Orange County vs Pearl

[Henster3000]

Who's better, Orange or Pearl?

[SKiezws]

To tell the truth, they are both awesome companies. With OCDP, its more personal, seeing how they have only 8 staff members, as opposed to hundreds of thousands. OCDP has some cool finishes, and some cool hardware colors. With Pearl, you have the advantage of chosing what shells you want. With OCDP, its just maple. If you are looking for an all maple set, OCDP, IMO, is the way to go. If you are looking at a company that has an awesome reputation and quality work, go with Pearl. The companies both have their strengths and weaknesses. Just do your research and you will figure out the best company for you. Its all a personal preference. Just my 2 cents.

[SLIPKNOT1]

SKiezws

OCDP Does Birch also, along with Acrylic and exotic wood outer plys.

But you are correct, a Pearl Masterworks is definatley on par with OCDP. The edge OCDP has is options: size, finish, material, hardware, powdercoating, etc.

If you dont mind fairly standard sizes, only Pearl hardware and are not looking for an off the wall finish, a Masterworks is a great choice. As i have mentioned, i would have bought one if that was the case.

[rockdrummer00]

I like OCDP alot more then pearl(no offense) but OCDP will do anything for anywon...

[AntiConformist]

slip, OCDP DOES do birch shells? I wasn't aware of that.. I guess that changes things as far as my dream-kit-I'll-never-be-able-to-afford goes. :D

[SLIPKNOT1]

Yes, they can get Keller Birch shells also. Very few people request it, but they can do it.

[SKiezws]

In response to my first post, I think OCDP is a lot more crative and personal, therefore my vote goes to them.

[new drummer]

uhhhh...... dood..... why is this thread in the "exports" section?

[SKiezws]

Why not? I mean, maybe he wants the opinoon of people who play Exports.

[new drummer]

ok whatever, sorry

[dRuTcH]

I voted for Pearl becasue they make cymbals for everyone and every price range.......and they are all of very high quality. Also, customer service is good.

[elisav13]

who cares about they're cymbals. I think they're crap

[chico]

I choose Pearl. A lot of companies use Keller shells, DW did till recently and the shell is what makes the sound so oc is not much different than the other companies that use Keller shells. I perfer a Masterworks for a dream kit, you get to customize and get so many hardware choices ie 24k gold,chrome or black powder coated. I guess I am getting tired of all those punkheads claiming the oc is the best when they use the same shells as other companies.

[stavis]

Asking that question is kinda like comparing apples to oranges . It's all about what your looking for in a drum/ kit. I like both companies quite well, but since I have no experience with OCDP, I'm gonna have to say Pearl. I'm sure OCDP is an awesome company, I think Slipknot1 knows what he's talking about so I'll have to take his word for it. His drums certainly look good, and if they didn't sound good nobody would buy them. But my vote goes to Pearl because of my lack of experience with OCDP.

[Henster3000]

who gives a crap where i posted this, ge over it

[SKiezws]

Originally posted by chico
I choose Pearl. A lot of companies use Keller shells, DW did till recently and the shell is what makes the sound so oc is not much different than the other companies that use Keller shells. I perfer a Masterworks for a dream kit, you get to customize and get so many hardware choices ie 24k gold,chrome or black powder coated. I guess I am getting tired of all those punkheads claiming the oc is the best when they use the same shells as other companies.

With an OCDP kit tho, you can get ANY depth of shell, and they will use ANY hardware you want. Also, with OCDP, you can get white, blue, green, or just about any color of hardware. Also, OCDP will put any kind of mounting hardware on your drums(such as Pearl type brackets, TAMA, DW, or whatever else you desire) And if a lot of companies use the shells, wouldnt you want a more custom finish than a reg. one?

[drewdrums]

Although they both make great drums, OC marks theirs up even more than pearl, and they don't even make their shells. How much do you want to pay someone to cut a bearing edge on the same shell used by all private companies. Custom is far to overused today!
I would rather stay with a company that makes their drums from the beginning to the end, and so pearl wins every time!

[SLIPKNOT1]

Originally posted by drewdrums
Although they both make great drums, OC marks theirs up even more than pearl, and they don't even make their shells. How much do you want to pay someone to cut a bearing edge on the same shell used by all private companies.

