Axis vs. Eliminators??

[Severed_666]

What are the fastest pedals???? and loudest??? Eliminators or axis...??? well thanx:(

[Tom Reyns]

dont know, dont have eliminators nor axis...:p

[jmr1599]

i would rather play an eliminator..personal pref..but at the worlds fastest drummers contest held in NY every year..the winner of double bass and single bass..like every winner has used axis pedals if that tells you anything

[jmann]

I LOVE the Eliminator pedals. I haven't used the newest Axis pedals, but the Pearl Eliminators ROCK!

[Severed_666]

wat cams do you prefer, i just bought two new pearl eliminator pedals and im using the redcams and they rock some heavy ****!!:D

[jmr1599]

the red ones are one *****in cam!

[zilflight]

tell ya the truth, I havnt personally played either pedal, but have talked with people that play each. The idea that I get is that the Axis pedals are faster but not as loud as eliminators. Ive heard that they are more of a jazz type pedal. now I dont really understand how pedals are designed for specific music, but thats what my friend told me. anyways, I cant comprehend needing a much faster pedal than an eliminator, and plus axis pedals are about 5 times as much.

[samy81]

What are the fastest pedals???? and loudest??? Eliminators or axis...??? well thanx:(

I use eliminators with red cams. And it is fast and powerful!

regards
samy81

[TempesT68]

i've had both, with speed hands down nothing touches the axis, but the eliminator has MUCH more power then the axis does.

[BigTELXAmberFade]

I agree with you guys, the eliminator is awesome, and versitile with the interchangable cams adjusting springs and adjustable footboard.... it suits any player!!!

[Phos]

Axis is faster, Eliminator will be louder.

[JohnDeere]

What cam on the eliminators will be the loudest and hardest hitting? I just orderd one so i dont know anything abou them yet....

[Talon]

Red will, it's light but hard hitting.

I would suggest you play with spring tension. The chain drive that ICs, Elims, and DWs have are very forgiving for those of us who don't have perfect feet. I wouldn't want my pedal to do everything my foot does, my feet suck.

[Dibs]

Blue cam > Red cam

I love it. And I've used all cams for a few days each.

[Distal Sonority]

There is no fast pedal.

Anyway, I personally would recommend Axis over anything. Light, smooth, incredible craftsmanship, the works. On tight spring tension, and variable drive set at the highest, it mimics exactly what your foot is doing. So if you can play it on the floor, you can probably play it on the Axis. And as with all direct drive pedals, there will be no footboard jump or lag. I love mine. It takes a bit to get used to but once you are it should be perfect.

[Unlastinglove.]

Threads in the wrong section.
Axis' are too light. I prefer a little weight.
Elimanator for muh.

[octagon]

Try the Mapex Janus

[Zephyr]

I just bought an Axis A-Longboard and tried the Eliminators, and I would have to say that the Axis is extremely smooth and faster. But definitly, Eliminators are louder and more versatile than the Axis.

[kal]

Some people have been using Eliminator Shafts on AXIS units and saying how much better things are. Tried one the other evening and it did indeed feel very nice, though still not as much power as an IC/Eliminator. Guess thats why so many pro players using axis pedals trigger their kick drums

[-Electric-]

sorry but I'm just totally not 'getting' what you guys are talking about which pedal is 'louder'. I mean, since when do pedals make noise?? (except maybe the springs sometimes) Any pedal can be as loud as any pedal. Most of that has to do with the person actually operating the pedal. I mean if you've got a 250 pound,six foot man, who has 30 pound calf muscles, playing on an Axis, and a 150 pound teenager on a eliminator, it's obvious which will be 'louder'. Anyone can play with different strength and power, all depends on how hard you're actually kicking the footboard.

A pedal can only be as fast and as loud as the person who is playing it. That's how I see it.
My 0.02$

edit; To the person who stated the Janus Ergo pedals, do you own these??If so any pics/info on these would be great. I was seriously looking into them before I read about all the cams and adjustments on the pearls.

[kal]

I really really dont mean to sound insulting/patronising here, but do you understand the effect cams have in pedals?

[broke]

I have recently sold a pair of Janus pedals, great pedals if you like heaps of weight. I played with almost every part of that pedal and it's very stirdy and well built, weighs heaps so it gonna move on you, but personally for me it was far too heavy for what i was looking for. For the price they are great here in Aus they are very cheap for some reason, in the US ive noticed they are about the same price as the Iron Cobras'. My honest opinion, if you like weight in your pedals get the Janus but if you want smoothness and a more "lighter" feel get the IC Flexiglide or the Eliminators of if you can afford them Axis. I have owned Eliminators too and i sold them because at the time i thought they were no good but it turns out i was just expecting too much from the pedal and didnt pay any attention to my playing style.
My 2c as well :D

[-Electric-]

Yes, I do understand the effect. But I am mostly generalizing pedals here, making it simple if you will. If you're talking about 'lag' or delay that a cam makes, I know all those cams are different, making different actions, but no matter what cam/ pedal you're using, the whole process of your foot hitting the footboard and the beater hitting the head, will always take more or less than a second. But that's getting into the scientific part of it, milliseconds won't change THAT much in basic drumming. But then again yes, maybe in a computerized speed recording like the fastest drummer contest that was mentionned.

