took top honours with 50.3% of the vote compared to Zildjian who only got 38.7%. Paiste got 12.3% so to me it's quite clear what company is doing their home work !

[AluminumCranium]

I think Zildjian is the all around best cymbal company. The only drawback they have in comparison to a company like PAISTE, is that ZIldjian's special effects or exotic cymbals are slightly less in variety than those of PAISTE. However, as far as all around quality, craftsmenship, and sound, I think ZIldjian blows both Sabian and PAISTE away.

[MFDFdrums]

I play Sabian AA's. They work great in my Rock band. But, if i could afford it, i would go for paiste signatures.

[ian40uk]

Man !! i saw today the sexiest ride EVER. the Zildjan "flat" ride......... thats the sound i have been lookin for, i asked for a price , all i got was .. quote .. " Expensive" !:eek:

oh well. balls to it, i'll have to stick with what i have

[DearlPrummer]

Ive never really played a srum set with Paiste or owned a Paiste cymbol. But between Sabian and Zildjian, I choose Sabian AA. Zildjians are a lot of hype, but some do have great sound, but for your money, go with Sabian

[NuMbeR 1]

i go with paiste and zildjian

[Massmusic.net]

Even though there's sometimes some variance associated with sounds online, but it's a good place to start by sampling their sounds online.

The cymbal companies do have cd's as well to listen to, which you can keep at your home.

thanks
Brad

[beerman69]

Sabian AAX - Stage ..... it rock's ...........

[Rich]

I can honestly say that cymbals are a matter of personal choice. You need to go play the cymbals and get the ones that have the sound you are looking for. I just happen to have always used Zildjian's but I am sure I could go and listen to lots of other cymbals and would like the sounds of more than just one company. Thanks, Rich.

[mittad]

cymbals are a matter of personal choice. You need to go play the cymbals and get the ones that have the sound you are looking for.

Everyone is going to have different tastes. Most all cymbal companies have low budget lines to top quality lines. I suggest spending the extra money and getting top of the line cymbals no matter which brand you choose.

[drumwerker]

I think it's pretty amazing the way the top companies have all expanded the diversity of cymbals they produce. Sabian seems to introduce a new top-of-the line series to replace the old top-of-the line series about every couple of years AAX, HHX, HHX Evolution. A lot of professionals are endorsing them too, they make quality sounding cymbals, and that's probably why so many people purchase them.

I think you can't go wrong with either Paiste, Zildjian or Sabian when you talk about their top line series. It depends on the music, and style you play as much as the cymbal.

I've played Paiste since 1982 - I still have my 14" 2002 Sound Edge hihats and 2002 Dark Ride and they have improved with age. Also, I've also never broken a Paiste. Before that, I played A. Zildjians.

I think what I like best about Paiste is (and this has been pointed out by others) that the consistency is amazing. A 16" crash sounds the same as another 16". Same with virtually all their 2002, Signature, Traditionals and Innovations lines.

[Unniquadium]

Hi!
I love Zildjian, they r so good. I haven't compare them yet with some sabian or paiste, but i think all r ok, cuz every pro use all of them. I guess u should decide acording what u need. But... there is something that zildjian doesnt have (well, maybe I'm not right)... Zildjian doesn't have those which looks like a little chinas, they diameter is small, like 10'', 12'', or even 14... I saw those cymbals in Sabian... Zildjian, sorry, u failed me in that aspect... :p :)

[Andrew]

is that true that lars died?

[Henster3000]

you know i don't think anybody really gives a crap if lars died.

GET OVER IT

[JEFFa.k.a.ANIMAL]

I originally voted for Sabian but wish to re--neg my vote for ZILDJIAN. The reason for this is that Sabian has become the cymbal whore of the industry and they're distributed by HSS, Inc. a division of Hohner which I totally hate because they did me WRONG. ' A customs' all the way!

[malukoo]

I´m confuse!!!Yes i have the Pearl simbal´s becousei didn´t have time ormoney to change it!!!But i´m close!!!
I need help i heard a lot of the K customs, Zdiljian K are very good cimbals to play, becouse they have very good dinamic to play!!!
T think that Zdiljian Z are very good too.....but i have a passion for Sabian .........



.......pleasee what do i choose, what you recommend guys???????
What pack of cimbals are the most reliable price/quality to buy??????

[beerman69]

Sabian AAX - Stage pack ..!!!

:D

[thadude]

Man i gotta say , sabian zildian and pastie are all good symbols





But its a matter of preference neither one are better than the other!!!!!! THEY ARE ALL GREAT SYMBOLS!!!!