Your forgetting something, Pearl makes there shells overseas using cheap labor and automated equipment and offers kits in every price range, so there volume is tremendous and therefore they have a lower operating cost.

OCDP, Spaun, etc make there drums here, where labor is more expensive, and everything is done by hand. They also only offer one type of kit, high end custom. So they dont sell as many kits and therefore dont have any extra income from lesser priced kits.

That is why you think custom companies have a bigger markup then Pearl. The fact of the matter is, you are only guessing that OCDP has a bigger markup. The truth may suprise you.

[Braindonor]

Originally posted by drewdrums
\ How much do you want to pay someone to cut a bearing edge on the same shell used by all private companies. Custom is far to overused today!
I would rather stay with a company that makes their drums from the beginning to the end, and so pearl wins every time!


Even though they do use keller sh ells like many other companies, OC will do pretty much whatever you want, use whatever hardware you want, etc. I got the chance to play an OCDP snare at the store I take lessons at yesterday, and I have to say, it was awesome.

[232 thumper]

How can you compare a company that invests in it's own technology to a company that assembles thier product from parts that are readily available - readily available even to you and I at retail?

The vented snare (a recognised and heavily marketed feature of OC) was introduced decades ago. To me Pearl (especially the Masterworks line) is more of a custom drum than an OC. Pearl invested in and promote a technology that they feel is better than others. Pearl is different. If OC, DW, Spaun and many others all use Keller shells, how does that set them apart from each other? Shape of the lug? Mounting system? Sort of like when they tried to put Mazarati badges on a Chrysler. Yes, it was a very nice Chrysler, but it was still a Chrysler.

As Slip said, price is really not a fair comparison due to economies of scale.

Dont get me wrong, I do not think OC drums suck, I just dont feel that they are anything special, and surely not better than Pearl.

[SLIPKNOT1]

Originally posted by 232 thumper
If OC, DW, Spaun and many others all use Keller shells, how does that set them apart from each other? Shape of the lug? Mounting system? .

Uh, how about Bearing edges?? They are only the most important part of a drum that will determine how good a sound a drum will make.

[Monday317]

Slip--

Just a question out of ignorance: does OCDP give options on bearing edge angles? If so, do what degree can one control the angle, setback, etc.?

[SLIPKNOT1]

Unless you specify otherwise, they will do a double 45 degree cut. For specifics as to how much an angle you can request, i would give them a call.

[232 thumper]

But if Pearls designers/engineers feel the shell construction is best with a certain bearing edge design how does that make one company better than the other? We have a guy here locally who does outstanding bearing edge work (he does a great deal of stuff for Tribes drums out of Boulder). So, I could order a pile of keller shells and have them cut anyway I wanted - as could you, and everyone else on this list.
To be VERY clear, I am not saying OC stuff is sub par (although I do remember reading an MD article several years ago knocking OC's bearing edges - I am sure they must have fixed that problem) - I am saying it is apples to oranges, as is the definition of a custom drum. Is custom a paint job? ... a construction? ... the hardware? ... the materials? It's all a matter of opinion.

[drewdrums]

DW no longer uses keller shells. They now make their own, which is cool. But OC, still using keller shells, makes the "custom" line a little vague. I think that they are incredible drums, but something cannot be called custom if your base for the drum is a shell that is mass produced by a furniture company.

[SLIPKNOT1]

Originally posted by drewdrums
DW no longer uses keller shells. They now make their own,

but something cannot be called custom if your base for the drum is a shell that is mass produced by a furniture company.

DW still buys from Keller on sizes they dont make, like 20" or deeper bass drums.

And saying they cant be called custom because they dont make the shell is moronic. OCDP cuts the shells down, drills them and cuts the bearing edges. Keller does'nt do that for them. Its not like they buy them ready made. They are in fact "Customising them" are they not?

So if i were to use your philosophy of "It cant be custom if the base material is not manufactured by them" That would make alot of things not custom at all.

If you mix paints together to get a certain color, is'nt that custom? But using your logic, it would'nt be.

If you buy some lumber and build your own drum riser, is'nt it a custom built riser??. Using your logic, its not. Because you dont go in the woods and chop down a tree and make the lumber yourself.

