It's finally coming together :)

[ZBlacktt]

First off, big thanks the Carl and this forum for getting my problem sent to the right person ( Gary Scott ) and getting me on my way to having this drum kit put together and just here. Got my first few boxes in yesterday. Still some out there, but hey, it's a start :). I asked that my Export kit come with a 18" x 22" bass instead of the standard 16" x 22".

In picture.

5.5" x 14" snare
8" x 10" tom
10" x 12" tom
11" x 13" tom
12" x 14" tom
16" x 16" floor tom
18" x 22" bass
18" x 22" bass


Kit's missing still. Projected date of next three weeks.

16" x 18" floor tom
9" x 12" tom
10" x 10" tom
8" x 8" tom

Ordered all the cymbals straight from Zildjian and had them all made in Brilliant finish.

In picture.

A Custom 22" ride

A 19" Crash

A 19" Med Crash

A 17" Med Crash

A 17" Med Thin

A 14" Master Sound hats


Still missing with same three week window.

18" China low

16" China high

12" Splash

10" Splash

Bass pedals are DW 5000AD Delta II's, going back tomorrow to get more Pearl cymbal stands, until then, back in there bags...lol.

Again, thanks Pearl for making me very happy, been a long 4 months..... But well worth the wait. :)

[ZBlacktt]

Nice

[ZBlacktt]

Pic.

[Cameron Milne]

Hey Z!
Glad to see the first few(yea right) peices. That's gonna be one monster kit when you get it put all together. It's nice to hear this is finally coming together for you. Let us know when you get the rest and get some more pics up. Happy New Kit Day!

[creep]

sweet kit

[ZBlacktt]

See that wall behind the drums? That wasn't even there like that from the start of this drum ordeal....lol. There's track lighting up above it now to with different colored lights and just the other day I was at a big department store where they where pushing mostly Halloween costumes etc. Well, anyway I seen this machine that makes fog. This thing puts out some 26,000btu ( a lot ), so I just had to get it,,,,lol. See where I'm going with this,,,,lol. So I got a wig as well it long as Black hair, spiked wrist bands, etc,etc. A Halloween around here is going to be a rock concert...lol.

Like kids come up to the garage and it's pitch black and all. Just as there up to the door, flick the lights on and just lay into the cymbals and double bass in full dress make-up and spikes, sticking my tongue out like Gene Simmons ,,, lol. Playing to some loud *** metal band on the sound system I have set up to play along to.

Here's me out of the blue on a nice fine Saturday afternoon. Can you tell my neighbors love me....lol. No kids on our circle drive and they ( neighbors took the pic ) ,, lol.

[ZBlacktt]

LOL

[ZBlacktt]

fun,fun

[lorddraco98]

o man, that's gonna be a sweet set! Keep us updated with pics please!

[Nez]

holy cow!
it's huge already, and it's not even all turned up! :D
can't wait to see the whole thing!

[Sloouh]

Nice car and more importantly, NICE KIT.

Can you imagen what that would be like in masterworks. Especialy with those A customs. :D

[luvmydrumz]

Your kit looks killer. I love a black kit. My 2nd kit is almost exactly the same kit. I'd love to break it in for ya. You need a rack now. Money doesn't look like a problem, go for the double deck Icon rack.

[ZBlacktt]

I was looking at that idea the other day, because I'm going to need like 8 stands as of now and whatever I decide to add on there after. At an avg. price of $70 bucks a stand, that's around is $560 bucks more, plus the hassle of trying to fit all them stands near each other and then angle them in position ( sigh ).

Where can I see a picture of this rack you mentioned? What's the avg. price on one of those as well, if you know off hand? I still have to get all new heads for this kit once they all get here. Going with the Pinstripes on all of the tom's. What's the best snare upgrade I can get?

Thanks bro, Jerry ;)

[luvmydrumz]

Look on the Pearl website for pictures of their racks. I love the remo Powerstroke 3 batter snare head. I usually use pinstripes, however I just switched to Powerstroke 3 tom heads. I'm still getting used to them.

[ZBlacktt]

But I searched and looked all over that site and seen no racks...lol. But I do have catalogs here at home of all there drums set's with add on's, all there hardware with ID numbers etc. Now looking in there I seen the DR-500 and the DR-500L and DR-500E. Looks like I'd get the two of the DR-500L's and just switch one so that they forum around the drums to makes sense in mounting. Then add the CH-88's and CH-80's and so on for each cymbal. The rack is joint in the middle by a Rack Joint as they call it ( RJ-50 ). Why do I see myself bringing this catalog in with me to piece this together......lol.

[luvmydrumz]

Go to Pearldrum.com page down to jump to section. Look for drum rack. The only bad thing is that they don't have any pictures of the extensions for the top rack....but it is possible. It looks really cool and it is the best drum rack made.

[Cameron Milne]

Hey Z, dig this. I just bought new Evans Hydraulics in blue for all my toms. I get them home and on my kit and guess what? The 10" head is a totally different shade of blue than the others. WTF! Given everything I just had to laugh. It figures, eh?
Cam

[ZBlacktt]

Bust out the camera. Just love to see people dreams of shells and skins that they put together. Each kit is unique and a part of ones personalty. For me, I'm stuck in the 80's metal hair band time frame and that's all I want to know. I have many other likes in musical taste, sure. But when it comes down to that question of stuck on an Island and what music would you take, I go to my roots. Infact I'm looking at a few other drums that I'm adding to the kit right now. I forgot what there called, but there's 3 of them on a stand, like a 6",8" and a 10" drums that are all clear and about 3" deep each. Have you seen this little set up? I think Remo makes it. But I was working them out the other day at Guitar Center.

[LiLdRuMmERbOy?]

I think your referring to "Roto-toms" made by Remo. They can be tuned, simply by turning the drum, hence the name. I'm 99% sure your thinking of "Roto-Toms".

[luvmydrumz]

Here is my kit. As you can see it is black.
I changed from a set with two kicks to a single with the double pedal (easier to transport). I love the rack. I don't think I could ever go to a rackless kit again. This pic was taken in our basement office. I'll have to submit a live performance pic where you can see the whole set. When I practice my in office I use an old kick from my old export set. My session kick has the wood hoops and looks a lot better.

[ZBlacktt]

I got my 8" x 8" tom today and ordered my Remo 6", 8", 10" Roto-Tom kit today as well. I just need to stop,,,,,,,lol. Then I go in to peice together this rack system for the whole kit ( Gee fun ).:p

[luke]

hey luvmydrumz, that is a beautiful kit you have there and i was wondering what exactly is that rack you have. I was looking around the pearl sight at racks but i found that their racks don't have many spots to clamp out of. However the one on your kit seems to have a million and one places for mounting.

[luvmydrumz]

Thanks for the kind words. I use Pearl's basic Icon rack. I have everything except my snare, 16" floor tom and bass drum mounted to it.

I cut the legs off my high hat and mounted it to the rack, which works out great for creating space for my double kick pedal.

Mounted to my rack:
8" 10" 12" 14" toms
High hat
8 cymbals all with their own booms
1 closed hat
I also attach my drum overhead mics from the rack.
Everything is the same every night, and its so easy to transport.

[ZBlacktt]

With 8 x 8 tom added....... So 16" x 18" floor tom, 12" x 9" tom, 10" x 10" tom left on the drums itself. The Remo roto toms kit of a 6" , 8", 10" and the other cymbals and putting together the full rack to hold all this left.......... :p

OH Yea!!! everyone check out the nice Pearl kit on the movie ROCKSTAR. Even tho that's Jason Bonham's kit, just looks awesome to see it. Nice rack, double bass and all.

[luvmydrumz]

Hey ZblackT,
What kind of music will you play with that monster kit? Hopefully something with alot of drum fills and riffs. Your kit looks awesome!

[Lukus]

Looks wicked man :)

What AHEAD sticks are ya using?

[ZBlacktt]

Well, as far as I play and musical taste go, bro I'm all metal. I love the 80's bands, some 90's and some today's. Today's bands are far more technical and have come a lot farther than the bands a few decades ago as we all know. Bands like Disturbed are in my top 5 for sure. Because there very technical in drumming, but yet you can learn it fast with practice and time and time again playing.

To think, those two far left drums get moved over two more spaces for the missing 10" x 10" and 12 x 9" toms. Not sure on the placement of the 18" floor tom and the 16". If I want one on either side, because that right side is looking heavy already,,,lol.

But to answer another one of your questions about so many drums. Well to be honest, most of it's for show to myself. Ever since I started the love for drumming ( mid 80's ) I seen those big *** kits and I've always wanted one. But cost and housing something like that is damn hard to do. But now that I have my own home, I'm lucky to have this dream coming true and I'm only 33 and ((((( single )))))! ( <<<<< Key word ) ,,lol :p

Oh and yea, those are AHEAD 2B sticks ( very nice )

[Big King]

DUDE!!! STOP THE MADNESS!!!!:eek: :eek:

LOL just kidding...:D

I like huge kits too and used to have one, but in my experience, they are a hassle. I dont play strictly "metal" anymore and this is my current set-up.

http://www.specialfoods.com/dkit02.jpg

Its a great "all-around" kit. It works well for any musical situation.

Its cool that you are getting all that set up, but you will need to hire a professional roadie to set it up for you, or else you'll have to show up at the club 2 days in advance.. lol just kidding... but damn its huge.....

PS. get rid of that DW pedal!!!!!!! :eek:

[ZBlacktt]

Get rid of the DW pedal huh? So whats up with the Tama chair then....lol? ;)

So may I ask what pedals you have?:p Looks like a P-201P or P-101P, P101?

[ZBlacktt]

OK, I just posted this over in the hardware forum, but not sure if thats a slow side or not, cause I want to order this like today.


I have a 2000 Pearl Hardware catalong that shows all the pictures and item numbers for each item Pearl offers. Now I'm looking to put together a two bass rack system and this catalog shows me a listing I need is DR-500L, two of them and jointed by a RJ-50. But I look over on Pearl site for a price listing and it's not even on it? Now did something change here or did it get a new model number? Guitar Center gave me a price on this whole kit yesterday, I just wanta check to see if it's right?


http://www.pearldrum.com/pdrumrac.asp


Thanks people :)

[Big King]

LOL I needed a new throne in a hurry and my music store had a sale on these "Tama 1st chair" thrones. Its nice, but I'd love a "porkpie leopard skin throne."


My pedals are:
Bass drum: Pearl Double eliminator chain driven pedals.
Hi-Hat: Pearl eliminator pedal.

Excellent hi-hat stand. It has only 2 legs so you can get a slave positioned easy. For you i'd recommend 2 'single' pearl eliminator bass pedals and the new "cord" eliminator hi-hat stand. With the cord version you could place it anywhere on your drum rack.

Eliminators beat all other pedals just on their sheer flexability alone.

PS. I also have another 8" tom that is not pictured. :cool:

['Stumpy' Pepys]

Originally posted by ZBlacktt

But to answer another one of your questions about so many drums. Well to be honest, most of it's for show to myself. Ever since I started the love for drumming ( mid 80's ) I seen those big *** kits and I've always wanted one. But cost and housing something like that is damn hard to do. But now that I have my own home, I'm lucky to have this dream coming true and I'm only 33 and ((((( single )))))! ( <<<<< Key word ) ,,lol :p


Brilliant kit bud!

I'm a 30 yearl-old single guy too and just bought my first house. First thing I did was set up a drum room for myself (http://66.40.220.17/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2437&perpage=12&pagenumber=5)...even before I had furniture. :D

Now you're faced with the bid decision; do you build the rotating Neil Peart drum riser or the spinning Tommy Lee rig from the "Wild Side" video. :cool:

[ZBlacktt]

I had front row center stage for that Crue tour with Whitesnake opening. Still have the ticket stub and tour book. Seen Kiss in 76 and have that tour book too and many,many others....lol.

But yea, it's addicting to not stop adding sounds to the kit. I'm getting cow bells and other crap now too. Gotta play the Crue's classic's " LiveWire " :p

Anybody know the deal on my rack question with link,,lol?:rolleyes:

Nice kit Stumpy :)


Looks like you went the mega cymbal stand route that I was looking at,,,lol. But the rack just seemed so much easier to fit it all and not hassle with all them stands ,,,lol :p . Nice frame vintage metal records on the wall too......lol. I had them all and still do many to this day.

[ZBlacktt]

OK, no offense to AXEMAN over in the hardware section,,,lol. For posting a reply to my rack deal. But I don't think I need to get the DR-503 set up for my kit and the more I look over this the most lost I seem to get. Can someone that knows the ICON rack systems jump on here, I mean someone who knows that Item numbers have changed, parts superseded others and so on. I want to order this like yesterday,,,, lol.


