must seek help ...

[Fredzs]

hey guys, i really need my toms to sound full and shallow..

the sizes are as follows

10x9
12x10
13x11
16x16

im gonna buy new heads and replace the protones, but my music store only deals Pinstripes, coated ambassadors, and Clear CS-HEADS.. thats it.. no more no less.. what head would be best in all the toms to sound full.. i like the sound of the toms here..
http://www.pearldrum.com/01_mp3s/03.Track03.mp3

pls im desperate, i know what im getting for the kick, a pinstripe but im not sure with the toms, im leaning towards pinstripe also, but im not sure.. help pls

[PADman]

Fredz, I assume you meant full and deep...looks like pinstripes are your only choice bro. Just don't put pins on the resonant sides of your toms (the stock ProTones are OK for now). Tune the ProTones higher than the Pins so you get a pitch drop-off and you should get close to the sound you're looking for. Good luck, PAD

['Stumpy' Pepys]

Yeah you've gotta get rid of those pro-tones. I like a real deep, rich, maple-esque sound so I've got my pinstipes tuned pretty low and they sound great on my Exports (http://66.40.220.17/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2437&perpage=12&pagenumber=5). Heads aren't crazy-expensive so you could always buy a single head (say for your 12" or 13"), take it home and see how you like it. Worst case scenario you'll only be out of pocket $10.

FYI I'm still using the pro-tone reso heads (for now) with a small pad of kleenex taped on with gaffer tape and Remo muffle rings on the batter heads.

[Fredzs]

no, i want them to sound shallow and punchy, listen to the toms in the brx link above.. i really like the sound of the toms...

[Jonas Sperl]

Hey, I think the answer would be some Evans G4 coated batter skins...that's what I've got on my toms...tuned really tight but with their thickness it make the toms deep, and very responsive but without much sustain...(I'm not sure on what you mean by 'shallow')...I know you can't get Evans G4's at your shop but...maybe you could order some, or get a friend/relative/whatever to get you some from another shop...

[Fredzs]

g4?! holy ****, whats that 4ply? i diddnt know evans made such thing..

[Jonas Sperl]

sorry...that should've been G2, I was having a conversation about the Mac G4 server when I wrote this so the number sorta got switched...sorry

[Fredzs]

Originally posted by 'Stumpy' Pepys
Yeah you've gotta get rid of those pro-tones. I like a real deep, rich, maple-esque sound so I've got my pinstipes tuned pretty low and they sound great on my Exports (http://66.40.220.17/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2437&perpage=12&pagenumber=5). Heads aren't crazy-expensive so you could always buy a single head (say for your 12" or 13"), take it home and see how you like it. Worst case scenario you'll only be out of pocket $10.

FYI I'm still using the pro-tone reso heads (for now) with a small pad of kleenex taped on with gaffer tape and Remo muffle rings on the batter heads.


omg, u have pins and have muffle rings and a tape under? ****, does your drums still resonate??

[PADman]

Fredz, you're not going to get the sound you hear on Pearl's website with your drums and the head choices you listed. Those are BRX's with birch shells, die-cast hoops, and clear Ambassador heads top and bottom. They have a reduced midrange characteristc that's not going to be simulated by your head choices, especially on your 2001 ELX's with mahogany shells. My 2002 Export ELX's with poplar shells and PowerStroke 3/Diplomat heads do come very close to the sound of the BRX's.

[Fredzs]

no, pearl 2001 models are 2 ply inner poplar, 2 ply middle mahogany and 2 ply outer poplar... my shells show the pattern..
white/dark/white...

clear ambassadors? wont they get too much ring? ??

[PADman]

Fredz, here's the info I have straight from Pearl on the 2001 model ELX's. Note the mahogany shells :

['Stumpy' Pepys]

omg, u have pins and have muffle rings and a tape under? ****, does your drums still resonate??

Yup.

The rings bring the volume down a bit and kill 100% of the ring. The tape makes the drum decay quickly, kinda like a using a gate when you record. I know this isn't the setup you'd use if you were on stage but down in my basement they sound as if they've been mic'd, compressed and gated. People love the sound of them when they hear them.

[Jookbox]

Originally posted by Fredzs

im gonna buy new heads and replace the protones, but my music store only deals Pinstripes, coated ambassadors, and Clear CS-HEADS.. thats it.. no more no less..

wow, that's not much of a selection. out of those choices i agree the pinstripes will give you what you want, but in a loud live setting those heads can make your export toms go 'thud'. think dave grohls drums on the queens of the stone age new album.

[Fredzs]

maybe, if im going live, im gonna change them to either coated ambassadors? or clear cs-heads, im leaning to cs-heads..

[Massmusic.net]

I'm personally a fan of pinstripes.

Thanks
Brad

[PADman]

Originally posted by Fredzs
im leaning to cs-heads.. CS heads emphasize midrange frequencies of any drum they're on, which is going to give you the opposite sound of what you're looking for (the BRX samples). You want to decrease mids, not increase them. Try coated Ambassadors top and bottom and cut a O-ring out of an old head to dampen the highs. You'll get a warm, round tone without the 'thud'. Best of luck, PAD

[Fredzs]

Originally posted by PADman
CS heads emphasize midrange frequencies of any drum they're on, which is going to give you the opposite sound of what you're looking for (the BRX samples). You want to decrease mids, not increase them. Try coated Ambassadors top and bottom and cut a O-ring out of an old head to dampen the highs. You'll get a warm, round tone without the 'thud'. Best of luck, PAD


i hate the coating of remo, it wears out sooo quicklyyyy

[Jonas Sperl]

true...I prefer evans

[PADman]

heh...I play brushes quite a bit and find the Evans coating to wear off quicker than Remo's. To each their own I guess...