If i buy an ingot of steel from a steel company and melt it down and cast my own hardware, its not custom made?

Do you understand why your statement makes no sense?

Gene or Carl, correct me if i am wrong, but Pearl buys screws, nuts and bolts from a company that specialises in that. BUT, according to Drewdrums, if you use those screws, nuts and bolts on a Mastwerworks kit, The kit is no longer custom made since Pearl did'nt make the screws themselves. Oh, and of course, also because since you dont own the trees whos wood was used in the shells too. So i guess thats false advertising on Pearls part.

At least according to Drewdrums it is.

[drewdrums]

Easy Slipknot. Just because we disagree, no need to call my comments moronic. I think that if the main factor that affects the quality of Pearls drums sound were the screws, and they bought them from someone else, no, it would not be custom. So, we should agree to disagree. This is a forum.:cool:

[SLIPKNOT1]

Originally posted by drewdrums
So, we should agree to disagree. This is a forum.:cool:

Most Definatley:cool: .

[metalman]

who care about pearl cymbals yeah you get them with the set just 2 get u started but otherwise they are terrible sounding lol
my hats off to pearl they have come a long way orange drums are cool if they can custom make anything.

.......pearl bass drums rule......so vote goes 2 pearl










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[SLIPKNOT1]

Originally posted by metalman
who care about pearl cymbals yeah you get them with the set just 2 get u started but otherwise they are terrible sounding lol
my hats off to pearl they have come a long way orange drums are cool if they can custom make anything.

.......pearl bass drums rule......so vote goes 2 pearl










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[1337pearldood2002]

Slipknot1, just a quick question- what the heck are bearing (sp?) edges anyways? What do they do for the drum?

Anyways, I think OCDP and Pearl are equal because they are both extraordinary drum companies!

[SLIPKNOT1]

A Bearing edge is the part of the shell that conatacts the head. You want as little wood to drum head contact as realistically possible. Basically, you want a "Sharp" edge with very little conatct, but not so thin it becomes delicate. That is one of the major things that seprates a great company from a regular compny from an average company. Every one is fixated on shells and how "You can just throw a bunch of parts together" for 1/4 of the price of a Masterworks, OCDP, Ayotte, etc. They dont realise what goes into making a drum and how critical the edges are to overall sound. Once you look at an Ayotte or OCDP edge and they a Conaway, Export, Pacific, etc you wil see the difference clear as day. One of the ways companies use quality control for edge consistency is to sit the drum on a sheet of glass and use a type of feeler gauge to judge the straightness of the edge. What is considered acceptable is pretty scary. OCDP has put so much into there edges that using a slab of granite, if ANY light is visible, the egde is rejected. Thats why alot of Tama and DW artists kits are sent directly to OCDP to have there edges re-cut before acceptance. It cost alot because it takes alot of time to hand sand them and get them just right. It seems so trivial but it really is'nt. When i was kit shopping for my current kit, i was looking at egdges on everything. There are alot of kits that are really lacking in this area.

[Adrian NoRi]

masterworks beat OCDP but the other models no.
I go with OCDP:cool:

[mrbeaver]

Originally posted by metalman
who care about pearl cymbals yeah you get them with the set just 2 get u started but otherwise they are terrible sounding lol
my hats off to pearl they have come a long way orange drums are cool if they can custom make anything.

.......pearl bass drums rule......so vote goes 2 pearl










:cool:
whats so great about a pearl bass drum rather than their toms and snares?

[1337pearldood2002]

Ah. I see now. Thanks Slipknot.

[Jookbox]

Originally posted by SLIPKNOT1
OCDP has put so much into there edges that using a slab of granite, if ANY light is visible, the egde is rejected.


DW does the exact same thing. i'm sure some other companies do too. definitely a pain in the *** step when it comes to drum making. one thing i have to say about my export edges - they're horrible.

[SLIPKNOT1]

Originally posted by Jookbox



DW does the exact same thing. i'm sure some other companies do too. definitely a pain in the *** step when it comes to drum making. one thing i have to say about my export edges - they're horrible.

