Bass Pedals and bass drums

[exportselect342]

What do people go for in bass pedals? Single or Double?
or
Single Bass Drum Or Double Bass Drum?

[hakka]

I have got the single pedal thing down pretty good...now I am working on the double kick. About the double bass drum or double pedal...I have heard that (if money allows) get 2 bass drums...then you can tweak one or the other to get different tones....just a thought!

[PearlMan]

If studio work is your concern, then double pedal is the answer, on a record there's relly no way to tell if the drummer was using double bass or double pedal. However as far as live playing goes - nothing beats the power of a double bass set ( if it's miked properly ). And the feel is different. The new PowerShifter eliminator really makes you feel lake you're playing a doble bass set. So there you go - studio and small to medium venues - PowerShifter doble pedal, larger venues - double bass set. Hope it helps.

[stavis]

Double bass pedal because I wouldn't be able to fit 2 kick drums in my car with the rest of the kit.

[dRuTcH]

Isn't it kinda tough to get the 2 bass drums tuned exactly the same and the muffling to be exactly the same?

[Dman]

After you load in and out of bars enough, you start to figure that (providing you've got no roadies), that the double pedal is a whole hell of alot lighter.
Dman:cool:

[broken ride maker]

Double double

[berriman]

Its got to be single pedal on 1 drum, its the only way. Thats all ya need!

[hakka]

Well one pedal and 1 drum would be fine for a while....but eventually having either a double pedal or 2 and 2, is defenatly the way to go....that is unless you play polka!

[codi_rowe]

i have double bass with a lefty double pedal on my left bass and a single pedal on my right bass. i use my right bass to add an effect to my double pattern cuz i never can get them tuned exactly

[skippy26]

I play a Powershifter P-201 double chained single pedal right now that I have had for about 5 years. I hope to get the double add on to it soon to make it a double pedal. Has anyone tried the add ons? Do they feel the same as buying the full double pedal. Thanks

[NuMbeR 1]

i use a single elx pearl 16" by 22" bass drum with a pearl eliminator double pedal

[Mohadiib1]

2 single bass drums. 2 single pedals. Ya it's hard to get them to sound exactly the same, but when you're jamming, it's hard to tell unless they're tuned way different from each other. As far as space and ease of transport--not a big deal. I have a big car and it's not like they weigh a ton. And it doesn't really take a whole lot longer to set up either. My stands and tom holders all have the placement locks so it's 1-2-3 and away we go. Getting the cymbals all in the right place takes the most time. 12 pc.double bass. Setup: 15 minutes. Teardown: 5 minutes. No biggie.:D

[SLIPKNOT1]

Two 20x22 bass drums for me.

[7acres_drummer]

i play 1 bass drum with a double pedal. i've never tried it with two bass drums. It must be quite hard tuning them the same (that's if u want it to)

[SLIPKNOT1]

It takes a little bit, but after a few times you can get close enough to not notice a difference in a live situation. I had one person play my kit while i made adjustments and i go them together in about 15 miunutes. In a studio, you are better off with a Double pedal for this reason. Or if you have triggers, it does'nt matter.

[PearlMan]

Slipknot,
What about those memory tuning keys? The ones that you can set a tension on and it will tension every lug the same?
I was gonna get one, but I lost my job so now even $20 is a problem:mad:
But anyway - have you tried them?

[SLIPKNOT1]

All those tension keys and meters like the Tension Watch and Drum Dial are not consistent. You have to take into account that heads from manufacturers are inconsistent, tempature will have an effect on the readings, tension rod thread pitch, etc.
The only way it MIGHT work provided the heads are seated the exact same way both on the shell and in the glue joints is if you had the new heads at the EXACT same tempature of the heads the last time you installed them and if you put each tension rod back in the same lug as the first reading. And the hoop would have to be in the same position too. Otherwise, its not consistent.
I have a Tension watch and it never gave consistent readings. I dont know a single drum tech who ever had anything nice to say about thses devices. The bottow line is your ear and your touch are the best ways to tune drums. Once you have done it a few times, you will be fine.

[PearlMan]

How about that TythmTech drum key. It's suppsed to tune every bolt to pre-set tension?
BTW how do I attach pics from other websites? I was trying to do that so you know what I'm talking about but for some reason I couldn't get it to work.

[PearlMan]

OK figured it out - this thing:

[PearlMan]

Or this

[SLIPKNOT1]

As i mentioned in my post above, those tension keys are just as innacurate as the dial types. As i said, way too many variables to make them worthwhile. As a guide, fine, but not as the final tuning method.