Now from what I've read so far. The DR-500 line is now the DR-503 and the 500L is the 501, is this right so far?

The new systems have longer base feet and that's about all I seen. Now I have the info on the old model numbers and that's what I got a price for from GC on the DR-500L ( x 2 ) and a RJ-50 to join them together.

Now that model should be gone right and what's the new model number and is it the same as DR-500L just with bigger base feet?


Sure many have seen the Pearl add in music mags and drums mags of Mike Wengren's Pearl kit from the band Disturbed. Now I do not want my kit's rack to look like that. Having one bar over lapping the other like that to me throws off balance and looks like a conner fence post. I'm going to use the little 6" spacer Rack joint with what ever part replaced the DR-500L racks.


I have thus far 7 toms and 9 cymbals to get on this thing, unless floor toms get added on to this too, then it's all 9 toms.

[Jamie]

ZBlacktt, PLEASE post some pics of your kit when it is finished, it will look amazing!
Keep drumming
jamie

[fat-beefcake]

Hey yeah after lookin at stumpy's pic he aint got all that many stands i have 10 cymbals and i have like 8 stands with 2 extension boom arms of one for my 2 splashs. I play a variety of cymbals (instanbul zildjian and pearl (just a ride) and paiste and i find the stands help as they are far more adjustable interms of height than the racks however im going to purchase a rack just for my toms as they are makin me bass drums sound really crap. Anyway nice kit man i love metal and i wanna kit like that. Rock on Testament

[cornflake489]

nice set, but don't you think that that's enough pieces? How are you going to incorperate all those drums into you playing?
Anyway, congrads on the new set.

[FunK Maestro]

Don't ne of you people that have Black coloured drum kits find the dust anyoning...its ok if your in an air tight room...but who is? But no...i must admit, A squeal of delight escaped my lips when i saw the pics. Congrats my friend.:)

[Jamie]

Anybody else got any good pics of mega kits with loads of drums? if so please post em!
cheers
Jamie

[creep]

:eek:

[luvmydrumz]

Hey funk,
I've always had black drumsets and dust used to be a problem. I bought one of those hand held dust mits that you use on cars. In about 2 minutes my whole kit is dust free, and I can do it before everygig.

[Dylan]

Originally posted by Jamie
Anybody else got any good pics of mega kits with loads of drums? if so please post em!
cheers
Jamie

Z-
First off, Congrats on the kit and the house! Very cool setup- I think it's the set every drummer around our age wants, including me!:p

To Jamie-
You asked for lots of drums- this is the best I could do........LOL

Later-
DS

[Dylan]

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[Jonas Sperl]

ZBlacktt, that is looking like it'll be one awsome kit...keep us posted...

[ZBlacktt]

Well, down to one cymbal the 16" China high. Not sure what happen but it got another two week delay. For drums, waiting on the 10" x 10" and the 18 x 16" floor tom. Now the floor tom just got pushed back like a month, checked yesterday. Those must not be ordered very much or something, because that drum was ordered Sept 27th. But for what it worth, here's what I have now.

[ZBlacktt]

As you can see, I'm setting drums on the ground now ( the 8" x 8" ).

[lorddraco98]

that's ridiculous man, that kit is insane!
Nice work :D
That's an ELX right?

[Jookbox]

Originally posted by ZBlacktt

To think, those two far left drums get moved over two more spaces for the missing 10" x 10" and 12 x 9" toms. Not sure on the placement of the 18" floor tom and the 16". If I want one on either side, because that right side is looking heavy already,,,lol.



try putting a floor tom on the left and start a fill leading with your left hand. i've experimented with this and you can come up with some unique sounding fills

[ZBlacktt]

I was thinking and planing on shifting everything over to the left one space moving the 14" tom up over the Bass, so that the 18" will be in the 16" toms now ( in the pic ). Then as I was looking threw the Pearl catalog, I just had to see it,,,,,lol. A 15" tom,,,lol. Now it's getting to the point of " why not ".

[Jonas Sperl]

WOW ...I'm speechless...that is one insanely awsome kit...

[bigshuby182]

The more I look at it the more I want it........

[ZBlacktt]

I was the same way over the years. I seen all them bands from the 80's behind these monster kits and just fell in love with that. Like your own world, just sit back there and become one with the sounds that you create with your hands. That and there just awesome to sit back and look at, thing speaks for it's self.

I just got off the phone with Daniel King at Pearl. Those guys are just awesome, can't say enough on how they go out of there way for those buying the best drums out there. Like no matter if you buy MasterWorks to the Forum kit, you feel important and taken care of.

So with that in mind, I'm going to keep building this kit. I'm going down to order the 14" x 15" tom and have it be a hanging mounted type keeping only the 16" and the 18" floor toms. This way, I can slide everything over to the left ( looking down ) making room on that far right side. Just hope the ICON 501 racks can hold this much stuff, Cymbals too......lol :p

[luvmydrumz]

Where there is a will there is a way. I have my rack packed with stuff. Good luck to you. Don't forget to post a new picture with the new drums and hardware.:cool:

[journeyfanman]

So, have you gotten everything in finally? I'm still waiting for my EX-8 expansion kit. What a fricken joke. It's been 4 months since I paid and ordered the damn thing. This kind of stuff really ****** me off. Guitar Center is starting to piss me off too. I could always go in there with an advertisement from another company selling the same thing but lower in price. There motto is we'll match any price. Now, there playing this bull@#$% game of "We'll lets see if it's profitable for us to make this deal!" "Yo GC, Why don't you change your motto to ' We'll match any price that is higher than our price or 'We'll say we can match it and then get you in the doors and see if we can talk you into paying more by telling you that we can't make a profit at that price'" Anyways, glad to see somebody is getting there backorder in. I'm out!!!!

['Stumpy' Pepys]

Journey: They shouldn't have charged your for the expansion parts until you receive them. If you've already paid for it you should get your money back until the parts arrive. After all, Pearl didn't send GC a bill and not ship the parts so why is GC sitting on your hard earned cash? Is that even legal?

Once you get that dough back in your hand you can find a shop that will place the order with Pearl immediately, even if it costs a few bucks more than you were originally quoted. If a shop told you "we'll get you your order for 5% less than anyone else but you may have to wait as long as 6 months to get your order" you'd likely just spend the few extra bucks and get your drums ASAP.

[ZBlacktt]

You must be dealing with GC in Beaverton still? Put it this way, things where so bad over there, that I went in and canceled all my orders threw them which was my Fusion kit, two 19" Zildjians and two 17" Zildjians. I went back to the Portland store where I started because from the get go they where awesome. I transferred all my credit from Beaverton to the Portland shop and placed my orders there and I'm almost done with this kit now.

When or if you goto the Portland shop, ask for Pete. He knows me very well and that's who I've been going threw, very good guy. He talks directly in front of you with Pearl on the phone looking for your stuff and he gets dates and shows you on the computer screen. Plus without a doubt he somehow someway saved me more money then I was ever getting else where, so I'll leave it at that,,,,,,,,lol.

BTW, I'm still waiting on my 18 floor tom, ordered the 15" tom, still waiting on the 16" high China, and the have to go get the full Icon rack.:D

[journeyfanman]

HEY Z,
yA YOU AND i HAVE TALKED BEFORE BECAUSE WE LIVE IN THE SAME CRIB. I O TO A STORE THAT HAS A PETE. iS THIS THE STORE OVER BY THE CLACKAMAS TOWN CENTER. That store has been horrible at calling me back. If you don't keep on their *** they forget about you. By time I get in there the Pearl factory back east is closed and they cannot make a call to the GC rep, so we can figure out why there is a 4 month delay. Its just frustrating. I feel like I'm being ignored and nobody gives a damn. Hell, if I was a somebody in the music industry, everybody would be busting their A#% to make sure there was no delay and I was being attended too. "It's who you are not what you are!" that seems to get results. Anyways, I'm glad you are progressing. That was a freking mess you were involved.

[ZBlacktt]

I'll ask about you when I go back in there which should be damn soon. I go threw Pearl themselves as well now on my own. Even they know me now,,,lol. Just tell me what all your missing and I'll have them look and get answers for you, then I'll call Gary Scott at Pearl headquarters and see if he can find it.:)

[journeyfanman]

Well I've gotten Gene and Carl involved but the only thing I've heard is that they think the delay is caused by the west coast shipping strike! Anyways, they say that they'll check into it. It just sucks! I've been waiting 4 months! I know others have been waiting longer. When you pay up front, it really bites!!!! Hell, all my other stuff from Pearl came within a month or so. I'm not sure what the delay is being caused.

[232 thumper]

I am confused -
Per your initial post it appears you will have two 10" drums and two 12" drums - plus rotos (an additional 10" drum). Where are you gigging? You must be playing large stages. In the stage requirements section of my current bands contract, I require a 10x10' riser on a minimum 16 x 24' stage . It fits my 7 piece racked kit and monitor/submixing rig pretty well. Back in the late 80's I played a similar kit to what you are building (8,10, 12, 13, 14, 16, 18 and two 18 x24" bass drums - I think I have a pic...). if it was not a really good sized stage I would have to blow off any type of riser as the kit was simply two big and would dominate the stage.

I don't want to blow your high or be dis-respectful, I just dont understand the usefullness of such a large and redundant kit.
-Thump

[ZBlacktt]

Lets see from what you just posted. Back in the day you had a big kit like mine, now today it makes no sense to you or wasn't a redundant kit back then? Has you can also clearly see, none of the 10" drums are the same size 3", 9" and 10", same with 12's.

So Neil Peart has a redundant kit, Mike Portnoy has a redundant kit, Tico Torres, Eric Singer, Scott Rockenfield, Bozzio, David Silveria and so on and so on all have redundant kits?

And you Assume that I'm in a band I take it, for show me one word that states different. Drums are a life long hobby to me and I play for fun. This kit never leaves my home and I'll keep adding to it because drums are like ones car they drive. Just because some don't like it or understand it doesn't mean there in different.

Just because not every song needs every drum doesn't mean theres no use for them all as well. I play outside the musicbox just as much inside the box. Meaning like you I'm sure, I free style and make my own sounds and what better way to explore that channel than to have many sound pieces in ones kit?

respectfully replying:D

[Jonas Sperl]

I agree with you ZBlacktt, my dreamkit would consist of something like 20 different toms, 5 or 6 snare drums and about 4 bass drums...all different sizes of course...it wouldn't be a drumkit as such (I doubt I'd ever have the all the drums set up at one time) but more like a pool of resources (i.e. drums) from which I could make any number of kit configurations to suit the exact music I'm playing at that time...

[ZBlacktt]

Oh, dont think I haven't thought about the four bass set up,,,,,lol. Two 16" x 22" 's on the outside hooked by twin DW 5000 double pedals. Which is only like $440 bucks for the drums and like $130 for ea set of pedals. I mean, this is like once the kit is about done and your just looking to say " What the hell " ,,,lol. But play with passion and you'll never have enough drums.

One of the best drum video's I ever gotten that I say is a must is Bobby Rocks double video " The Zin of Drumming ". Talk about massive kit,,,lol. But I've followed Bobby from he's Vinnie Vincent days until now. :D

[Jonas Sperl]

The same goes with cymbals I think...I'd love to have something like 80 different cymbals, use maybe 12 - 18 at a time...but just being able to change them all the time when I want a new sound...I mean...if you can coax say 10 different sounds out of a cymbal (as an example, I'm know there's more) then with 80 cymbals that's 800 different sounds...why would anyone settle for less...???

['Stumpy' Pepys]

ZB: Keep on truckin' bud. You're an inspiration to us all. :D

One question though, when do you start construction of the Neil Peart rotating drum riser?

[232 thumper]

I did assume you were in a band. Sorry about that. I don't know if I would play very much if not in a gigging band or working in the studio. Thats the part I get off on.
Being that you dont have to haul it anywhere (let alone put new heads on it every month!) have fun - to each his own. This reminds me of a comic strip that I see hanging in various drum shops. The first pic is of an old school 4 piece kit. The caption reads "my first kit". The next pic is of a giant double bass kit with the caption reading "my second kit". The last pic is a bass drum, piccolo snare, one cymbal and a high hat with the caption "my last kit".

As far as redundancy goes, Bozzio and Mike are different animals. If your quest is to play musically as they do, rock on. However the other drummers you listed do not play redundant kits - except perhaps Neil (he has an extra 13" drum to the left of his snare). his toms are 8,10, 12, 13, 15, 18". Scott uses 8, 10, 12, 13, 16", and Tico and Eric use 12, 13, 16, 18" toms.