Very few companies do this. Most use an industry standard gauge that shows allowable tolerances. DW does not perform this step. I know this first hand because 4 of DW's artists have there kits re-cut by OCDP before acceptance.

[ellioman]

Originally posted by SLIPKNOT1


Very few companies do this. Most use an industry standard gauge that shows allowable tolerances. DW does not perform this step. I know this first hand because 4 of DW's artists have there kits re-cut by OCDP before acceptance.

Does pearl do it on the Masterworks?

[SLIPKNOT1]

Dont know for sure, Gene may know.

[newbeat]

Just curious, why is using granite mentioned? Or is there no specific reason, just that you can sand a slab of it to a perfectly flat surface...?

[SLIPKNOT1]

Like you said, its because it can be made perfectly smooth like glass. The reason they dont use glass is because light will pass through it (DUH!) and therefore make it harder to differentiate between a bad edge or the light shining though the glass.

[Jookbox]

Originally posted by SLIPKNOT1


Very few companies do this. Most use an industry standard gauge that shows allowable tolerances. DW does not perform this step. I know this first hand because 4 of DW's artists have there kits re-cut by OCDP before acceptance.

ok, i'm just going by what i saw in the DW 'american dream' video. they used a piece of granite and they actually showed a craftsman doing it.

[SLIPKNOT1]

That may be, but most of there shells have edges cut on a machine now and then are automatically checked by it. Very little hand labor is involved in that end of it.

[Highlander2525]

I think Pearl is great for a beginning to mid level player. But when you go pro, youwant to make a kit that is all yours. that is why i would haveto go with OCDP, becauseyou can make the drums personalized to theway u play. That and Travis Barker uses them and he's got to be the sweetest upand coming drummer.




"Walk silently, Carry a big Stick."

[SKiezws]

Originally posted by Highlander2525
I think Pearl is great for a beginning to mid level player. But when you go pro, youwant to make a kit that is all yours. that is why i would haveto go with OCDP, becauseyou can make the drums personalized to theway u play. That and Travis Barker uses them and he's got to be the sweetest upand coming drummer.




"Walk silently, Carry a big Stick."

True about playing pro and wanting a quality/custom set. Pearl makes more lines than the Export/Forum, tho. You can get the MW totally custom. You can choose EVERY PLY in the shell, where as with OCDP, its maple or birch(few people know they do this). I think with OCDP, you can get a lot more custom than with the MW drums, such as almost any hardware color, and a ton of other things im not going to start naming. Later.

[danEng]

Pearl rock, OCDP rock..........simple as that, no arguing needed!

[chico]

Travis Barker is overrated. But orange county drums are awesome. I have a elx because that is what I could afford. If i had more money I would definetly be a little more picky about the other stuff.

[MisterSeth]

Slip.....have you ever played on the keller birch shells? if you did....whats the major sound differences b/t that and the maple shells on OCDP

[SLIPKNOT1]

If you have ever played a Tama SC Performer the sound is similar. Its a darker tone compared to Maple.

[MisterSeth]

would birch be better for heavier music? but joey uses maple and his set is perfect IMO for slipknots music

[SLIPKNOT1]

Maple is by far the most popular. I like the sound of Birch, but i find Maple to be more versatile.

[MisterSeth]

yeah i really like the tama sc performer bass drum ...........that thing is so awesome.....but maple i like better also....ive never really played on birch though.....few times

[Raymond Massey]

Just to be clear, at Pearl we use certified slab of precision-granite and light to check all of our Masterworks bearing edges to assure the best quality possible.

Glass or marble isn't flat, even the granite must be machined flat and of "machine shop quality".

Regardless of the level of kit we feel that if it has the Pearl name it must meet our high standards of quality, this goes from RT to MW. We routinely inspect our products for quality. I know this first hand and have worked very close with Gene and the R&D team - one of the advantages we have is that we're all drummers and are able to run the product though the paces.

Although we can't be everything to everybody we do constantly strive to make Pearl the best drum company on the planet, and just one of the ways we do this is to always listen and respond to drummers.

[Mike Farriss]

Slipknot 1‘s comments on the 2nd page of this thread allude that Pearls drums are not hand made. It is true that that Pearls shells are made in a Pearl designed Heat Compression Shell Molding machine. However the plies are laid into this machine by hand. If this is to be considered automated then all shell manufacturing is automated because all shells are made by placing plies into a shell form and applying pressure to compress the plies together. This is how shells are made.

