Any Pearl snares with wood hoops??

[drumwerker]

Does Pearl currently offer any snare models that come with wood hoops? If not, are there any plans to introduce a snare that has them, or an optional choice to any existing snare models.

Maybe a poll would help Pearl gauge demand from the forum members?

[PearlMan]

I'm pretty sure they don't ( offer such a snare )
I think it'd be a good idea. Yamaha does that, Pacific does that, other brands do too. I wouldn't want to see Pearl fall behind.

[Dex]

How do wood hoops affect the sound?

[giantmink]

Damn dude... good idea! I would destroy the hoop in about 5 minutes but as an optional snare that would be great. I would really use it for some songs with my band. I couldn't use it when we played shows because it would just explode (I go OFF live). Great in studio, so yeah! I do want to see one!

[PearlMan]

Originally posted by Dex
How do wood hoops affect the sound?
They make it darker and warmer usually with less sustain.

[brizak79]

Originally posted by giantmink
Damn dude... good idea! I would destroy the hoop in about 5 minutes but as an optional snare that would be great. I would really use it for some songs with my band. I couldn't use it when we played shows because it would just explode (I go OFF live). Great in studio, so yeah! I do want to see one!
You would probably NEVER break a wood hoop on a drum. Your sticks would snap before the hoop would. The hoops are TONS stronger than any stick... :rolleyes:

[Dex]

Yeah, and if you could play hard enough to break the rim, I expect that you'd lose all the benefits of having that wood rim (wouldn't be able to tell just by listening that it is a wood rim).

[giantmink]

Not entirely, I know a girl who went through one pretty fast without playing SUPER hard. I was just saying 5 min as an expression. Besides, a drumstick is much more solid than bonded maple plies. The glue that they use to bond the plies is weaker than the glue they use to attach a nylon tip to a stick. And you would not lose any benefits because either way the hoop has a sonic advantage. You can hit so hard that you choke the drum but I think most people know when that it. Live it is just the energy, I don't know...

[giantmink]

"it should hold up, but under heavy stress, wood hoops break (neil peart cracks em)"

Got that from another thread.

[SLIPKNOT1]

As far as wood hoops breaking, if they are like Yamaha's Anton Fig style snare hoops, they are very durable. If they are like the Ayotte style, i can tell you first hand, they do break, i have seen MANY broken wood hoops. Most people dont have the problems with toms since its rare you make a rim shot, but snares are an issue.

[MikeB]

Its extremely hard to break an Ayotte WoodHoop. And if you actaully can break a hoop, it all goes to show you that you lack the proper technique.

[giantmink]

I disagree, there is not an actual "technique" to playing drums. Many people do things that I would not do. But that does not make it strange, just a different style.

[luvmydrumz]

I hit the rim often on my snare, I love that crack sound....and I don't mean crack as in breaking.
I wouldn't call that bad technique.

[MikeB]

No, you misunderstood. I meant it to be bad technique because it takes so much force to break a WoodHoop. You must be hitting way too hard and hitting it in an odd way.

[luvmydrumz]

I'd have to agree Mike B. You'd probably have to really wail on those rims to break one.

[giantmink]

Yeah, that is true. But I guess what I meant is when you are jamming or playing live sometimes the energy gets to you. Like I said... I knew this girl and she didn't really hit very hard but after a while the lies did start to separate. None of the companies say that they won't break. Oh well, I am not trying to argue just chatting about what I know.

[giantmink]

Oops, Plies, not "lies".

[MikeB]

Who made the hoop? Anyway, Ayotte WoodHoops as well as Yamaha Vintage Hoops are a lot stronger than drumsticks. The Yamaha Vintage Hoops are 19 plies of cross ply laminated maple, and the Ayotte WoodHoops are 12 plies of cross ply laminated maple. If you have any brains you would understand that wood hoops are stronger than sticks.

[giantmink]

"If you have any brains you would understand that wood hoops are stronger than sticks."

That was nice of you to say. I never said that it was weaker than a stick... I said that the glue used is weaker than that of a nylon tip to a stick. So before you slander me use you're own brains... or you're eyes.

[MikeB]

Well, it goes to show you don't have brains. Slander is spoken. What you meant is liable, which is written.

:D

[giantmink]

I went to school for Technical Writing and passed with a 98% and I can honestly say "who gives a ****". You know what I meant, was it worth the time it took you to correct me? Some of you people must live on this forum. My god...

[giantmink]

By the way, I believe I do have brains because I am not the one living in Canada.

[SLIPKNOT1]

I am not getting involved in the argument between you two, but wood hoops DO break. You have to understand, it has nothing to do with them being stronger then a drumstick. Ever see somebody break concrete blocks with there hand in karate?. Is'nt concrete stronger then human skin and bones?. It has to do with the impact, not the overall strength. Constant hits in the same place will weaken the wood and cause it to crack.
Think of it even like this, an oak stick is more dense then maple, so right there you have a material that will give less then the the hoop itself. The same way metal will get fatigued. I have seen broken wood hoops with my own eyes. I also know alot of people who have had similar expieriences. I said it earlier in this post that its not as likley to happen on toms since its rare you hit the rims anyhow, but on a snare, the issue is definatley there. Its one of the reasons why virtually no major company makes wood hoop snares. They would be replacing wood hoops under warranty constantly.
If your not a heavy hitter and dont do alot of Rimshots, you should never have a problem. But dont think for a second that a wood hoop is unbreakable.