May I make a suggestion (three actually)?
1. Racks. I would reccommend buying the ICON with an extra arm and two extra legs. Then get the short connector arm for in between the bass drums. To "cage" the kit you will need two of these complete set ups. The legs of the upper rack fit into DR50 clamps on the lower rack.
2. Bass drums. If you are primarlily going for looks- go nuts. Bozzio was the first one to actually play more than two bass drums vs having them only for looks. On Alex Van Halens quad bass set up from the 1984 tour, the bass drums were actually horn (speaker) loaded. However, some of the players from that era (Vinny and Camine Appice, Blas Elias from Slaughter and the guy from Great White) had two additional kick drums mounted up high and behind them. Blas' kit used a very heavy gong bass (H style) stands to support them. Each stand must have wieghed 50 lbs. Being that you wont be moving them that wont be an issue. The guy from Great White had "this space for rent" stenciled on one of these drums - pretty funny. I must admit that I never saw any of these guys actually hit them.
3. Get a 50" Zildjian gong!

You were smart going with a black wrapped kit. You can always match it and/or recover it if you get board with the color.

[ZBlacktt]

Lets face it, I posted somewhere, the kits of the era have gone from simple to massive back to simple, and now complex. Looking at the field of drummers out there now, no one really sets there kits up in any order nowadays.

Drummers of the 80's once had that massive kit have all but left those at home and travel with just the necessities. This change was seen right at the end of the 80's as well, with Tommy Lee kicking off the Doctor Feelgood tour and leaving the chrome Pearl double bass kit home. As for Audie Desbrow kit, yes you got it down,,,lol. I've always thought he was a very good diverse drummer that you kinda have to know the sheet music to follow. I seen them more than a few times over the years, back when they toured with David Lee Roth,,,lol.

As for Neil kit, not sure where you looked up the Tom info, but it's more like this.

7 x 8
7 x 10
8 x 12
9 x 13
12 x 15
13 x 15
16 x 16
16 x 18

With a 5 x 14 Craviotto snare and a 4 x 13 Piccoio snare

16 x 22 bass

and a **** load of Roland V- drums and cow bells and a **** load of Zildjians ( 14 last I counted ).

So yea, we could talk about all the drummers that are still around today, that had bigger set up's and now switched to somewhat basic's from there beginnings.

Do you have pictures of your kit :)

[bigshuby182]

Going bigger just seems smarter, even though its more expensive. I mean, say your playing a jazz gig in a small room, you can easily just bring four drums out of 8 or 9 total. However, say you have a small kit and get tapped to play a metal gig? It just wouldn't work out. I realize stuff like that probably doesn't happen to pro's much, but I'm sure it happens a lot to people who don't play for a living.

I used to just want a four piece kit. I like punk, so I didn't see the point in more, then some of those guys starting adding a floor tom to the left side. So I figured that would be better, and thought I wanted a kit in that config. Right now, a six piece (basically a fusion kit plus a 16 by 14 tom) seems best, because my instructor mostly works with metal, but I can still strip the kit down to a 4 or 5 (even 2 for church) piece kit. Right now, I have a five piece in a baisc rock setup, but when (if?) I get a new kit, it'll probably be a 6 piece. But I could always change.........

[232 thumper]

A couple of links to some of "The Professor's" drum kit info:

http://www.dwdrums.com/pages/artdetail.asp
http://web.meganet.net/pez51/drumsetup.htm

[ZBlacktt]

Sept Modern Drummer list a 7 x 8 on there as well, and you can see it in the first picture of the special feature of him in that months mag as well. Which doesn't matter at this point,,,lol. But he does carry a big kit and that still is 7 to 8 toms.

Look at Bobby Rock's Peavey kit,,,lol. Now that looks like it takes days to set up.lol

Or Mike Portnoy, geez now that's saying when's enough, enough,,,lol. Again like 8 toms.

Or Mike Mangini big *** Pearl kit.:D

[creep]

How are you affording this huge kit?
All new cymbals as well?

Are you in a band?

[ZBlacktt]

I've had a passion for drums that started in 86 when I got my first kit. Nice Tama 7 piece. Which at the time, was hard to play because the noise for others and having it and living at home was not going to happen long before it would be time to go into another hobby.

So I did, and ever since back then, I looked and thought about getting another. I went in the Marines for 8 years ( 92 to 00 ), so no time or permanent place to have a kit, because I was always deployed. Then in the latter half of those Marines years I got married and had two girls. So family first and drums where out still. Well, two years ago, that life went south and she left ( thank God ). So I got the house ( I got it with GI bill anyway ).

So anyway back to 86, after I sold my first kit, my new passion was cars. Just got my license anyway and it parks outside. So I got into American muscle car's and got a 73 Dodge Challenger 340 six pac. So fast car was in and drums where on hold.

So in late 98 I was looking at getting out of the Marines and looking for jobs in a management position here in the Portland,OR and WA State area. I landed an Operation Supervisor job for a flooring company that I've been here since May of 99, Marines let me do my last year of service in UN-active status. So still having a family at the time my passion was cars still and I found myself in the market for a Nissan 300zx twin turbo car. By far one of the sexiest cars alive that will never go out of style. So I got one that same year one I got here to WA State. Which I have built to have 500 horsepower with Rims I got from Italy while in the Marines and 2000 watt stereo system that I got from Japan ( again Marines )

Well, in 2000 was when I got my life back and kept the 3 bedroom house ( and the car of course ). I knew this was the time that I could put together my dream kit that I've waited for some 14 years. So I still practiced and played threw out the years on others kits and practice pads so that I wouldn't start from ground zero. So I knew I wanted Pearl and my love of music has always been Heavy Metal and I loved those 80 metal kits where all you seen was drums on that stage. That's what I knew I wanted.

So that's a quick up to date look at how and why. I mean to me, nothing better in life then loud music, drums to release that feeling, a car that can give you that rush and a women that can hang with you and let you express yourself, which I have now. If you didn't see the car or if you care,,,,lol. It's back on page one.

I'm going to add every tom I can to this kit and just go crazy with it. The down side is the wait time. I mean geez, if you look around here I waited months and months and months to get this far with it, some are still waiting for there's, but so am I. I ordered a 18" floor tom back in Sept and still waiting. The other toms should be here anyday ( 10 x 10 and the 14 x 15 ).

The cymbals are also a life long dream. I didn't want any from a music store that had hand, finger prints or stick marks from people that weren't even going to buy that cymbal in the first place. So I went straight to Zildjian for them. Sure that was more wait time, but well worth it when they cost what they do. Plus I wanted all my cymbals in brilliant and that's a special order, even the Master Sound hit hats are brilliant ( top and bottom ). I got the A Custom 22" ride and rest are straight A's. I'm here to say that the A Custom is to thin, and it plays like a ride crash cymbal. So I'm going to get a A heavy ride or something that has way more ping to it. Other than that, finished with the cymbals and still waiting on a 16" high China from Zildjian that I ordered over a month ago.

When done looks like this:

Toms:

8 x 8
8 x 10
10 x 10
9 x 12
10 x 12
11 x 13
12 x 14
14 x 15

floor toms:
16 x 16
16 x 18

Bass:

18 x 22
18 x 22

Zildjians:

10 Splash
12 Splash
14" Master sounds hats
16" China high
17" Med crash
17" Thin crash
18" China low
19" Rock crash
19" Med crash
22" Med Ride

will have another Ride coming.

Bass pedals: DW 5000AD dual chain Delta II's


Still to go list.

501L ICON rack system
Pinstripe heads for whole kit
Cow bells
Evan's Bass drums pillow pads

Wish lits:

Additional
Bass drum 16 x 22
Bass drum 16 x 22

[Jonas Sperl]

Good on you ZBlacktt...I hope you can get what's on your wish list...four bass drums would be so cool...rock on...

Anyway, I have a question for you. Why did you choose an Export Select over something like a Session or Masters kit?...

[ZBlacktt]

Have you seen the price of a Masters kit at this size? It would have been in the $12,000 range for sure. Seeing that I play for the love and the love makes me no money,,,,,lol. I knew this kit with Pinstripe heads would do me just fine. Plus it would be a waste of a Masters kit to be sitting in my nicely done up garage and not some recording studio or live performance.:p

[Jonas Sperl]

I suppose you think I'm crazy then when I say that one day I would like to own a Masterworks kit that size to sit in my garage?:D

Now, I have another question for you, and I hope you don't mind. Judging from your posts you must have a fair amount of knowledge about the Export/Export Select range. I'm looking to upgrade my Pearl Forum to a new kit, and I'm toying with the idea of getting a 7 piece Export Select in Blue Mist (16"x22" bass, 5.5"x14" snare, 8"x10", 10"x12", 11"x13", 12"x14" rack toms and 16"x16" floor tom) with Zildjian cymbals (14" K hi-hats, 18" K dark crash thin, 19" K dark crash medium thin and 20" K ride) with all PowerPro hardware, PowerShifter Eliminator double kick and PowerShifter Eliminator hi-hat stand with drop clutch.

I was just wondering if that would be a worthwhile upgrade? (I don't know the price yet...I'm getting it priced up at the moment).

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

[ZBlacktt]

Well, knowing that Pearl has the level of stages in there kits, yet they all use there Heat Compression shell molding system, by moving upto the Export and Select your choices of wood and sound get deeper and richer and with the Slect your choice of colors is greatly added and you have the choice of EX and EXL which are made of the same woods, just more colors. Where the forum as you know has five colors.

Looks by the drums sizes your getting your getting a EXL kit with added on 14" tom and the 8 x 10 tom. And in time, you'll find yourself looking to expaned and you will. Toms will coming out of the wood work ,lol. :p

[JoshTheDrummer]

Zblackett-I been readin about your kit and your adventure in aquiring it. rock on! i'd love to have a kit of that stature but alas, I have no space and very little money. right now I've got a standard five piece kit with add on toms size 10x10 and 18x16, plus a double pedal. I'd love to have two bass drums though, I think it just looks kick ***. Hopefully for christmas I'm getting a whole new cymbal set-up. Oh, the joy of cymbals.

[Jonas Sperl]

Originally posted by ZBlacktt
Well, knowing that Pearl has the level of stages in there kits, yet they all use there Heat Compression shell molding system, by moving upto the Export and Select your choices of wood and sound get deeper and richer and with the Slect your choice of colors is greatly added and you have the choice of EX and EXL which are made of the same woods, just more colors. Where the forum as you know has five colors.

Looks by the drums sizes your getting your getting a EXL kit with added on 14" tom and the 8 x 10 tom. And in time, you'll find yourself looking to expaned and you will. Toms will coming out of the wood work ,lol. :p

Yeah, I know that the only difference between EX and ELX is the colour but I prefer the woodgrain finish rather than a wrap. And you're right about the 14" and 10" add on...the kit I'm getting priced up is actually ELX 825DH starter kit with the ELX-7 expansion pack, including all the hardware (although I'm gonna upgrade the bass pedal and hi-hat stand like I said before if I have the cash). By starting with the basic setup and expansion package I can make a relatively big kit at a fraction of the cost of having a completly custom kit...as ordering single toms in New Zealand cost a huge amount of money.

Anyway, thanks for your reply.

[Doug McQuay]

I'm curious...why has it taken so long to build this kit? I found this thread the day I ordered mine, and was concerned that I was about to fall into the "Shipping Delay Zone". I ordered it two days before Thanksgiving. Now I am tracking it with the shipper and it'll all be here by the 3rd of December (next week). Once it gets here I'll be ordering alot of expansion stuff, and am wondering what kind of delays to expect there? So far, it has been great. Pure White Pearls, baby! I'll post pics when Phase I is done.

That is one decent kit there bro.

[journeyfanman]

Originally posted by Doug McQuay
I'm curious...why has it taken so long to build this kit? I found this thread the day I ordered mine, and was concerned that I was about to fall into the "Shipping Delay Zone". I ordered it two days before Thanksgiving. Now I am tracking it with the shipper and it'll all be here by the 3rd of December (next week). Once it gets here I'll be ordering alot of expansion stuff, and am wondering what kind of delays to expect there? So far, it has been great. Pure White Pearls, baby! I'll post pics when Phase I is done.

That is one decent kit there bro.