What makes our shells different is this process. Most shells are made by placing plies into a form and placing an inflatable bladder inside the plies. Then the bladder is inflated with air pressure (much like inflating a basketball). This applies anywhere from 15 to 30 lbs of pressure per square inch to the inside of the plies and form. With Pearl’s HCS this pressure is applied by hydraulics with heat at the same time. This assures that the glue sets quickly and with great evenness as the heat liquefies the glue and assures the best bond possible. Also the pressure produced by our system is as much as 10 times greater than that of other shell manufactures. This makes an incredibly consistent shell therefore there is no need to tone match shells. All 10 inch shells are the same pitch all 12 inch shells are the same pitch and so on and so on. We make our own shells so there is no question about the quality.

As for any size and depth shell you want. The shell manufactures that other companies use provide them with shell tubes or cylinders. These cylinders vary in length and can be as tall as a person. Therefore if you want a 10 inch shell 24 inches deep they just cut 24 inches off this tube. This tube concept was created by a cabinet manufacturer. Now it is just my personal opinion but I feel that it is better to have a shell made in a real application length, opposed to having a length cut off a long manufactured tube.

I would like to address automation so please allow me another paragraph... Yes some of the procedures are automated, like drilling the holes for legs, lugs and mounting hardware for instance. Even the baring edges are cut with an automated router, but after the automated routed has done it’s job the real people step in to check the edges and assemble the finished product (put the lugs, leg brackets, mounting systems and legs on). Our drums are as hand made as any company and the people that make them take pride in their work.

As for bearing edges on the Masterwork drums, Please see Raymond’s quote.

I find this thread very interesting and I have a great deal more to comment on but unfortunately I am currently out of time.

Until next time.

Mike Farriss
Director of Artist Relations
Pearl Corp.
:)

[demononcable]

Since i got an OCDP kit and its 6ply maple is equal to a Pearl Masters MRX. I would go with OCDP but if i had a Pearl Carbonply kit it i would go with Pearl then.

[SLIPKNOT1]

Originally posted by Mike Farriss
Slipknot 1‘s comments on the 2nd page of this thread allude that Pearls drums are not hand made. It is true that that Pearls shells are made in a Pearl designed Heat Compression Shell Molding machine. However the plies are laid into this machine by hand. If this is to be considered automated then all shell manufacturing is automated because all shells are made by placing plies into a shell form and applying pressure to compress the plies together. This is how shells are made.



I should have been more clear, when i say companies like OCDP are "Hand made" i am reffering to building the drums in regards to cutting bearing edges, driling lug holes, hand sanding the edges, final assembly, etc.

I was not implying that the Keller shells themselves are "Hand made". I am quite sure Keller has automated equipment that does that.

Sorry for the confusion.

[Mike Farriss]

Slpiknot 1

In that case Pearl's drums are hand made. Because with the exception of the drilling of the holes all the other steps you have discribed are done by hand.

All bearing edges are cut with a router then finished by hand sanding.

The reason so many people us 45 degrees as a standard for edges is not necessarily because that is the best angle for the sound and tonality of a drum but something much more simple. Go to a hardware store or anywhere that sells wood working tools and try to by any router bit other than a 45 degree bit. I am very confident that you will not be able to find anything but 45"s. To have one made at a different degree is very expensive and takes some time. If anything happens to that bit then it is very hard to have it replaced.

Knowledge is a powerful tool. If you have questions we will do our best to help.

We beleive in our product. Pearl the Best Reason to Play Drums.

[Lucky7Band]

I go with pearl and OCDP because i use both OCDP make a custom kit more personal so it feels like you made it yourself but you cant surpass the amazing quality and feel of playing a pearl kit

[Andy]

slipknot1- i asked ocdp about a birch kit, and they were very sarcastic and mean saying "sure if you really want well make you a drumset that sounds like ****" and when i asked what they meant they said "birch is a cheaper softer wood that sounds like ****"


everyone over there seems like a bunch of *******s....