[Jookbox]

Originally posted by PADman
CS heads emphasize midrange frequencies of any drum they're on, which is going to give you the opposite sound of what you're looking for (the BRX samples). You want to decrease mids, not increase them. Try coated Ambassadors top and bottom and cut a O-ring out of an old head to dampen the highs. You'll get a warm, round tone without the 'thud'. Best of luck, PAD

perhaps you can get the same sound with powerstroke 3 heads. unless i'm mistaken, they're just various ambassadors with a built in ring:
http://remo.com/catalog2/dh_ds_ps3.cfm

[PADman]

Originally posted by Jookbox
perhaps you can get the same sound with powerstroke 3 heads.Yeah Jook, PS3's are nice! They have the depth of tone of an Emperor with the stick response of an Ambassador. Too bad they aren't on Fredzs list of available heads. :(

[Fredzs]

my teacher says, the coated ambassador is no good for toms, cause the sound isnt clear, lol, i dunno i think he's just stupid, but he is good in playing..

[Fredzs]

ok, i know im not getting the ambassadors, cause i just got a 12" Coated ambassador for trial, it sounds diff. from the one im looking for, but surprisingly, it is easy to get it in tune.. im going with the pins and no muffling..

[Punkster017]

I think going with the Pinstripes is a good idea Fredzs. That's what A LOT of guys in here play on their Exports. (Including myself.) Now this may just be me; but I found mine a little difficult to tune the way I like. Still haven't got them quite the way I'd like to, but I plan on working on that this week. Make sure you stretch the heads out really well when you have them on the toms. Just simply put each drum on the floor and exert SOME weight on them. AFTER tightening them, because you don't want to ruin the heads by them shifting on you. That lets the glue between the plies break and decrease the effect of your sound. It'll also help to stretch out the heads a bit. Just my opinion. This worked best for me at least.

Trent

[Fredzs]

i guess it is easier to tune 2 ply heads like pins, cause u get the same tone right there and then a muffled tone, not like with 1 ply heads like ambassadors u must play with it to have a good resonant sound... and i did *seat* the heads with the ambassadors..

[Wickerman]

I wouldn't get any of the above... if your dead set on Remo's, get the emperor coated...they nice a nice crisp sound with the bottom end your looking for. Although they do not provide the bottom end the pinstripes do, but the pinstripes do not have any "life " to them

[Fredzs]

i cant, cause my local music store has those only..

[kjbetz]

Fredz, there is always mail order... or order through the internet... I've always have found better prices that way anyway... I suggest checking out Interstate Music Supply, I've had great luck with them, both on price and service.

Also for the head selection... I would go with an emporer if I was forced to choose a remo head... the coated ones might work well for you. I myself might go back to a coated head.

but I'll be using Evans like a I have for the past 7 years... Seriously check out the G2 line, I think you'd have great success with them, I've used both the coated and clear heads on my Exports and love them.

[Wickerman]

if your local music store holds remo, HE can order the emperors for you... if he says he can't hes full of ****e.... he has a distribution deal with remo, and another thing too if he says he cannot order them, go straight to remo themselves, tell them about your LMS( local music store) and tell them he said he cannot order them and YOU want to know why.
Remo will not lose business that way... i know because i had a local music store in a small town that would not replace a remo head i just bought.. the metal rim around the bottom separated from the head when i tried to tune it, so i went straight to remo and they shipped me one as long as i shipped them the old one( at their cost) so they can inspect it to see what caused it.

[Fredzs]

ordering through internet? the shipping will cost more than im gonna buy... and i will ask him if he can get me one, probably a clear emperor and clear powerstroke for bass

[hero12300]

Get the remo renaissance heads! they sound very nice! Atleast get one for your snare.:)

[Fredzs]

i just got the pins, and frankly, it still rings ... i thought it was supposed to be dead? and the bass drum sounds awfull w/o a muffler in it, it sounds like a gong bass, and the toms have a lot of ping to it, anyhelp??

[Wickerman]

welcome to pinstripes lol. No I shouldn't knock Pins because i still like them also. Pinstripes are my las resort if my LMS's don't have evans or Remo Emperors. just pitch tune them... tune the top head to sound like the shell, and the bottom head a tad higher until the overtones are out

[Fredzs]

bah, i wish they had hydraulics here, my teacher has them in his marquis' and it sounds awesome, im gonna use them for my studio anywayz, so i need a dead sound, but with around 0.5 second sustain..

[kimboy]

grab the pinstripes & ambassadors!

also use o-rings!

[XCURSIONDRUMMER]

Originally posted by Jonas Sperl
true...I prefer evans
Last time i used an evans g1 coated it broke in about 10 mins. i find them cheaper than remo

[doc_on_drums]

Originally posted by XCURSIONDRUMMER

Last time i used an evans g1 coated it broke in about 10 mins. i find them cheaper than remo
What were you hitting it with? a hatchet?
Or do you tune ridiculously loose?
Even back when I played for all the power I could get and used 3S sticks I never broke any properly tuned heads that quick.