[drumwerker]

I thought it might be nice for Pearl to at least offer wood hoops on some of their snare models as an option. Right now, your options are limited to the Die-Cast or SuperHoops on the signature models. Granted, wood hoops won't stand up to abuse like metal hoops can. I don't think the people who buy wood hoops are doing it because they have some belief they are as strong or stronger than metal. It simply is an alternative sound option that is offered by other high-end drum manufacturers.

[MikeB]

Yah, I know that Slipknot. I was just trying to say it does take a lot to break one. But then defects and what not, but thats so highly unlikely with Yamaha and Ayotte. And Mink, how am I not smart for living in Canada? The country that the United Nations thinks is the best nation? Well, I am not sure if it still is, but I was for such a long time. And my city was the best city in the world for many years, but due to increasing traffic from cars (due to the fact that people are getting more money from the economy and buying cars that they couldn't afford before) we are now number 2. Anyway, if you diss Canada I think a lot of people that aren't Canadian are going to come on down to this thread and give you a piece of their mind.

[giantmink]

Actually it was more of a joke. I don't live that far from Canada, it is a pretty cool place. Just a joke cause' a lot of people rag on it. And I said it cause you are a total **** to everyone and half the time don't bother to back anything up, except you're Canadian heritage. Which other than that joke I could care less about.

[psx00]

Originally posted by giantmink
Actually it was more of a joke. I don't live that far from Canada, it is a pretty cool place. Just a joke cause' a lot of people rag on it. And I said it cause you are a total **** to everyone and half the time don't bother to back anything up, except you're Canadian heritage. Which other than that joke I could care less about.

Just remember, there are other Canadians on the board. Don't judge us by MikeB.

:p

Guys, calm down, it's only talk over wood-hoops, not like we're choosing life or death.

:D

[stavis]

psx is right, there are OTHER canadians (hint hint). All the same, there's no need for any hostility, we're all neigbours here in a sense.

[psx00]

Originally posted by stavis
psx is right, there are OTHER canadians (hint hint). All the same, there's no need for any hostility, we're all neigbours here in a sense.

Yeah. For example, there are two exchange students here from Flordia this semester. One is so hot and downright sweet, one of the nicest girls I've met. The other one makes me lose faith in civility. Rudest girl ever. Period. It even makes the nice one ashamed to say they're both from the same state. Go figure. Just a funny story I thought I'd share.

:D

[SLIPKNOT1]

And dont forget, Terrence and Phillip came from Canada too!.

[Dex]

PLEASE NO LYRICS OR REFERENCES FROM SOUTH PARK!!!!!!!!!!!!

DAMMIT NOW I HAVE "BLAME CANADA" RUNNING THROUGH MY HEAD!!! AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

Fyi: My nickname among some people around my college town is Butters (That's Me!)

[giantmink]

Like I said, I actually like Canada. I live in Spokane WA, I don't even have to go that far to get there.

[giantmink]

I just realized that is kind of funny that you don't want to be judged by MikeB! I wouldn't want him to represent me either!

[psx00]

Originally posted by giantmink
I just realized that is kind of funny that you don't want to be judged by MikeB! I wouldn't want him to represent me either!

Again, I talk to Mike on a fairly regular basis, and it's not that we don't want to be judged by him specifically, but by one person. I mean, if I were to judge Americans by that aformentioned rude Flordia girl......ouch for you guys.

:D

I just want to state I have nothing against Mike. That comment wasn't really a shot at Mike at all. Thanks.

:D

[giantmink]

Oh that's cool, sorry about that. I thought you meant something else.

[MikeB]

Has no one realized I am all talk?

[psx00]

Originally posted by MikeB
Has no one realized I am all talk?

*Raises hand*

LOL, J/K Mike.

:D

[MikeB]

Originally posted by psx00


*Raises hand*

LOL, J/K Mike.

:D

Another gem brought to you by psx00.

[giantmink]

I guess I gave it a little thought, we are on a forum, you would have to be. I love this forum but does anyone else ever feel like a computer nerd? Everytime I talk to my friends about these conversations they are like "who told you that", or "really? Where did you hear that". I just hang my head and say The Pearl Drummers Forum. "The what?" "The forum on the website."
"Christ man, you go to message boards?! Hahahahahaha". That is always how it ends up.

[drumwerker]

I guess where I was originally going with this thread was that if Pearl at least produced 14" 8-lug and 10-lug versions, and maybe a 13" model, that you could retrofit your existing snare hoops. Now this might not appeal to everyone, but it would certainly give you a little more versatile sound with your existing snare drum.

[Alex Hellner]

damn straight, i'd love to see woodhoops on some pearl snares.
and i have a good friend who owns a 4-piece ayotte custom who's gone through 2 snare hoops, it does happen.

btw, he's a jazz drummer so he's not exactly beatin the junk outta' his kit.

also i'd like to add that i have nothing against ayotte kits, they're definately a quality company.

[lemuelp311]

yamaha wood hoops are strong for sure...

though it gets chiped once in awhile

pacific also have wood hoops

[Full Collapse]

I'll rarely use rimshots so I would think about getting an Ayotte wood hooped snare but they are so expensive. At least a thousand! OCDPs snares are cheaper. I'd probably get them from their. I would like a wood hooped snare in the future.