[jammyh11]

Well I don't know how they play but axis pedals look pretty futuristic :) either way I'm still gonna get Iron Cobras when I save up, although eliminators are good, I've been told Iron cobras have the slight lead between the two...

[S/T]

Axis pedals can be configured to be loud/hard hitting, but you will lose speed. If you play extreme metal, 290 bpm double bass ****, they are the way to go. PM forum member Dysphoric Axis, he has the most experience with Axis on this forum, and he has Eliminators as well. Hes the only person on here who can give you a good comparison, because he owns both.

[Phos]

sorry but I'm just totally not 'getting' what you guys are talking about which pedal is 'louder'. I mean, since when do pedals make noise?? (except maybe the springs sometimes) Any pedal can be as loud as any pedal. Most of that has to do with the person actually operating the pedal. I mean if you've got a 250 pound,six foot man, who has 30 pound calf muscles, playing on an Axis, and a 150 pound teenager on a eliminator, it's obvious which will be 'louder'. Anyone can play with different strength and power, all depends on how hard you're actually kicking the footboard.
Of course, if you stick a bigger guy with more power on an Axis and a smaller guy who can't move the footboard as quickly on an Eliminator, the Axis will have more power. However, you ripped that out of context. What was being said is if you played an Axis, and then you played an Eliminator, the Eliminator will produce more power--which it would (provided you're playing them both the same).

[Mr_Mark]

I do like this thread :) thers a VERY good thread in the hardware section on the IC, eliminator, DW 5000/9000 by slipknot1 i think. sorry dont have a link. but i LOVE elims. i have aquired some recently (2days ago) and uptill then i had been playing crappy pedals, and i really mean crappy pedals, the kind that like to fly apart :p . but anyway elims are so awesome, HUGE improvement

[matt_drummist]

I've never played an Axis but I do know that the Eliminator has more options that any pedal out there. It's as close as you can come to having your own custom pedal. What they should do next is make pedals to fit your foot size.

[ricohorton]

What are the fastest pedals???? and loudest??? Eliminators or axis...??? well thanx:(
the Axis pedals have a fast lighter feel. the Elim with a red cam and IC beater will give you power and ample amount of speed that is required to play any style of music and less money out of pocket and good quality and service.

[panserchris]

I've never played an Axis but I do know that the Eliminator has more options that any pedal out there. It's as close as you can come to having your own custom pedal. What they should do next is make pedals to fit your foot size.

wrong, axis are more adjustable than eliminators, seeing as the variable drive lever is basically the ability to change cams only better.

[ricohorton]

wrong, axis are more adjustable than eliminators, seeing as the variable drive lever is basically the ability to change cams only better.
excuse me but the axis doesn't have power shifting foot board nore six cams to choose from. not to forget that it comes with a nice case and for less money out of pocket. the only thing the axis has going that the elim's don't is DD and long board imo.

[Fixxxer]

Depends on how good you are. The pedals aren't fast or loud. YOU ARE!!! Play what feels the best

[thetrooper]

It's true that axis are much faster than eliminators, but things can be done to make them just as loud, as well. I just put two iron cobra wood beaters on mine axis As and they increase the power substantially. Even with the beater weight all the way to the top, the axis are much faster than elims and about equally as loud and powerful

[Decap1tator]

what phos said. Axis are faster, but don't give you as much power behind the hits. Maybe if you're triggering, go for axis, in my oppinion though, eliminators are nicer pedals.

[Decap1tator]

wrong, axis are more adjustable than eliminators, seeing as the variable drive lever is basically the ability to change cams only better.i'd say, wrong again. Axis are in my oppinion quite limited in options, but on the other hand, that's what comes with a design designed for speed.

[panserchris]

excuse me but the axis doesn't have power shifting foot board nore six cams to choose from. not to forget that it comes with a nice case and for less money out of pocket. the only thing the axis has going that the elim's don't is DD and long board imo.


um, you realize what the variable drive lever is, right? it's basically the ability to change cams but built into the pedal itself and with a pretty much limitless level of adjustment. you also have the choice between longboards and regular-length, spring tension, and beater angle, and even those heel-stacker guys that raise the height of the footboard. the only thing that the axis haven't got that the eliminator does is independent beater angle and footboard height adjustment, unless you use the sonic hammer beaters. although you are right about the case thing, that's the only thing i'm not a fan of about axis. really wish the pedals came with cases.

also, to the fellow above me, axis pedals aren't really designed for speed in my opinion, moreso for precision. if you take a look at the axis website and look at the artist pages, there's a bunch of metal guys, and also quite a few fusion, funk and hip-hop drummers.