Well, all I can tell you and Z Blackman and everybody else who has experienced shipping woes is that sometimes you get lucky, but if you order enough stuff you'll run into a jam. I went to another drum store,Wally's Drum Shop, yesterday and told him the problem I was going through. He told me first of all that Pearl stuff is awesome products--now here comes the but--but he said they were running into shipping problems too where it was taking so long for people to get there already paid orders. He told me a guy waited 1 year to get a MAsters snare drum. The guy said they had to reimburse the customer quite a bit for his wait--I wonder if G Center would do anything like that--especially for those of us who were given a delivery window two months out. Those two months go by nobody calls I call two weeks later and they tell me "Oh yea, your delivery date has been pushed back to middle of December. You know its not an issue of money as much as customer service. SOMEBODY STEP TO THE PLATE. Anyways, back to Wallys, the store manager was so fed up that they pulled there distributorship with Pearl. The guy told me that what happens is that the products are made in Taiwan. They wait for a big shipment to go out as you can imagine to save money on shipping. The stuff is shipped over here--and I do mean ship like like the seven seas. I was told that in an email from one of the Pearl guys who was trying to coax my distress. So, if you can compound the fact that your stuff is seafare shipped and if your order is one of the first orders of a shipment build up then you can see where the delay is sourced. Bottom line, my 5 piece mirror chrome drumkit came a week ahead of schedule. Great!!!! I also received a free tom from that offer that is goin on about 4 weeks ahead of schedule!!!!! I was like "Great again"!!! Then came the EX 8 kit I have been waiting on since August 21. I was like, "What the hell!!" I think the part that gets me is that nobody including Pearl can give me an answer. I have guys at Pearl that 3 weeks ago said they would get me an answer. Now, with the technology we have today, cmon. I know there busy and probably dealing with people like Zblack and me who are breathing on them about how they are waiting on back orders but what happened to replying to me. I have been lucky because I've gotten other Pearl products but they were instock. I was really hesitant because a person gets tired of goin through months and months of delays. In conclusion, my rant here is not to put Pearl down but to give them Kudos for great products but a less than satisfactory shipping system and communication. i have been hard on my local G Center but they can only shoulder part of the blame. It eally comes back to Pearl. Frankly. it would be nice if Pearl and G center could work together better to offer an online system, so people can track there orders themselves and have a trouble desk for back order issues. It would take the pressure off alot of people who don't need to be bothered. A big company is usually open to suggestions and improving their company--like Pearl-- and this an area that needs some refurbishing.

[ZBlacktt]

I went threw the same BS and lines given. My problem was more like I got both the Export and Fusion kit only to find out the kits had the different types of Mahogany woods and the colors where night and day. So I took the Fusion kit back and waited and waited for another to come, only to find out that the one I sent back was the new wood that Pearl uses and the one I kept was the discontinued wood. So I end up taking back the first kit I bought after waiting months for the other and ended up with nothing after like journeyfanman said, I paid for it all. So again more time went by and nothing. Summer turned to fall and now where into winter and I'm still waiting on stuff.......lol. But I did get 80% of my drums in the same week back when I posted this tread. But many have said, the buyer should be aware that there could be a waiting period that is far longer than the avg. on getting there kits or even a drum.

With the Export and Fusion kit you get a free add on drum of a 8" x 8" and a 10" x 10". So I sent in my order for those and got two 8" x 8's, then I had to send back one and now waiting on the 10 x 10 still. The 16 x 18 floor tom is a whole other animal,,,lol. I don't even think about that anymore. Better off that way seeing that 3 months have gone by and heading into the fourth now.

I think maybe it's what you order as well. If you stay on the path of a common order from Pearl, they'll most likely have it in stock, but if you go for Fusion kit's, big floor toms, or doing like I did with my Export kit by having them change the standard 22" x 16" bass to a 22" x 18", because the Fusion kit has a 22" x 18" and I wanted the bigger one of the two. So see where I was special ordering a lot of this as well?:rolleyes:

[Doug McQuay]

Wow. In that case, I won't say "jeez I feel like a lucky MoFo" until my stuff arrives next week. This is where McQuay's Law #9 (see my sig below) comes from. What we all need is a transporter device that will allow the hardware to arrive at the same rate they hit my American Excess card when I order it. Ach!

Happy drumming all...nice to find new friends with common interests after all these years.

[ZBlacktt]

Well, the 18" Floor tom finally showed up yesterday,,,lol. 3 and half months later and the 16" China high as well. So down to the 10 x 10 tom and the 14 x 15 tom and the rack.:D

[ZBlacktt]

See 8 x 8 still sitting on the ground :( , 18" floor on the right in pic, it will be move over near 16" once rack comes and all other drums shift over left, so that I can fit the hanging 15" tom behind the 14" now.

[ZBlacktt]

Love this shot..........lol ( other new pic's on page 7 as well )

['Stumpy' Pepys]

You are offically my new hero.

Isn't it hard playing your cymbals in that configuration though? :p

[luvmydrumz]

How do you like your China cymbals?
I'm thinking about getting a smaller china 12",13" or 14".
Did you figure out what rack to get or are you going with a million stands?

[ZBlacktt]

I tired the smaller size China and they didn't seem to carry the sound has much due to there small diameters. So if you want a fast sound that doesn't carrying into your playing, then your set, but with a big kit comes big sound and I like my cymbals to carry into the sounds from cymbal to cymbal and or drums. Because I'll go from both sides of the kit and that sound will carry until I pick up where ever else I go next. The 16" high was just right where I needed to be and the 18" is for actual playing time and time again like a ride. Because it doesn't resonate as long as the 16", yet delivers big deep sound. I also looked at what the Pro's use and since I'm playing there sounds, the cymbals will match in most all cases.

[ZBlacktt]

Hard to realy see it all..........:(

But as far as Racks go, I'm getting the ICON DR500L x 2 and the RJ50 rack joint to hold the two 500L's together in the middle. It'll come with 8 clamps with that kit and I'll just add all the rest that I need for drums and cymbals from there. They have all that at GC so no more delays. But I'm looking at CH-88L cymbal holders for the bigger cymbals ( i.e 19"s 18" china ) and CH-88's for the 17"s and so forth.

[JoshTheDrummer]

Where is the signup sheet for the Zblacktt fanclub?...you may have mentioned it before but what line of cymbals did you go with?

[JoshTheDrummer]

oh wait...first page...duh...my bad

[Doug McQuay]

Not a huge kit (and the expansion toms aren't here yet), but mine nonetheless. The difference is like Black and White...(couldn't resist). Just got here two days ago. Yippee!

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[Jonas Sperl]

...amazed and speechless...:eek:

[Tom Reyns]

Masterkit man!
Do you have to get stands for all those Zildjian cymbals???
Guess it gives a cool feeling if your behind your kit huh :D :D :D

Good luck!
Later,
Tom

[Doug McQuay]

Now all I need is a few more cymbals. Gotta admit they look a bit lopsided without the other kick, but love the consistent sound that comes with a double pedal.

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[ZBlacktt]

Looks nice Doug. But hey everyone, got my two free drums from Pearl in. Only problem is, for some damn reason I had a 8 x 8 and a 10 x 10 free tom on the brain this whole time, thinking it would work out just great since both the Export and Fusion don't carry those size's. Well, got the 8 x 8 few weeks ago and the 10" showed up yesterday. Only after opening the box did I look and see that it looked like the same size as my 10 x 8 that came with the Fusion. Well, it is and clearly says that now that I looked on the box. So looks like I'll be ordering a 10 x 10 now :rolleyes:

So I looked and seen how much I paid for the other 10 x 8 tom with my kit and it was $74.83. So if anybody wants a brand new 10 x 8 tom for $50+shipping ( can't be much at all ) it's yours. I could tune it a tad different from the other, but with this many drums, can't see the point. It'll go right back in the box it came, nothing else is open ( mounting stuff ), infact, it's already boxed.

[ZBlacktt]

See new 10 x 8 on the right ?

[ZBlacktt]

Other 10 x 8 on kit far left.

[zilflight]

wow dude, I wish I could get everything that I wanted for my kit all at once, kinda like you did. cept you had to wait a long time for it all, and I spose its still not all in, but dang all those cymbals and all those drums. Im gunna havta start out with a 5 piece kit and a crash and hats, and save my nickels and buy all the stuff one by one. but that kit looks sweet.

[Grungemonkey]

Hey you stoped postin stuff! if you've got any more recent pics put em up i wanna see!! especially when its finnished and you got all those cymbals up.

[ZBlacktt]

Still around as always, just when your down to nearing the end, waiting on one two things, seems to take longer, when really it's the same has before only now that one part say that I'm waiting on is slowing it all down. But I think the Holidays slows it all down, which is understandable.

[elisav13]

Yo, You want 50 bucks for that 10x8 drum, plus whatever the shipping is? What about the mounting hardware? Give me some details because i would like to buy it.

[Drum1]

How much did all those cymbals and that kit cost altogether then?
How can you afford all that and a nice fast car?

[ZBlacktt]

elisa13, the drum is brand new like I posted and I have two of them. Since, I ordered a 10 x 10 now like I thought I was going to get, I can't really see the need for 10" drums on this kit. So it's like it would be if it where sent to you from Pearl. Everything is brand new and the hardware was never opened. Everything is back in the box it came and looks like it was never open. If you where to buy it from a store say Guitar Center or so and take the 40% of retail it would be $74.84, because that's what I paid for my other one on the kit now. Not looking to make anything off the drum, really just looking to help others build on there kits :D

my email is ZBlacktt@aol.com

Drum1, as far as cost for everything, I haven't even counted it all up, somewhere around 5 grand was what I was guessing at one time. I have some many receipts here with $500,600 and one with $1400, few $475's, one $800 and so on, around 15 in all or so. I never looked at it from a stand point of cost. More at it like if I could put together my dream kit. I've been into drums for a very long time, I just had no place to put something like this or under any conditions to where I could play it and not disturb others. As far as the car goes, it's another hobby of mine that makes the drum kit look incredibly cheap ,,, lol. I got into 300zx twinturbo car 6 years ago and have spend a far greater deal on it and once the drum kit is finished, the car will get a lot more power parts added, like far bigger turbo's, injectors and so on. Somewhere around 750 rear wheel horse power is projected without Nitrous oxide.

I guess a big part of being where I am today is really based on going into the Marines for 8 years. I was able to travel the world for free, live for free, eat basically for free, free medical, free dental and so on. To where I landed a management position and had no bills or real debt once I left the service. Not saying that's the answer for everyone, but I did want to travel the world and do things that I know normally would have not done. I got the rims for my car over in Italy, the stereo system for the car over in Japan and went to many other countries and no I'm not selling the services here,,,,lol. But I did also get Veterans Assistants ( or VA loan ) to buy my house and move in for Free for being in the service, which everyone gets once the get out under an honorable discharge.:D

[elisav13]

So how much are you willing to sell it for and it comes with the iss and everything needed to mount the tom? Where exactly are you located? Thanks for the reply

[elisav13]

can i maybe get a few pics also. My e-mail is: elisav13@hotmail.com

[ZBlacktt]

I'm from Vancouver, WA ( see under screen name ), I post pic's just above and on previous page. All hardware and drum is back in original box and hardware was never opened. It's the same thing you would get if Pearl had shipped it to yourself. I just took $25 off what you or I would have paid for it, that's all. :)

[elisav13]

Thanks alot, i'll get back to you as soon as i can if i'll buy it.

[AntiConformist]

that's just awesome. I absolutely love huge kits. With a minimalist kit, which seems to be rather popular, you're limiting what you can do. With the setup you've got, you can play WHATEVER you want. If you want to use the snare, high hat, bass, and a few cymbals, you can do it. If you want to play amazing fills, you've got everything you need... man, that kit and a car with 750 hp at the rear wheel?! I envy you!

[AntiConformist]

bump... hoping for some more pics as soon as you get that rack/those cymbals set up!

[Bobo The Clowno]

Haven't got the rack yet? Still waiting for photo's of the kit in its entirety (Well, at least what you've alrady ordered!)

[Rory444]

when are you getting all the stands for all th0oses cymbals? and how much is al that costing you if you don't mind me asking! you don't have to answer that if you don't want though!

[ZBlacktt]

I haven't fogot about you guys,,,,lol. Just have lot going on right now, but got the ICON rack system in, part anyway, missing other side, just have to set it up. Had to order all the cymbals holders, because GC doesn't stock those, ( sigh ) :(

So those, the 15" tom and the 10" tom and heads left.

[ZBlacktt]

:)

[Doug McQuay]

Amazing. First post when this began was on October 16, 2002. Now pushing February and it still isn't all there. Quite the project you got there bro'.