[fred]

Originally posted by PearlMan
OK figured it out - this thing:
I own this tension tool and as Slipknot said, use it as a guideline only. Don't depend on it for presise or a "perfectly tuned drum". Stick with a piano or go by your ear is your best bet

[PearlMan]

Ok then, I'll stick with my ears. They've been good so far :D

[ian40uk]

Originally posted by berriman
Its got to be single pedal on 1 drum, its the only way. Thats all ya need!

too right :D

IAN

[NewPearlMan1]

Originally posted by SLIPKNOT1
All those tension keys and meters like the Tension Watch and Drum Dial are not consistent. You have to take into account that heads from manufacturers are inconsistent, tempature will have an effect on the readings, tension rod thread pitch, etc.
The only way it MIGHT work provided the heads are seated the exact same way both on the shell and in the glue joints is if you had the new heads at the EXACT same tempature of the heads the last time you installed them and if you put each tension rod back in the same lug as the first reading. And the hoop would have to be in the same position too. Otherwise, its not consistent.
I have a Tension watch and it never gave consistent readings. I dont know a single drum tech who ever had anything nice to say about thses devices. The bottow line is your ear and your touch are the best ways to tune drums. Once you have done it a few times, you will be fine.

I just bought a drum dial. Haven't had a chance to run it through it's paces yet. The main advantage I see with it is getting the head to be the same tension all the way around. While it's true that temperature variations will make a setting of, say, 75 be different in one temperature versus another, or with different heads due to variations in manufacture, you should still have the ability to tune the drum to itself without any regard to temp or head, and then fine tune the pitch to what you want using the drum dial to make sure all the tensions are the same all the way around. So a 75 at home is different than a 75 at the studio, you still have the ability to at least get the drum in tune with itself then play with the pitch to make the temperature adjustment.

As far as the tension rod inconsistancies, I thought the drum dial erased those concerns, as it measures tympanic pressure without regard to any factors involving tension rods?

Am I at least a little on the right track with this? I hope so, I just dropped $70 on it. My biggest problems in tuning has always been getting the head tension the same from lug to lug as I don't have perfect pitch.

And I don't tune my drums to a "note". If you did, no tuning aid would help you acheive consistancy if you moved your drums around much because there are just too many variables to a drums sound. Even a change in humidity would mess you up I bet.

[NewPearlMan1]

Sorry, off topic a bit with that.

Single BD, double pedal by DW. Couldn't imagine trying to tune two BD's to be the same. A second BD would make my kit look cool though.

[Tom Reyns]

Soon I'll be getting a second bass. I'm gonna tune it a little lower or higher. I'll keep my double pedal for the same sound and the other bass for the other sound.

[Tom Reyns]

Hey broken ride maker,

Originally posted by broken ride maker
Double double

Do you mean you have double pedal and double bass? (3 pedals total?) If so could you post a pic of the pedal setup?

[SLIPKNOT1]

Originally posted by NewPearlMan1


I just bought a drum dial. Haven't had a chance to run it through it's paces yet. The main advantage I see with it is getting the head to be the same tension all the way around. While it's true that temperature variations will make a setting of, say, 75 be different in one temperature versus another, or with different heads due to variations in manufacture, you should still have the ability to tune the drum to itself without any regard to temp or head, and then fine tune the pitch to what you want using the drum dial to make sure all the tensions are the same all the way around. So a 75 at home is different than a 75 at the studio, you still have the ability to at least get the drum in tune with itself then play with the pitch to make the temperature adjustment.

As far as the tension rod inconsistancies, I thought the drum dial erased those concerns, as it measures tympanic pressure without regard to any factors involving tension rods?

Am I at least a little on the right track with this? I hope so, I just dropped $70 on it. My biggest problems in tuning has always been getting the head tension the same from lug to lug as I don't have perfect pitch.

And I don't tune my drums to a "note". If you did, no tuning aid would help you acheive consistancy if you moved your drums around much because there are just too many variables to a drums sound. Even a change in humidity would mess you up I bet.

Try it out and decide for yourself. Just because i dont like it does not make it bad. To sum it up i can tune my drums faster and ALOT easier using nothing more then feel and listening. Tuning is something people will pick up immediatley or will learn in time provided you open yourself up to it. Thats why i dont care for drummers who buy a beautiful acoustic drum kit then trigger everything and there reason is "Its more consistent" or the famous "I dont have to worry about tuning". You will learn how to tune by doing it. I can change a batter head out tune it and have it back on the tom back on the kit ready to play in about 5-7 minutes. If i mess with a drum dial that time will double. It simply does'nt pay for me. If it works for you and helps you to tune, then you got your moneys worth and its great.

[MIKEQ]

Single bass single pedal, allthough I am tempted to buy a double bass pedal.

[Eliminator]

2 pearl ex 16x22s, and 2 iron cobra pg singles

eliminator

[rythym devil]

Originally posted by MIKEQ
Single bass single pedal, allthough I am tempted to buy a double bass pedal.

Check the Duallist: www.duallist.com

I have one for about 3 weeks. Its awesome. Takes getting used to, like any new equipment, but its awesome.

I can switch between power single strokes and flams and triplets mid-beat.

BTW, good advice on the tuner Slipknot... whatever works! I use both, the tension rod thing to set them up, and then ear to tune, takes about 5- 10, depending on how picky Im feeling:D