[SLIPKNOT1]

Who did you talk to there?. Did they happen to mention a name?. There is one person there who is less then friendly, it sounds like you had the pleasure of talking to him. He has a problem with everything. I dealt with him once, now i simply avoid him. What did you want to ask them, let me know and ill call them and talk to them and get you the info. Or PM me and ill tell you who to talk to there.

[Andy]

it was through email, no names. but i was wondering if they did birch, and if so how does the price differ from maple. is that **** about birch being ****ty true, as far as when OCDP does it?

[rockdrummer00]

Originally posted by Andy
it was through email, no names. but i was wondering if they did birch, and if so how does the price differ from maple. is that **** about birch being ****ty true, as far as when OCDP does it? when I emailed them about it they just said that its a softer wood and the price won't changemand I doubt that OCDP's birch drums are bad,but slip only said he has a problem with everytihng,so mabey it was only him saying birch was bad...

[SLIPKNOT1]

They have one guy who does most emails and thats the guy i was talking about. Sorry you had to deal with that.

They use Keller Birch shells, so the quality is fine. What you end up with in alot of small shops that dont have a corporate sales structure is an employee will tell you HIS opinion sometimes instead of the companies. Just like some guys at Guitar center who wil try and sell what is truly good, and others who will try and sell you what they like. Forget the comments, go with what you want.

[opus138]

Originally posted by demononcable
Since i got an OCDP kit and its 6ply maple is equal to a Pearl Masters MRX.
No it isn't.

Pearl 6ply (MRX) = 7.5mm
Keller Shell 6ply = 5mm (3/16")

Pearl MMX (4ply) = 5mm

[opus138]

My two cents on customer service...

I recently ordered a Pearl Masterworks snare through massmusic.net. Here is the process that led to this decision.

I knew I wanted a wood drum (tonally speaking), and I was pretty sure on the size I wanted. I researched on the net for small companies, as I thought I was going to get a keller-shell based snare. Upon talking with four different companies, some you may have heard of, they were more salesmen than drummers. I want a drummer’s help when custom ordering a drum because I don’t get to play it before I buy it. I’m reasonably sure of the sound I am after, but want to make sure my mind’s ear is in tune, so I wanted to talk to a drummer. In addition to talking to people with sales-mentalities, I felt they didn’t take me very seriously, so I was all but pulling teeth to get answers. Which led me to this thought:

I bust my *** for the money I earn. Why would I beg a company to take it?

Pearl has always been in the back of my mind for this snare, but I was thinking I’d have to go to a smaller shop to get a unique, good sounding snare. I had also placed Pearl on the back shelf because I began to research other companies, thinking I’ll want the dream kit I’m ordering next year to have a 20” deep bass drum, even after loving the sound of the 18x22 BRX BD. So after talking with other companies, I decided to check out the MW snares. I got some ideas together and PM’d Carl. He responded to me that night, while he was on a week-long vacation. Carl gave me some thoughts on multiple occasions while he was on vacation, and by the time he returned, I was ready to order – and VERY excited about my future drum.

Knowing that I had to order through a dealer, I did research into dealers, and decided upon massmusic. Their staff has been very helpful, and gave me a great price on the snare.

Customer service was by far the deciding factor. And I can tell you this: if I love this snare, which I expect to, it will be a MW kit I order next year. So Pearl most likely made a customer for life. All with knowledge and a friendly demeanor.

[Smoke N Drums]

The bottom line is features and details.

OCDP offers options not available with other companies. If that's what you want then OCDP is your choice.

Pearl offers a high quality product across a wide range. From beginner to custom. Their customer service outstanding. Hence this forum.

Besides............ it's drums not rocket science.

A lot of the back and forth debates on the forum to resurface and over and over would almost make you think that making drums is really a difficult thing and only certain companies have "broken the code" on how to do it. A lot of the debate comes down to name recognition and customer loyalty. Just a short while back DW was "the drum" to get. Perhaps OCDP has become the current boutique drum of choice. (I "blame" Travis Barker et al for this.) If I blindfold you and play an properly tuned OCDP kit or a Pearl kit....you won't know the difference.