[Jonas Sperl]

ZBlacktt...don't you get frustrated having to wait for so long?...The kit is looking nice by the way.:D

[ZBlacktt]

I first started building this kit in June/ Aug 2002. When I came on here stating that my Export didn't look like my Fusion kit. So I ended up sending it all back to Pearl and starting over.

And Jonas that's an understatment,,,lol:p I can't imagine being in a band and needing a kit or parts. You'd be waiting for months like in my case........lol :rolleyes:

[Doug McQuay]

Strange...unless you live in Antarctica...lol. Looks like it'll be a blast once you get it done. Took me about two weeks to put this one together, which was mostly just UPS ground time:

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[ZBlacktt]

It think that's because you have one kit with add on's. I have two full kits with add on's. So one kit was old version wood and one kit was new version and myself and GC had no clue of the change. Then the Fusion kit tha I sent back was back ordered for 3 months, so I was left without that half, only to find out that the Fusion kit I took back, was the new version of wood and the one I was waiting on was going to be the same wood once it came back and the Export kit I kept was old and would not match the Fusion kits once it finally got back to me. So that's why I had to send the Export back as well three months into the kit, leaving me with nothing at the time yet having already spend the money for both kits.

Same with the Cymbals. GC sells what's on the floor at there shops as you may know. I didn't want to buy some cymbal that looked used and I did take my very first on home that they said I could just clean. Well, I'm a perfectionist and that didn't cut it for me, so I took it back. So from there on forward I ordered the all 10 of them straight from Zildjian themselves, plus I wanted all in Brilliant finnish and that is a custom order in it's self, even the high hats.

Plus the 18" floor tom was a 3 month back order, I had both my bass drums ordered in a 18 x 22 size, when they come 16 x 22. So more than most the wait time was on me. But I wouldn't have it any other way. Then found out that GC doesn't stock the CH-88L or the CH-88 cymbal stands for the ICON rack system, which I need two of each, had to order, but they did have the CH-80's and got two of them that I needed as well.

Then I was informed by Pearl that the DR-500L ICON system was no longer available. So I had to go the DR-503 route with a DR-500E add on to make it work. So got the DR-503 the other day and waiting on the DR-500E and the RJ-50 rack joint, that will hold the two sides together in the middle of the two bass drums. So start to see where to wait time has come from,,,,,,,,lol:p

Trust me bro, it's been a long road and one I don't want to do again,,,lol.:p

[Jonas Sperl]

I suppose at the end of the day you can at least say the wait was worthwhile...I mean...look at that kit...it is just going to be amazing!

Also...Doug...your kit looks primo...but, I'm curious why you chose white for the colour?

[JC]

LOL, Awsome kit man, i didnt know this was going on since October, I just finished reading the whole>>>>>>>>>>>>>whole thread, took me like 1 hour and a half. I cant wait till its all done to see the pics man!!! Keep us posted, and the Icon rack system will save you money on stands, creates a neater visuall affect than all those stand legs all over the carpet, and its esiear to tour with... have fun man!!!

[Doug McQuay]

Originally posted by Jonas Sperl
Also...Doug...your kit looks primo...but, I'm curious why you chose white for the colour?

Because it represents the Purity of my nature...Muhahahaha! Actually, it took me a while to decide on the color. Was gonna do the mirrored chrome bit, but decided it was more fun to play the drums than it is to continually wipe the fingerprints off. After looking at all the other finishes I liked white the most.

[MikeH]

holy crap, i just read the whole thing with a huge smile on my face. i also fell in love with the monster kits when i was a teenager. bought one, sold it for a bike. sold the bike a few years later cuz the girlfriend wanted a car, so i bought a jeep. lived in apartments so i never bought a new kit. 2 years ago met an old flame (that im married to now) and started bringing all the toys back into my life. bought a new jeep to play with, have an old jeep to monsterize (almost there), and started to piece together my dream set also. im up to 11 drums (need an 18 to finish it) and now workin on my cymbals. in total it'll be a 12 piece with 14 cymbals. are you still gettin the rotos????? for me, that was the 1st add on i did. a kit is not complete without rotos. keep it up Z.

[Cameron Milne]

Hey Z!
It's been a while. You've been a busy boy by the looks of things. I see you finally got all your shells to match. Kit looks mighty impressive man. The icon rack will be a nice touch. Let me know when it's all together or shoot me an email.
I'm glad things are finally coming together.
Cam

[AntiConformist]

well, you've peaked my curiosity, and now I think I may do something similar but on a smaller scale/slower pace than you... I have a standard rock setup, 12/13/16/22, and i'm considering expanding it to a 8/10/12/13/14/16/22/22... I won't have the cash for that number of cymbals up front, but all in due time. :) then again it may never happen... we'll see

[AntiConformist]

this is what I THINK I may go for... It'll cost a pretty penny, but I've got a good sum of money coming in sometime in the relatively near future...

Bass Drums-
16x22
16x22
Rack Toms -
8x8
8x10
10x12
11x13
12x14
Floor Toms-
14x14
16x16
Snare-
5.5x14 (stock export, I'll upgrade when I come across some more cash..)

I'm thinking 2 IC's or 2 Eliminators... I can do all that for under 1k, if I take proper advantage of pearl's expansion packages. (I've already got a rock-sized export, and a few cymbals to make due for the moment)

Any thoughts or comments? a couple of the sizes aren't IDEAL, but with proper tuning I can make 'em work... i think.

[ZBlacktt]

Yea it's been awhile. What have you been up to lately? Yea as you can see still going,,,,lol. Soon as the other side of the ICON rack gets here I'll put it up. That and Christmas slowed me down with diverting the money elsewhere. But back on track now. Now that I'm looking into heads, boy I'm getting different reviews there at GC from drummers there at the times I'm in there. Some are saying go with Evans for sound and Pinstripes for loudness and longevity. So up in the air on that now.

As far as your kit AntiConformist, I didn't go after it all in one shot. I did paid like $500 this week and $1200 one week or $650 here and so on as I went along. Really no big hurry because I don't play in a band, I drum for the love and passion of it and it's a big center piece of attraction here at my house,,, lol. But build it to fit your personality and lifestyle I say. You can always add on forever.

Not sure when I'll be done,done with this one. I want cow bells and other crap too. Who knows, maybe even a big *** 36" gong cymbal behind me like Alex Vanhalen ,,,, lol. :p

[AntiConformist]

if going for it in one big bang were an option, ya, definitely... but I definitely don't have the cash. Owell. Turns out I can upgrade my 5 piece to those specs for about 750 bucks or so... I think I'll do it as soon as possible.

[JC]

OMG, LOL what kit, hurry up Zblack i want to see your kit finished, hehe.

[AntiConformist]

::whistles::

[Mr. Possibility]

Dude, did you just order a drum of every size in the export line? That is an awesome set, you will have loads of fun with that.

[Ceiran]

Originally posted by ZBlacktt
You must be dealing with GC in Beaverton still? Put it this way, things where so bad over there, that I went in and canceled all my orders threw them which was my Fusion kit, two 19" Zildjians and two 17" Zildjians. I went back to the Portland store where I started because from the get go they where awesome. I transferred all my credit from Beaverton to the Portland shop and placed my orders there and I'm almost done with this kit now.

When or if you goto the Portland shop, ask for Pete. He knows me very well and that's who I've been going threw, very good guy. He talks directly in front of you with Pearl on the phone looking for your stuff and he gets dates and shows you on the computer screen. Plus without a doubt he somehow someway saved me more money then I was ever getting else where, so I'll leave it at that,,,,,,,,lol.

BTW, I'm still waiting on my 18 floor tom, ordered the 15" tom, still waiting on the 16" high China, and the have to go get the full Icon rack.:D

When you say portland, do you mean Clackamas? That's the one that I always go to!

Good to see some Portland drummers on the boards! :) I used to be in the NW Z Car Club, Z, owned a 92 and a 95 300ZX both Twin Turbo's.

[PilgrimDrummer]

I'm not from Potland, but my girlfriend is from Gresham. I'm going to WOU, near Salem...And BTW I go to the Guitar Center in Eugene, Danny is the man: Very knowlegable, very easy to work with...

[ZBlacktt]

Sorry it's been a while. Been real busy and all. Just drove back last night from Kansas City, MO. Like 1900 miles in 26 hours and a snow storm to boot. But went straight to GC today and paid the finial installment on what ever else I needed for this kit. So much has gone into this now, I mean buying holders, brackets, clamps, just a lot of little things that took weeks to get here, here at the end of it all. The ICON rack system has been a nightmare to get right as well. The 501-L system that I needed is no longer available. So I had to go with the DR-503 and get two DR-500 add on, only now there's two DR-500 kits, ones a DR-500E and a DR-500L, only difference being that the DR-500E has a smaller base foot bar. Well, we didn't know this when ordering, so it came with the smaller feet compared to the 503 that GC had at the store. So had to reorder those to parts of the rack ( pain in the *** ). But as many know, what hasn't been with this kit,,,lol.:rolleyes:

So, here's where she is to date.

[ZBlacktt]

:)

[ZBlacktt]

Here's another thing that took me so long to get back on here. I go another 300zx twinturbo. My second fav color.....lol. So been working on it already, making faster as well.:D

[ZBlacktt]

Stuff from today. All the heads for the kit, another DW 5000AD dual chain accelerator pedal, chrome cow bell and bracket, new Pro mark sticks, came with a cool DVD and CD from drummers like Mike of Dream Theater. Ordered the rest of the ICON rack ( again today ), more clamps, two CH-88 cymbal holders, four CH-80's for the other cymbals and mounting gear.

[ZBlacktt]

See tight space in here,,, lol.

[ZBlacktt]

This has old heads on it still.

[ZBlacktt]

:)

[Jookbox]

someone buy this guy a drum throne!

[ZBlacktt]

Funny, I ordered that today as well. They didn't have the Pearl one I wanted ( D-210 ). Forgot to mention that, because I figure not a highlight item ;)

[DeadJotun]

with all the money you spent on the drums you probably could have bought a nice masters kit. dude do you really need all thosse drums? i would have gotten cymbal rack clamps in stead of 7 toms jesus.

[ZBlacktt]

This is one of the badest drummers out right now. Check out his Pearl kit. One day I want to be as fast and acturate of this. That's my next dream. Mudvayn's drummer



http://www.mtv.com/sitewide/videoplayer/index.jhtml?vid=19035&s0=onair&s1=spankinnewmusic&s2=2002&s3=video&s4=mudvayne&adPth=/adsetup/onair/spankinnewmusic/2002/video/&adPN=index

[Mr. Possibility]

That would be Spag, or is it Spug, from Mudvayne. He is pretty good.

[zilflight]

Originally posted by DeadJotun
with all the money you spent on the drums you probably could have bought a nice masters kit. dude do you really need all thosse drums? i would have gotten cymbal rack clamps in stead of 7 toms jesus.
if you took the time to read the whole thread, which I wouldnt blame you for not doing, you would find out that zblacktt wants this size drumset mostly for the visual appeal. he admitted that he wouldnt be playing each and every drum very often, but since he grew up with bands that had kits like the kit he now has, he wanted one like those bands. of course he could have gotten better drums, but that would mean less drums, and he wanted a high number of drums. oh by the way, zblacktt, if you just wanted to add even more drums, you could get multiple snares, quarter toms/octobans, timbales, bongos, congas, rototoms, etc. I have no idea where you might fit all of that, but just in case you didnt think it was big enough yet... well have a nice day.

[ZBlacktt]

Well, a Masters kit would be nice, but I'm not in a band, plus the fact that a kit sounds best in a studio or a setting of that nature. So spending that kinda money on just a loved hobby would you not find more waste in that?

Need all them drums? Do you ask the same of drummers in the bands you might listen to that same question? Didn't know we all had to have small kits, or drums that we only use 90% of the time? Trust me, when this set up is done, I'll be looking for ways to add more to it. Just getting what I have to fit now. Looking at a 15" tom now.

Not sure of all the negative in your post, heck don't ever remember seeing your name on here before. But sure you have a nice kit of your own, don't you ;)

[Big King]

Maybe this was mentioned before, but DUDE!! CONSIDER A NEW PEARL ICON RACK. It will save your life if you set is going to be a large as you are planning. I just got one and it's great. There is no "tom sway" when they are on the rack, or "Cymbal drift." I highly recommend it.

[AntiConformist]

...... he has a pearl icon rack?

[ZBlacktt]

Is he talking to me? I mean pictures speaks for themselves .. lol:D

[Tom Reyns]

Very nice kit!
Could you give us the specs of that one?
(if you have time left :D )

[ZBlacktt]

Please see page one of this post. It's been a long 9 months or so of putting this together. But I had the kit sizes picked out from the beginning.