[thadude]

I AM GONNA TELL U ALL LIKE IT IS SABIAN , ZILDIAN , AND PASTIE ARE ALL GOOD SYMBOLS , ITS JUST A MATTER OF PERSONAL TASTE AND PREFERENCE , AND I BET NO BODY CAN SAY THAT BETTER!!!!!

[JEFFa.k.a.ANIMAL]

malukoo, this is all I know about cymbals. Paiste is made in Switzerland, Zildjian is made in the good ole USA, and Sabian are made in Canada. When comparing prices of professional style cymbals of the three, that's pretty much the same order, as far as I have found. Paiste is alittle more expensive that Zildjian which is a little more than Sabian. They all have lines of great sounding cymbals, it's what sound that you like that will determine which brand u buy. Me personally, I won't buy Sabian anymore because of a personal issue that I have with a company that distributes them, but that's just me. I have owned Sabian cymbals before, but got rid of them, so I know that they're decent. Most cymbal co. websites now have sound clips of every cymbal so that you can get an idea of what they sound like before you buy, or you can go to a music store that has a bunch of cymbal in stock so you can hear them in person. There are also some smaller cymbal companies besides the big three some of which are: Roland-Meinl(I think made in Germany), UFIP(I think made in Italy) and a few others all of which I can't remember. It's simply a matter of research on your part to find out which ones suit your style of music.

[Rich]

Right on Brother! Love your signature man! AMEN!! Rich.

I also agree with you on the cymbals as well. GOD Bless!

[Sandman]

It's all a matter of taste. (except for the pearl cymbals, they suck anyway)

[rythym devil]

I have a 22" Sabian Bell ride, hand hammered. I love it. I also have 22" K (Zildjian). For cutting ride attack the Sabian is my choice, but, for tone nothing touches the K

It all depends on what your playing for music and how loud your guitarist is :-)

Any cymbal is a good cymbal if it sounds good.....

[codi_rowe]

not ANOTHER cymbal poll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[codi_rowe]

not ANOTHER cymbal poll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Talon]

I think it is just a mattter of opinion on cymbals. If you are playing mostly Jazz, you might want some brand of cymbals that no one's ever heard of.

But I agree, the Pearl cymbals suck anyway. Maybe Pearl should get a little bit better cymbals. ?

[lemuelp311]

i guess pearl jus want to make the pearl FORUM set look nicer and more worth it?

[PYRRHO]

Originally posted by thadude
I AM GONNA TELL U ALL LIKE IT IS SABIAN , ZILDIAN , AND PASTIE ARE ALL GOOD SYMBOLS , ITS JUST A MATTER OF PERSONAL TASTE AND PREFERENCE , AND I BET NO BODY CAN SAY THAT BETTER!!!!!

Okay, let me try -

I am going to tell all of you how it is - Sabian, Zildjian, and Paiste, are all good cymbals. It's just a matter of personal taste and preference; and I bet nobody can say that better!!!

There ya go - how did I do? :)

[JPD]

:p :p :p

[TreCoolFool]

Arent pearl cymbals made by Sabian, oh and for the record i like A Zildjian and A Custom :D

[Mr. Canuck]

:confused: Does anyone know of a zildjian factory in Canada?:confused:

[PYRRHO]

The old Zildjian factory, which is now Sabian's.
Is that what you're talking about?

[Mr. Canuck]

It might be im asking cuz i got 2 old zildjians that have the zildjian logo and it says made in canada. im just trying to find out how old they are.

[Chadsmith]

I use Zildjian, all cymbals

[magicjames1]

I use all sabian pro sonix. I find they give a nice clean crisp sound with no extra dull ring. I have one zildian zbt crash and io find it a bit dull and soundless. But they are good for serious begginers.

James

[JC Drummer]

my suggestion is that every1 who use a qulaity kit like pearl should think about CAST cymbals (ZILDJIAN coz they r the daddys) because they offer so much variety in sound ie. its not just 'crash', its 'fast crash' etc... with loads of sizes etc... cast cymbals pricy but r well worth the cash and they look amazing..

at the moment i use all Zildjian A-Custom ... the shiniest cymbals in the business!

hit something for me..

steve-o;)

[fatboy46]

Paiste.. B8 alloy
ZBT B8 alloy
Sabian B8, Pro - um.. B8 alloy

note the B8 alloy.... :mad:


Paiste makes B8 alloy cymbals.. they sell them by the "inch" a 20" cymbal msrp=396.00 sells at 209.00 or so..
although the Trads and Dimensions are higher.. 518.00/269.00 and 484.00/256.00

ZBT- 148.00/81.98 + 185.00/99.98

sabian 132.00/73.98 or 168.00/89.98 or 215.00/129.00

hmm.. how does paiste justify selling B8 cympals for twice s much?
OH!! they hammer them more!! :confused:

OK.. some folks LIKE paiste.. cool.. if you break cymbals.. buy Paiste.. you can order them on the net, out of a catalog or over the fone.. and one Sound Creation will sound just like the next one..