These a great times for drummers. The bar has been raised and many manufactures are stepping up to the plate to meet high standards. We have more quality and options available at a reasonable price than ever before Example: A Pearl ELX is as good (or better) a drum as the top of the line kit you could get up to the mid 70's. The hardware is FOR SURE better. Ask any of us "old peeps" on the forum with stripped out pot metal castings or toms that won't stay in place on our beloved vintage kits.

OCDP or Pearl.........its a personal choice.

Rock on drummers, rock on! :cool:

[HP Rosco]

Originally posted by Smoke N Drums
The bottom line is features and details.

OCDP offers options not available with other companies. If that's what you want then OCDP is your choice.

Pearl offers a high quality product across a wide range. From beginner to custom. Their customer service outstanding. Hence this forum.

Besides............ it's drums not rocket science.

A lot of the back and forth debates on the forum to resurface and over and over would almost make you think that making drums is really a difficult thing and only certain companies have "broken the code" on how to do it. A lot of the debate comes down to name recognition and customer loyalty. Just a short while back DW was "the drum" to get. Perhaps OCDP has become the current boutique drum of choice. (I "blame" Travis Barker et al for this.) If I blindfold you and play an properly tuned OCDP kit or a Pearl kit....you won't know the difference.

These a great times for drummers. The bar has been raised and many manufactures are stepping up to the plate to meet high standards. We have more quality and options available at a reasonable price than ever before Example: A Pearl ELX is as good (or better) a drum as the top of the line kit you could get up to the mid 70's. The hardware is FOR SURE better. Ask any of us "old peeps" on the forum with stripped out pot metal castings or toms that won't stay in place on our beloved vintage kits.

OCDP or Pearl.........its a personal choice.

Rock on drummers, rock on! :cool: legend :D

[MrDrummer]

they r both really good pearls u can get more shell options esp. with masterworks but ocdp will do stranger things and has more size choices.

[Water]

im not complaining, but why does it seem like on this forum orange county and pearl are compared and no other companies? there are other custom companies out there other than orange county, although i have nothing against OCDP.

[EmoRockDrummer]

yea i know the whole "truth ripped off OC deal" but i have spoken with both Truth Drums and OC Drums, and i consider truth to have a more personal relationship with there drummers so my vote for best drum company goes to Truth :p yea its off topic but its my 2 cents.

[SLIPKNOT1]

Originally posted by EmoRockDrummer
yea i know the whole "truth ripped off OC deal" but i have spoken with both Truth Drums and OC Drums, and i consider truth to have a more personal relationship with there drummers so my vote for best drum company goes to Truth :p yea its off topic but its my 2 cents.


Yeah Truth had a more personal relationship with OCDP when those dishonest pieces of crap pretended to be customers and then attempted to steal there artists roster. I would not send $1.00 of my money to a company who started out by lying and stealing and then has the balls to name there company "Truth" and preach about there religous beliefs. Disgusting.

Being that you own niether brands and Truth has ZERO big name drummers who can speak out on there service, how do you figure I consider truth to have a more personal relationship with there drummers ????

What are you basing that on?, what a guy at the company tells you?. If thats you reasoning on choosing a particular brand you may get a serious wake up call.

[SLIPKNOT1]

Originally posted by Water
im not complaining, but why does it seem like on this forum orange county and pearl are compared and no other companies? there are other custom companies out there other than orange county, although i have nothing against OCDP.


The person who started this thread wanted a comparison of those two brands only.

If you do a search, there have been plenty of threads titled "Who is your favorite drum company" and dozens of polls as well. So the above companies have been compared to them all, just look around.

[EmoRockDrummer]

well i would go OCDP over pearl any day just due to the ability to completely customize and do anything you want.

i have heard truth drums and i really like them and from my experiences talking to them and people who use them they seem to have a real personal relationship.
i called truth yesterday and asked em about a snare, all i had to say was "Harry used it to record" and they knew the snare i was talking about. and really i dont care who claims what, if you wanna goto who did what first.....OC technicaly DID make vents first. but there are split shell snares from YEARS AND YEARS ago that function basicly the same as vents, so OC cant claim to have innovated that either when what they did was take another idea and manipulate it.

but go OCDP

[newbeat]

that function basicly the same as vents,

No, not really...

[Talon]

why did somebody revive this thread? Why?