[luvmydrumz]

I've been checking this site every now and then. Good for you on making this kit come true. I think it looks awesome, and I hope you have fun playing it.
Don't worry about the negative crap people post, they aren't playing your drums....you are!

[powermatt99]

Originally posted by DeadJotun
with all the money you spent on the drums you probably could have bought a nice masters kit. dude do you really need all thosse drums? i would have gotten cymbal rack clamps in stead of 7 toms jesus.

Give it a rest. He can buy whatever kind of set he chooses. Who are you to tell someone else what they should have purchased. How 'bout you post your kit and let us tell you what you do and do not need.

[ZBlacktt]

Well, do to popular demand ( full on kidding here ), I just got back from ordering the 15" tom. I'm moving the 18" floor over to my left and moving the 16" floor tom back, so the 15" can got there on the Icon. So that's it for now until I get this all set in place. I already got the Remo head for the 15" drum today. So when it's all here and set, I'm looking at adding a few more cymbals. Yea I know, sounds crazy, but I feel that there will be gaps or spaces to far apart with so many toms. I like that sea affect as you look at most monster kits of stacks of cymbals when looking from a birds eye veiw. Having the different colored lights shine down on them. Which I have installed above this kit.

The 19" cymbals really ring out. I love the 17" ones. Nice and crisp sounding. So maybe look at 18's or 16's next.

Oh and one more thing, I'm getting another snare drum sent to me as well. I only got one with my full order from both the Export and Fusion kits. When each comes with it's on snare as we all know. So I'll throw and different head on that and place it to my back right some or who knows........lol :rolleyes:

[AntiConformist]

Originally posted by ZBlacktt
Just drove back last night from Kansas City, MO. Like 1900 miles in 26 hours and a snow storm to boot.

Hmm... Kansas City.... what could you possibly need there? I live there (or in a suburb, at least), and it's about as worthless as it gets!!

[ZBlacktt]

I went to Raytown Highschool back in 86 to 88. Plus I have friends there still and my oldest daughter lives there with my highschool sweet heart,,,lol. So I went out for her B-day. What part of town do you live in? Next time I'm out, we can hook up for a beer or a drum work out :)

[LambofGod3]

Not to be a jerk but, how old are you? the kit looks great i just recently ordered my export select and i am building my dream kit. Just gotta wait forever for the drums to get here.

[Wickerman]

Does your music store roll out the red carpet whn you drive up there? lol they must love you lol
they watch for you in the window...Oh **** heer he comes!!!! everyone to the front,, smile now!!!!! lol Withthe size of your kit your probably paying a couple reps wages from the store lol

[ZBlacktt]

Well, not to be a jerk but, but why do you ask age here...lol.(On a drum forum,,,lol. Anyway 33 if you'd like to know and seeing that my area of musical preference is 80's metal, that might lean one to think mid to lower 30's. Plus I know it's a very long tread, but I have stated this in here if you look around, like page 3 perhaps :)

Yes, that's my house, yes those are my cars, yes I pay for it myself if that's why you ask..lol. These are just loves and personal passionate hobbies of my that I'm sharing here. Nothing more.


Wickerman :)


As far as them loving me, sure I have a good friend there now and the only guy I've went threw to put this together after such an ordeal back in the beginning of this. This drum set is big and yea it cost money, but it's not that bad. I think around $7000 for it all or so, haven't added it up nor do I really care about that. The purpose of having it far out weights the price for obtaining it. I'm having the guy at GC look up the full price of this kit in the Master Series now just to see how much of a difference it would have been. I'm guessing around $12,000 for the drums.:p

[Wickerman]

yeah your probably right about the masters being around 12k for the shells only. I had a HUGE kit like that too and I had the two tier rack tho...lower and upper...maybe you should do tht too lol then I started playing out alot and my kit size started to shrink dramatically.. carrying it was no picnic, then i had to set it up, do a show, and then tear it down and take it home.. long day and totally burned out... if i wasn't playing out alot I would have a huge kit also once again lol

[ZBlacktt]

I never expected this post to go over 6000 viewers or 160 reply's. For those that want to cut down time. Pictures are on page 1,2,3 and 4 from the start of the kit and page 12 to where it is now. I talked with my hook up at GC about the other items on order which is the following

15 x 14 Tom

DR-501E ICON extender

4 PC-50 clamps

2 CH-88 cymbals holders

4 CH-80 cymbal holders

2 ICON pipe chrome adjustable cymbals clamps

D-210 Drum throne

I think that's all on order, but should all be here by next Wednesday.



Recap of the full kit ( Bare with me )


The whole kit was handed picked out by Gary Scott. Pearls head guy for all Guitar Centers Nation wide. Thanks bro :)


Snare:

Two 14"x5.5" Wood Snare Drums

Toms:

8 x 8
10 x 8
10 x 10
12 x 9
12 x 10
13 x 11
14 x 12
15 x 14

floor toms:

16 x 16
18 x 16

Bass:

22 x 18
22 x 18

Pinstripe heads for the whole kit.


Zildjians: All from Zildjian themselves in Brilliant finish. All " A " cymbals expect the Ride, which is a Custom A.

10 Splash
12 Splash
14" Master sounds Hi-hats
16" China high
17" Medium crash
17" Thin crash
18" China low
19" Rock crash
19" Medium crash
22" Medium Ride

Will have another Ride coming, and a few other cymbals once all these are in place.

Two Bass pedals: DW 5000AD dual chain accelerator Delta II's


Full ICON rack system with RJ-50 rack joint many extras such as PC-50 clamps and end pipe chrome cymbal adjustable clamps.

Midrange Chrome cow bell and hardware

Other Pearl gear on the kit:

B-800 Ride cymbal boom stand

Two CH-80 cymbal holders

H-800W Hi hat stand

S-800W Snare stand


When it's all together this is next:

Replacing main snare with Ultra-cast in Black model# UCA-1450.

Replacing all the I.S.S tom holders with O.P.S.S

Few more Zildjian cymbals in the 18" to 16" range.


Then one day down the road, I'll look into ordering all these drum shells in Master Series. Figured I could just order the shell only and replace these with those, keeping the mounting gear, drum rings, stands. Who knows, it's only money ( sigh ):rolleyes:

[sk8drummer]

yo dude, could u uh give me the ISS mounts ur not gonna use...

dumb question but hey worth a shot.

[ZBlacktt]

I have like two sitting here never used and will have like 8 more once there all off. Here's what Pearl sells them for. Then GC takes 40% off that.


http://www.pearldrum.com/paccs.asp


IS-0810SL I.S.S. Brkt, 8"-10" 2mm/Superhoop II $20.00


So like $12 bucks ea. is what you'd pay, I'd go half that say $6 bucks and there still brand new....lol. Plus shipping. How many you want?

:p

and on that note, looks like I'm in it for another $253.40 for the O.P.S.S. brackets ,, geezz :(

[sk8drummer]

dude thanx, um 6 bucks thats awesome!!!!!!!! ya, id probably go for a 10", 12", and 14", and a 13". so four i gues thats 24 bucks. shipping i dont think thatll be too much cuz ur in WA and im in MD. o well dude thanx a lot!!!!!!. peace

[ZBlacktt]

Shoot me an email :) with info.

[powermatt99]

Ultracast!!

You gotta let me know how that sounds. I cannot seem to find any places that have it in stock that I can play.

[ZBlacktt]

This GC I've been going to and ordering about 95% of my kit because they either " A " don't stock it or " B " have no clue what it is, actually has a Black Pearl Ultracast snare there that I'm getting. It's sounds so much different from the wood one I have now. That one is so much brighter and crisp, just snaps. Very clean and built, looks like a million bucks. I think I seen a list price on it of $450 something. I picked it up, nice and light.:)

http://www.pearldrum.com/snares.asp

[antiviolent]

I myself play a 4 piece kit, 2 crashes, a ride, and hi hats. and i like that size kit. BUT, I cannot help but drool just seeing your kit NOW, and thinking about what it WILL look like. Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just.. WOW.... I would not have the patience... and if I ever got a chance to sit down to that, I couldn't even play, in AWE of the beautiful, beautiful, set.
Again, CONGRATS!!!!!

[ZBlacktt]

I might have said this somewhere along this post, that I got my first drum set back in 86-87 time frame. It was a 5 piece Tama Rockstar I think was the name of it back then. Had to get rid of it due to noise and space at my parents home. So I went after cars after that point. Fast muscle cars and things of that nature. Life was going nowhere for me and I joined the Marines a few years later to get my life in some kinda order. Well, got out after 8 years and still had no place for a drum kit and it been years, and years since I'd even played or even kinda thought about getting one again. So I was still into cars and am today. So I fell in love with Nissan 300ZX Z32 twinturbo models. So for the last 4 years, I've had a Black one and have dumped more money into that car than twice the cost of this drum set.

But when I ran into a transmission problem and it cost me so much wasted money to fix, I say wasted due to an aftermarket clutch system I got that was supposed to be the best, came out to be defective in the clutch system and cost me dearly to fix the car, I decided at that point I'd had enough with the car at that time. So just around this point in my life ( last summer ) I came across a movie that changed my life. Put me back in my youth and made me think of my first love ( drums ). That movie was RockStar. I rented it from Blockbusters one night just on a whim. I was so hooked after that first viewing, I rented it 8 times, yes 8 times, before I searched out and got the DVD.

It was at that point I was sold on my dream drum kit. I knew I was going as big as Pearl had. I say Pearl and not Tama this time, because from what I remember back in the mid 80's was it seemed to me that all the bands starting out had Tama or Ludwig. Then when that sold some albums and made some money, there next tour, the drummer was sporting Pearl kits. Just like Tommy Lee and many others did. Now it seems to be that they use DW, but I don't like the look of DW kits. So I made a judge call off that and that I've known of Pearl and there reputation for decades.

That and I have a drum stick that I got from Eric Carr. For many you know who he is. Kiss's former drummer that replaced Peter Criss back in the early 80's and remained Kiss's drummer until he died of Cancer back in 1991. I went to see them in 1987 where Ted Nugget opened for them. This was the very first drum stick Eric threw out that night. I kept it safe for years. It had like first aid tape wrapped around the handle part, which came off years ago threw my military moves.

So with that and those very inspiring words from Drummer himself on the movie RockStar, where Jason Bonham is getting his blood checked and says to Chris Cole ( Mark Wahlberg ) " Live the life, live the dream ". That's when it hit me, to go get my drum kit that I've always dreamed about over the years..

[ZBlacktt]

Pic 1

[ZBlacktt]

You can see Eric's name on it

[ZBlacktt]

The brand stick he use'd

[ZBlacktt]

Can still make out the " K " in Kiss on it

['Stumpy' Pepys]

ZB: Congratulations! You're offically the first person to ever quote the movie "Rockstar".

[ZBlacktt]

Now work on your home page ;) ( doesn't work );)

['Stumpy' Pepys]

I beleive that Red Green said it best in "Duct Tape:The Movie" when he said, "Fixed now"
:D

...sorry I don't have the DVD to photograph next to a Mickey Dolenz autographed stick.
:D :D :D

...I crack myself up.

[ZBlacktt]

Nice little site there man, Good for you. You go guy :):rolleyes:


IS there anyway, to remove treads on this forum ( anybody ).......lol . Like VTD? ( Vote to delete? )

[eBelieve13]

HOLY ****!!!! THAT IS THE PHATEST SET I HAVE SEEN!!! IT'S A ****ING REPLICA OF MIKE WENGRENS DRUM SET BUT YOU ADDED HELLA ****!!! HOLY **** DUDE! HELLA BAD ***! GOTTA SEE THIS **** WHEN IT GETS DONE!!! NICE JOB!

[broken ride maker]

eBelieve13: I dont think it is a close replica of Mikes drum set, because he has only 4 toms and uses Sabian cymbals. But your right on him adding a bunch of stuff.

[1337pearldood2002]

Originally posted by eBelieve13
HOLY ****!!!! THAT IS THE PHATEST SET I HAVE SEEN!!! IT'S A ****ING REPLICA OF MIKE WENGRENS DRUM SET BUT YOU ADDED HELLA ****!!! HOLY **** DUDE! HELLA BAD ***! GOTTA SEE THIS **** WHEN IT GETS DONE!!! NICE JOB!

Wow....caaaaaaallm dooowwwwwn.....