" inconsistency" as one poster put it.. may be his terminology for real cymbals.. but B20 ( professional quality) cymbals are each unique, "hand" hammering may be gone.. but the machines do it more consistently, more evenly or more randomly.. depending on what the desired sound is.. ALL the cymbals I have bought over the net have sounded great.. no problems , yet.. a LOT of the cymbals i hear in shops, dont sound as good to me.. maybe they are the ones 'left over' that others didn't like either.. ( granted, that ws GC!!..maybe they get the culls)..

I have not heard a paiste that I like..( since 1958) too brassy, too bright, too glassy.. too "too".. I like the warmth of B20 cymbals the broader range of tones, over-tones , the richer sound, being able to get a different sound from different parts of the cymbal..

[victimunknown]

each to thier own, what ever you like.. i stuck with a really cheap hohner crash for years with my sabian aax setup, i didnt mind that it was diffrent because it had the lushest sound!

[milano]

Zyldjian/Paiste/Sabian???

Go to your favorite drum store and spend hours, if you have to, finding the sound that you want. Don't limit yourself to just one brand. If you like the sound and it fits your needs, buy it! Don't worry about mixing up the brand. Each brand offers a unique sound on each of its cymbals, in every model, and are of excellent quality. Try them and you decide. I have yet to buy Paiste, mostly Zyldjian and Sabian. But you never know, I could buy Sabian on my next visit. Stay away from all the others and the cheap stuff. If you're using Pearl Cymbals or generic stuff, here's an alternative. Take the knob off the lid of a sauce pan and put it on your stand. Sounds just the same, and cheap too!

Happy Drumming/Play Hard

[rythym devil]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by milano
[B]Zyldjian/Paiste/Sabian???

Go to your favorite drum store and spend hours, if you have to, finding the sound that you want. Don't limit yourself to just one brand. If you like the sound and it fits your needs, buy it! Don't worry about mixing up the brand.

Great advice Milano,

I agree, it's all about the sound first, and maybe for some looks next. ( Ill admit I love the idea of the flashing bronze disk with the big K on it ). I recently puchased an AAX performance pack with the idea of selling the ride, because i have a nice 20" K ride.

But, the sound of the AAX is nicer? Go figure? I put them both side by side, and for my ear, the AAX has nice overtones, but doesnt "mud up" as much as the K, which is a few degrees darker; while the AAX has more cut without having to play the bell. ( I have a Power bell ride HH for that)

But, one mans trash is another man's treasure, right?

:D

[Cobalt Missy]

Now this has been an interesting thread to read ( and yes I did read it all! OhMy )

I have Zildjian ZBT's and I like them compared with anything else I've played.

I would really like to get some Zildjian Z's but I don't have the finds to do that right now...it's been suggested to me to get the equivilant cymbal in Paiste at half the price ( I'm after an 18" medium/ thin Crash ) but after playing Zildjian I'm really not sure wether I should wait and get what i'm used to and know I like...or spend now and get one which might be great but...dunno.

Interesting to read all these opinions on the cymbals...given me more to think about thanks :)

[NilsM]

I have played Zildjian A's for almost 30 years and have always been very happy with them. Many of my favorite drummers use Paiste, and I think they sound amazing on record, but anytime I have ever tried them out myself I thought they were too tinny.

That's just my personal experience/opinion. In the end, brand names are meaningless. Bottom line: If it sounds good, it is good.

[Drummerdudeguy]

I vote for Zildjian. They have so much sound versatility its unbelieveable. Plus they have been around for a very long time. When it comes to cymbals, I trust zildjian.

[deanroberts]

i got a pearl ride cymbal, it says pearl right on it, its imprinted on the cymbal. did you know pearl made cymbals? when i bougt my kit and saw it was a pearl i was like :cool:

[JSXtremist]

Paiste for me. Nothing like that Patented Paiste Signature Alloy.

[JEFFa.k.a.ANIMAL]

I agree with you about Paiste. I used to have a bad opinion about Paiste thinking that they were overpriced and not worth the extra cash, but I recently purchased some gently
used, but mint condition,Paiste cymbals from Music Go Round and I am VERY impressed. The 22" Signature Dry Heavy Ride is AWESOME! Huge bell and great bell sound as well as a nice, tight, very prounounced pingy sound from the whole cymbal itself makes this the last ride I may ever buy. With a MSRP of around $580, and selling price around $300 brand new, for $150 it is a steal. Also I bought the 18" Signature Fast Crash and a discontinued model 18" Sound Formula Crystal Crash that looks like its never been hit for $139 each ($242 selling price each brand new). To me they are top of the line, but I have other Sabian and Zildjian cymbals as well that I like, too.

[deanroberts]

yeah paiste is the only way to go

[newbeat]

I played a signature 14" full crash the other day as my first paiste signature experience, and I also found them to sound tinny- it was a really high pitched hissing sound with no body compared to a 14" a custom crash. It didn't have any mid range, low end, body, or richness that I've taken for granted from zildjian, it sounded like a tinny cheap cymbal. I always wanted cymbals with with bright high end brilliance and thought I would like the signatures, but after hearing what kind of sound they have I am sticking to zildjians- the classic, tried and true, and they have a fuller bodied tone that I have now grown to love.

[MrDrummer]

Zildjian is the only possible choice

[drumstix03]

What is a "pasite"?

[deanroberts]

its a mispelt word

[drumstix03]

Well, I think that about SEZ it all.

[deanroberts]

:cool:

[Carl Peterson]

Paiste die too fast for me..never liked um..I use Sabian Evolution..

[deanroberts]

yeah i like paist such a proffesional logo great sound:cool:

[argarath]

Paiste for sure...

especially in heavy metal/speedmetal bands the Paiste's cut through the guitarwall with ease because of their high pitched sounds.

I've always favoured Paiste, but I got Zildjian New Beat Hi-Hats, Avedis splash and a Custom K Dark Crash when i bought my kit second hand. I still use the hi-hats as second hi-hat pair. The splash i've sold and the K crash is history...;)

Pearl and Paiste... the only combination!:D

[deanroberts]

yep pearl and paiste,
when i got my second hand kit i got all different cymbals mostly paiste

paiste hithats and crash
zildgen large crash
sonar splash
a pearl cymbal :cool: ride

[k9icular]

I prefer Zildjian, i think that they offer more choice and the ranges are more clearly defined. It is easier to choose a range for your particular style with them. i have chosen to go with the Z customs at first, but i plan to get a set of A's as well. The orientals are very cool as well. I find that its a difficult choice to choose a style for the sabians, and Paiste have too many ranges that would suite a particular style. its just my opinion remember people. And to those who have the 'if its not mine, its sh*te' attitude, sort it out people! and dont be so ignorant.

[Casdrummer]

Originally posted by Henster3000
I'm a beginner and I have the regular 3 pack Pearl cymbols ( Hi-Hat & ride) and a splash and a crash Zildjian ZBT Plus. Should I stick with the Zildjian's and get rid of Pearl or get new cymbols altogether. Lil' Drummer Henry

Was in the same position as you did a month ago and after discussing in "Cymbal Talk" has bought Paiste 502 Plus standard set-up (14" hi-hat, 16" crash and 20" ride). I am quite happy with this set up. The price is acceptable as well.

[Ambion]

Originally posted by Carl Peterson
Paiste die too fast for me..never liked um..I use Sabian Evolution..


because that o-zone crash has so much more sustain than my signatures ;):p

[sbrob]

Carl is right! Sabian baby!!

[mikepowell]

ya, personally im a sabian guy, i find the got more personality then zildjian or paiste, however, im not a fan of sabian hats, i use zildjian new beats all the way.
TO THE GUY THAT STARTED THIS THREAD
the most important relization you have to make about buyin cymbals is it dont matter about brand, level, or marketing, it jst comes down to wat you wanna hear. mabey you really like aa regular hts by sabian, with a k constinopole ride by zildjian, a couple of paiste signature crashes... that imo would sound freakin genius. dont let the marketing fool you man, they are after all, just sheets of metal

[Barryatkin]

hey all,
at the moment im using: Zildjian ZXT cymbals.... and persoanlly like them lol on problem is they mark too easily and since i had to scrap the barrel to pay for them i darednt use and cleaners on them any ideas on cleaning tips without cymbal cleaner would be good, anyways.... bit off track im using at the moment:

Zildjian ZXT 12" Splash
Zildjian ZXT 14" china
Zildjian ZXT 14" trashformer
Zildjian ZXT 14" Hats
Zildjian ZXT 16" crash
Zildjian ZXT 18" crash
Zildjian ZXT 20" medium ride

suit me down to the ground really as i aint a hard hitter but im still stck with a vintage hayman kit so i still loose lol

bazzman