[eBelieve13]

:rolleyes:

[eBelieve13]

Originally posted by broken ride maker
eBelieve13: I dont think it is a close replica of Mikes drum set, because he has only 4 toms and uses Sabian cymbals. But your right on him adding a bunch of stuff.

Well I mean it reminds me of his. It might not be close but still, it is similar. But far from close.

[ZBlacktt]

Due to ICON rack and Black drums, and double bass. But looking down on his kit, you can see there's not many drums to play with and that to me is way there music is not very hard to learn. I can pick it up just by listing to it on CD. It's not easy, yet not hard to learn.


http://www.pearldrum.com/wengrensplot.html

[stavis]

The movie "Rockstar" is one of my favorite music-based movies...along with "That Thing You Do". A bit of contrast there, their still both great movies.

[Wickerman]

LEts make this thread reach 10,000 viewers!!!!

[Wickerman]

I think you should post a thread in show us your kits!!! with your kit completed... it will save people going through 16 pages of reading lol

[ZBlacktt]

I should have everything that is on order by this week. All the parts like 15"tom, cymbal holders, clamps, rest of ICON rack etc. I'll order the other cymbals once I have these in place. I planned on doing another post. Because like I said a few pages back when I tried to save people time by listing the pages that pictures where on. I never thought this tread would be going to long and some 185+ post and over 6800+ viewing's. So yea, new post coming soon as I get the stuff in.;)

[eBelieve13]

Originally posted by ZBlacktt
Due to ICON rack and Black drums, and double bass. But looking down on his kit, you can see there's not many drums to play with and that to me is way there music is not very hard to learn. I can pick it up just by listing to it on CD. It's not easy, yet not hard to learn.


http://www.pearldrum.com/wengrensplot.html

True, but it still remind me of his.:D

[antiviolent]

*sits awkwardly, tapping fingers, fidgeting*
......


I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!

[antiviolent]

bump or something? :-) everyone shoud see this thread!

[broken ride maker]

Maby im slow or something, but whare is the finished kit? Or maby its a bit back in the thread. Oh well either way, what ive seen is cool, makes me proud to own an export.:D

[blinkfan141]

Originally posted by Wickerman
I think you should post a thread in show us your kits!!! with your kit completed... it will save people going through 16 pages of reading lol
I disagree. I think it'd be cool to keep this thread as a tribute to exports and export users. Thats been the message the whole time in this topic, so why not keep it that way? I think anywhere else it'd be flooded with posts like "why didn't you get a masterworks?" if we had it in the "show us your kits" forum. This is the perfect place to put this thread.

[ZBlacktt]

Well, three weeks went by no call from my man at GC. So I went by to check up on the final stage of my ordering for now at least. To find out it all came in but the 15" tom. Now last I check with Pearl this drum was in stock, but now I'm told it's another month out from today. Again I say, is this how people get products around here? I swear I can't wait until this **** is over. Anyway, more news to set me off. I went over the order many times with the guy at GC, so much we wrote the item numbers down on paper and I was therein front of him as he placed it. Well, turns out he didn't order my PC-50 ICON rack clamps, 4 of them in fact. Now I got all these other cymbal holders CH-88's sitting here on the ground, waiting on the clamps again. Anyway, third ordeal. I've been missing a snare from this whole kit from day one of the full reorder. Anyone knows both the Export and Fusion come with snares. Well, I'm still looking for my other one, so I sat there and made the guy at GC call Gary out at Pearl and ask about it.

Well, it seems like such old news Gary doesn't remember me, so I'm like wait a second here. Just because you guys, GC and Pearl order these two kits and forgot that there was two snares, is not my fault. So GC is looking to credit me $119, the cost of the lost drum. I'll be putting that towards the Ultra Cast snare or the H- 2000 Eliminator hit hat. Love that piece of gear.

Anyway, in case your not tried of looking yet,,,lol. The recent add on's. I got the rest of the ICON rack not. Two more chrome ICON rack tip cymbal holders. All the cymbal holders ( see ground ).

[ZBlacktt]

#2

[ZBlacktt]

Wont even play on these until it's all here for final pictures

[ZBlacktt]

The finshed side of the ICON. Right this time ( sigh ):rolleyes:

[ZBlacktt]

Man I love these shots. The 18" floor tom is moving to under the 8 x 8 and 10 x 8 spot, so that the 15" can go where the 16" floor is now here in this picture. See the chrome cow bell at 3 o'clock on the snare, mounted on that bass drum ;)

[ZBlacktt]

These where supposed to be mounted now, but no clamps ( ******** ). So still have a 22" ride, 19" crash and 18" low china to fit in this, along with that 15" tom. Look at picture above. Do you see 59" inches of space left,,,lol. Let alone thinking of adding more:eek:

[AntiConformist]

I love you.

[antiviolent]

It's almost there!!!!

What are you still waiting on? It looks liked there's everything there. SNare, those new cymbal arms, and the three cymbals on the floor.

WHATS MISSING?

[carl]

wow thats becoming one big motherf*#ker. i bet you stand there and look in all different angles and sit down and look and look and look and think i cant believe this is my kit. cause i do with my kit. my life long dream is to have a mirror chrome kit, now i've got one, four months laterl and even now i still sit there looking at it, doesnt matter how long i look at it for it doesnt seem real and i cant believe its mine, i look and pay more attention to my drums than i do to my girlfriend,but do you blame me lol!!!:D

p.s thats a realy nice kit you've got there mate:)

p.s.s i hope you start getting better luck with getting the stuff you've orderd i'll also ask for some money off or maybe frow some heads or accessories for all the inconveniance (sorry about the spelling) you've had!!:)

[ZBlacktt]

Bro you hit the nail on the head. I do that all the time, even today when I took these pictures. It's so big,,,lol. Then I think beautiful, I can stand there in awe. Then under the track lighting I have set up, it looks like a concert setting.

Do you have any pictures of your kit? I love to see them :)

[carl]

no not yet i'm afraid, my friend is suppossed to be lending me his digital camera so hopfuly ill get some for you soon!!!

[Psylence]

I think your setup is amazing.

When you get the 15" tom, I would put it under the 8" and leave the 18" floor tom where it is. I think bigger toms are more useful on the right hand side. Also, if you have 15" and 16" toms right next to each other, it might be hard to get them both tuned to a good interval.

[lucasgilardone]

ZBlacktt, your evergrowing set is anyone´s dream, but since there's seem to be a very tiny space left from the racks to the wall, I've got a question, how the hell do you get behind the snare? do you practice drum-jumping? levitation? you hang yourself to domething and drop on the chair?
Anyway, congratulations, keep growing.
Lucas, the argentine walker.:confused:

[eBelieve13]

How long until your set is finished?

[Carpe Diem]

f@#k dude that **** is a mad *** bi@#h

[esu.chobo]

unbelievable nice kit :)
When is it finished or will it ever be finished?
Post some recent pictures pls.

[Tom Reyns]

22" ride
Wow, thats big :)
I really like your kit man! Question!: What is that very small rack-thingy between your basses. I want to get a second bass too. But I already have a twin pedal so I'm gonna tweak it or something. I want to know if its really nessecairy to buy that thingy.

Regards,

[Infusion]

Amazing... Simply amazing..
I've read through the whole thread and I cannot say anything else than "amazing".. Damn I wish I had just a fraction of that kit.. I would be happy then! But damn..money is da issue..

You are going to have so much fun with that monster Zblacktt!

Since I'm living in an apartmentbuilding at 9th floor i'll have to keep quiet, so I'm thinking of bying an e-kit.. looking forward to it! Anyway... check out my bands site: Infusion (http://home.no.net/infuband) ;)

Cheers:D

[ZBlacktt]

Tom: That little rack part in which you asked about is the RJ-50 ( part number ). Over on Pearl's site, they don't list all there items for there kits as you may know. Best bet is to goto a Guitar Center and pick up a 2003 catalog ( there free ). That has everything you need to know and is very well done up book on everything Pearl offers. If your going the route I did, that bar bridges the two sides together make it one long stable bar, so need? I say yes, it was only like $35 bucks ( I think ).


Other than that, waiting for my stuff to come in so I can see just how much more room I have. I know if I tier the cymbals, I can fit more, but don't want to make that move until I can visually see what I have finally in some kinda place.

I still have to get the pillows for the bass drums and have the ports done on the facehead. Speaking of this. Does anyone know what we do for the Tom bracket holder on top of the Export Bass drums? Like a plate/cover for it. I do not see one in there catalog and GC had no clue either. Unlike Master Works and others where there is not Bass drum bracket ( BB-3 )? Would you just use two Masking covers made for single holes in Tom's ( GK-90 )?

Other than that, I'm buying the H-2000 Eliminator high-hat stand here in the next day or so. I love that stand, just checked it out the other day when I was in there. It will fit so much better with only having two legs, so that I don't run into my other Bass pedal, which is what's happening now. So one brand new H-800W on the selling block now,,, lol.:p

I have a drum tech coming over to tune the whole kit once the 15" gets here, plus adjust the pedals and kinda give me an outside point of view and style on bettering my skills. Best way to grow I say. You'll find yourself not growing and hitting a plateau faster if you do it by yourself. Which is all I've ever done. Never took a single drum lesson.:rolleyes:

[zilflight]

you are correct that there is no cover for the bb3's. I almost wouldnt want one, even though I took my bb3 off, because if you think about it, that would have to be a really big plate, and I think it would take too much away from the beauty of my kit. Ill just leave the 2 holes there until someday if I can ever find something orange that will do the trick. since your kit is a wrap though, you could always re wrap the bass drums, and wrap over the wholes. that or you could buy alittle bit of wrap and cut out circles and somehow cover the holes with little circles. other than that I have no idea. you could do the tom bracket covers, but you would need 4 because you need 2 per bass, and again I think that would look alittle tacky. ohh well, tell us what you end up doing.

[Tom Reyns]

Hey ZBlacktt,

What do you think. Will my kit look cool with a second bass? I think I'm not going to tune it different. Just pull out the connection thing between my slavepedal en main pedal and keep the double pedal for gigs and stuff. (I have my first pedal left so I could attach that one to the second bass)
If I'm gonna do it, I will add the 22x16 bass and a 14" tom (and the rack stuff). What do you think?

Ow, Its a Jet Black Forum kit

[Wickerman]

first of all nice kit and wheels too... when are ya gonna get a new 350Z lol.
Anyway are you intending of mounting your ride on the rack?

[comebakzak]

this was probably already answered but are doing any gigs with that? i will truely feel sorry for you if you have to go from bar to bar weekley with that.

[mati32]

Are you going to get the hi-hat--bass drum connecting piece? (HA-100)

If so it should solve the problem of your hi-hat pedal running into the bass pedal. And bring both pedals real close together to boot.

http://www.pearldrum.com/02_updates/images/ha100.jpg

It will work with the eliminator hat pedal as well, if you have decided to get it for getting's sake. (I've read the whole thing.. :))

BTW, have you thought about remote hi-hats?

As for the bassdrum holes, check and see if there is a metal back plate on the inside of the bass drum. If there is, you can simply take it out, cover it with some black vinyl(?) poster tape and screw the plate outside the bassdrum.

[Tom Reyns]

Is there a big difference between the the 10x10 and the 10x8? And if you have that 15" will it be done then (for the toms)? Do you jump into your kit or what :P I really like it man. If I have my second bass and 14" ist gonna bee something like the pic on the first page of this thread (exept more cymbals)

that bar bridges the two sides together make it one long stable bar
I see your kit has the 2 bars almost like one long bar, but I have 3 rack parts and they are in a big angle from each other, see the pic ( I dont know if that was good english :)) So I think its not really nessecairy because it doesnt have so much stuff on it and it stands very stable. What do you think
It would be like this: (Eliminators kit)

http://66.40.220.17/attachment.php?s=&postid=118231
Later,

[NewPearlMan1]

Woah ZBlacktt,

I thought I had alot of drums. That kit rules! Good job. I'd go off for days on that thing. Gonna be sweet with all the brass hanging on it.

Your ultimate challenge should be to compose one of those Danny Carey-esque tribal drum beats that uses every one of those toms!

[ZBlacktt]

mati32,

I'm just going the H-2000 stand having only two legs that are rotatable, can actually be placed out of the way, vise three rotating. Plus features that far out advance the pervious stands.

http://www.pearldrum.com/hardware.asp

Tom Reyns,

As far as tom's and sounds, there pitch is higher the smaller you go ( as you well know ), so to a degree yes you can make out the tones as you strike the surfaces, yet the difference are less noticeable in some cases and tuning has a lot to do with it as well. By tightening or loosening the heads, can raise and lower the pitch even more ( or less ). Even the same size drum. That's why I'm having a guy come in to tune this whole kit once the 15" tom comes in. So that I can sleep better at night knowing the how's, what's and where's of all this stuff I've put together.

As far as the middle bar needed. Well, Mike W. of Disturbed, doesn't use it, he just stacked his ICON like in that picture and works well for him. For myself, I wanted a center looking balance of height and evenness.

I will say this. The down side to playing something this big, is that it is harder to play most songs. By that I mean, looking at most drummers kits, they play what they have on the kit, say 4 tom's. Where if I go to play that same song, I have to located and fine that tom or tom's faster than just having so many in front of me. Make sense? Like picking things out in a line up. If I need these certain toms, I need to pick them out between all the other sizes I have up here, while still maintaining the rhythm and beat of the song. So in most of my case's, my style is hard to heavy rock and metal, I need to know where the **** is fast,,,lol.. But over time and having hands on, it gets easier. Just like the 88 keys on a piano.

comebakzak,

Naaa bro. This kit goes nowhere and I don't play in a band. Just a wild dream I came back to in life to fulfill. I couldn't nor wouldn't move this much stuff around everynight,,,lol. But if your in a mega money making band, you pay others to do that very thing ;)


Wickerman,

No 350Z for me as of now. It's still taking sometime to grow on me,,,lol. The Z32 ( 1990 to 96 ) just looks and out performs even it's predecessor. But with the new body kits and now turbo's deals for it, it's well on it's way. :)

[Eliminator]

you need a drum tec.... Are u gonna get cases for the beast?? I went with Nomad cases because with the size of my kit, that's all I could really afford. You can deal with the guy that owns the company and makes the cases himself. You really should protect that kit. He also makes a custom case for the pearl icon racks that was specially designed by a pearl canada representitive.

eliminator

[zilflight]

Originally posted by Eliminator
you need a drum tec.... Are u gonna get cases for the beast?? I went with Nomad cases because with the size of my kit, that's all I could really afford. You can deal with the guy that owns the company and makes the cases himself. You really should protect that kit. He also makes a custom case for the pearl icon racks that was specially designed by a pearl canada representitive.

eliminator

This kit goes nowhere and I don't play in a band.

[DeadJotun]

ZBlacktt you should get endorsed cause god damn! second wouldnt it be hard to play those two high toms all the way on the right? i have a few ideas about ur kit setup but i dont know how to save the kit builder in pearl or in dw.....i guess someone will explain or whatever. last of all how long did it take for you to get the 8X10 tom? how much did it cost also. Once again sweet kit..cya

[DeadJotun]

wait wait! i figured it out.. heres one rough idea im working on others... heh i got alot of time on my hands...

[Tom Reyns]

Thanks ZBlacktt!

Now just wait till my exams are finished and then buy a 14x12 and the 22x16. I'm looking forwarth to it.

Later,

[ZBlacktt]

Well, went and got the H-2000 Eliminator Hit Hat stand today and to try and clear up this missing Snare and where's my PC-50 clamps and :rolleyes: where's my 15" tom.

Last word I got, was I was going to get credited the $119 cost of the snare and use it towards something else (like this high hat stand ). Well, way long story short here and after talking to the store manager by now about this long *** 10 month ordeal, he got hot. I told him that I'm tired of dealing with employees that say there going to find out things or get things done and it never happens. The snare was never put on my account, so I had to pay full cost for the stand and I'm supposed to get a call tomorrow on what's happening with my missing snare.

Next ( PEARL IF YOUR READING THIS? ), I'm sick and ****ing tired of waiting on drums. One, two three weeks is understandable ( I guess ), but months, turn into months is bull****. My 15" tom is a month old ordered now and I was given a May time frame today ( gets longer each time I go back). When I called about this tom prior to ordering it, I got an in stock answer.

I felt like I was pleading a case today with Guitar Center over this snare. I've asked and asked about it for months and months and now that I'm near the end of it, I'm pushing them to answer. When they go to look at my file, all the managers kinda go in shock when they see this long as list of sales. One would think better services would show up sometime, since I have been a hot item from day one on services. I hate to see those that just go in to buy a kit, if they don't care how much you spend at there store's. It's not the cost of the snare, it's the principle.

Another gripe, remember the PC-50 clamps I'm missing? ( 4 of them ). Well, my order on those was canceled out because that store's computer inventory shows they have 8 there in stock. These clamps have never been found and the Manager I talked with for a long time today was just getting hotter and hotter about the service and jacking around I've gotten for a long time. I've passed by this guy for months now as he stood outside the store in front smoking a cig. So we kinda knew of each other before we where introduced today. I really feel that he's going to take care of me, he said that he will see that I get everything from here on out. But it should never come to this. Does Pearl, DW, Tama and so on go out and interview the companies or vendors that push and sell there product's? Seems like they need to have a better relationship on stores that seem to bring post like these. Just my thoughts..........

Anyway, back to the good news. This High hat stand is just a Master piece. It comes with adjustable cams, so many find adjustments all over this stand. I tell anyone to go check this thing out for yourself.

[ZBlacktt]

Got it on sale,,,,lol. It comes with it's own pedal bag too, cam's, tools etc. So many features, you'd have to go read Pearl's product site to take it all in, so much detail.

[ZBlacktt]

One brand new H-800W stand now extra I guess......lol:rolleyes:

[ZBlacktt]

This is like driving a European sports car compared to a Honda ,,,lol :p Look on page 19 for other new pic's.

[mati32]

Go order your stuff from somewhere else! (I've heard good things about online stores. Cheap and fast. everything's on record and some of them clerks actually knows something. Not to mention actual customer service!)

check out drumcenterforum.com if you haven't done so already... you can find a lot of useful things there.

And use that extra hi-hat and an X-hat stand!

[Tom Reyns]

Man that sux that you have to wait so long. My boom stand broke about 4 months ago, the salesman said he had it fixed in 2 weeks, now I still don't have it back. Cool stand by the way!

[Wickerman]

if ya want to get ird of your other hi hat stand let me know I'll take it off your hands.. I got two kits and needs another one//either rply to this or pm me.

[ZBlacktt]

I paid $65.25 for it, how's $40 bucks plus shipping? It is damn near brand new out of the box, but no need for it now. Seeing that I'm 3 hours from Canada, shouldn't be that bad shipping..lol.

[dafreshprince85]

DROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

*KEYBOARD SHORT CIRCUITS*

KAZ

[ZBlacktt]

Got a call from my guy out at GC an hour ago. Say's he's sorry for the mix up and that my clamps will be here this week and I can have them for free now for the missing snare. I told him that's cool and I didn't want to be a pain or come to this, but hey I paid for that drum. Just that GC forgot to put it on my full drum order back when it was placed and that's why Pearl knows nothing about it. So Oh well, I'm getting the Ultra Cast anyway. So done deal there.

Soon as the clamps and that 15" tom shows up, I'm taking the kit out side for bright sunny day pictures, so I can get high enough to get everything in the pictures. To low of a ceiling in the garage. Plus I'd like to see what all this gloss black, chrome and brilliant finish stuff looks like in the sun. Should be killer and with all the new heads on it.

That's all for now.......... :cool:

[Wickerman]

check your pm's... i think i sent ya one about the hihat stand? also you'll have to get out of the fart sack pretty early to get it setup and ready by dinner time lol for your sake i hope it doesnt start friggin raining lol

[zilflight]

be careful about taking pictures of the kit out on a sunny day. Do it quick, and if possible, not on a super duper sunny hot humid day. as you may know, wraps have a tendency to wrinkle and warp under too much heat from the sun, especially black ones I believe, because the color black absorbs the most heat of any color (thats right I think). on my old kit, I had the wrap wrinkle on some of my drums, and it looked bad, and I wouldnt want that to happen to your huge kit. just pick a good time, and dont take all day. with that rack, and a friend or 2, you could just get the friends to grab the rack (with everything already on it) and carry it out, then grab everything that is left.

[Wickerman]

Actually chrome holds the heat moreso then black.... anyone who races cars would know this lol chrome valve covers and oil pan, a big no no...get aluminium covers instead...yeah its of topic lol

[zilflight]

well I was talkin as far as basic colors and such. and is it really the color chrome that gets hot, or is it the metal that the chrome is on that gets hot??

[ZBlacktt]

I deal in this a lot in my car world. Black is my favorite color and like the American muscle car's, we do a lot of chrome as well. My Black Z's exhaust is highly polished with chrome 3" tips, my rim's are triple chromed and so on. Chrome holds the heat in, where Black draws the heat, for it being the darkest shade of color.

Yea, I heard about the heat warping on these kits last summer when I started to buy in on this. I was loading the kits in the back on my truck when the sales guy told me about direct sun light and the affects, but thanks for the heads up bro.

Here's pictures of my Black twinturbo if you care to see. The profile is way out dated as far as parts are concern.

http://www.northwestz.org/members/profiles/0001_bartz.html

[Big King]

DUDE !!! I saw your black Z..........


:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:


DROOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ZBlacktt]

If you didn't see it, some action pic's on page one of this post of the Black Z. I'm trying to get this kit done, so that I can go back to the Z world. Summer is coming and I want to get them out again. Winter here just blows from all the rain. The drums and my Playstation II ( GTA Vice City ) entertain me during this time. lol :p

Summer time I go out racing or long drives with the Z club.

[Big King]

Well I am a mustang man but I also enjoy imports. I have been invited to join the local chapter of the national Mustang Club by several "stang" owners. Once I pay off my 2 remaining bills, I may save up to do a bit of upgrading on my car. Ist things 1st. I need to find out why the right side leans 1.5 inches to the right. Shocks? Springs? Body Damage from a past wreck?

Who knows?


then I need new light covers, fog lamps assembly, new speakers, maybe toss in a sub and an amp. Maybe some new rims?

Cars, drums.... Yeah.

[Fredzs]

SCHHWEEETTT KITTT!!!

[esu.chobo]

What sticks and extras does this pro-mark package contain? $?
Do you think A Customs are the right cymbals for your music style?

[MikeH]

hey Z, as i said before nice kit. Re. your problems with delays, i totally understand. seems to me that the big shops would have no problem bringing stuff in for you but as alot of people know, they are slow. 2 years ago i moved out of the city and found a small shop reasonably close to me in a lil' town and the service is amazing. as soon as they see my jeep pull up they start bringing things out from the back for me and they always return my calls within a day to let me know whats going on, its just so much more personal. my suggestion to u is to scrap the shop that you use and find yourself a smaller shop. bring in all your bills and tell the guy that this is what you own and the shop that you are dealing with is pissing you off and that you want some good service with the rest of your orders. i'll bet you that they'll kiss your *** if you wanted them to. if they are any good, they'll jump on the chance to finish your kit, plus they should know that a drummer is never really fininshed with their kit, so they know that you'll be back for anything else you want. just my opinion, smaller shops have better service. i'll even throw in a plug for the shop i use. SRC Music in Carleton Place.

[ZBlacktt]

King, Mustangs are great cars, I have a friend here with a Supercharged one. Only thing is there's so many of them that sucks. But hey, it's an American car's so makes sense. My girl friend here in fact loves them to death, she's now on her 3rd one. A 2002 convertible GT, take a look. I told her she should have waited for the 2003/4 cobra's.


esu.chobo, As far as the Pro-mark stick package. This is the Mike Portnoy package, where it comes with a two DVD and CD deal. The sticks are kinda light for me, and I have AHEAD B2's as well, which are kinda the opposite. As far as A Custom's the right cymbals. I only have one and it was the first one I got. No way are they the right one's for hard to metal music. They are way to thin. The A Custom is a ride and I've stated in this long *** tread somewhere on here that I'm getting another one that Pings more. This one is more like a big thin crash. I don't beat the **** out of them either, but yea, Cymbals come in different makes and models for certain music's for this reason as we know :)


MikeH, I hear ya bro. This shop's main problem I think is follow threw and attention to detail. When I'm there I get that attention, but seems once I walk out the door, I'm forgotten about and I have to call back and check in only to find out that my stuff has been there a week or so sometimes. Or when I order something, thinking it's a done deal, only to find out it was left off the order ( clamps, snare, cymbal holders, etc. ). So now that I should have a very good base for the whole system, I can go back and place order's on a cymbal here and there to fill in the set once I have all mine here up.

[ZBlacktt]

Here's that pic.

[SpAg]

awesome Z man, my dad's got a '90 in gold

[ZBlacktt]

Gold Z's are very rare and only made in 1990. You people are turning this into a car forum........lol. Which I could go on for days about that. :p