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John515
07-30-2003, 10:05 PM
For those of you who don't already know, they are one and the same, GC and MF. Here's why I despise them both:

1. "We'll beat anyone's prices!" Bull!!!! I've had people price shop me and when I give them a price they will sometimes run down there with it and usually get told that I won't actually sell it for that price. Guess who usually comes back and buys from me? Try this at your local GC: Go in and get a price on an assortment of gear, like a high-end 5 pc kit, some extra hardware, and a few cymbals. Then go to your favorite independent store and price the exact same kit (down to the nuts and bolts) without them knowing you were at GC first. See who's usually cheaper. If the independent store is cheaper and GC tells you they will beat it, ask them these magic questions: "If your deals are so great why were you so much higher to begin with?" and: " Do you mean to tell me that you would've over charged me if you could have gotten away with it?" After about 10-15 seconds of listening to their backpedaling, turn around, walk out and never return. Support you local store! Besides, why would anyone want to shop at a store where they refer to customer as "KILLS" (true story)?

2. Guitar Center is a "Puppy Mill". The employee turnover rate is astounding! The average amount of time a typical GC employee will last is about 2 months. While there are a few exceptions (FEW being the operative word here), most of the employees don't know squat about what they're selling and almost always don't know squat about salesmanship. Sales is about building relationships with your customers, not just cranking stuff out the door to make a quick sale. Long term relationships are key to long term growth. GC doesn't care to invest the effort into really training the staff to do that. Fine with me!!! My sales have been going up every year!

3. When GC moves into a new area, they have only one goal: to drive everyone else out of town though fair means or foul. They do not care a lick about the future of the people they sell to, only that they get their money, no matter what. I could tell you lots of stories about the sleazy garbage they've tried to pull in my area, but you should ask around your area and find out for yourself. Don't take my word for it.

MusicMan
07-31-2003, 08:20 AM
Hi -

Like any retail business, Guitar Center experiences some difficulty obtaining and retaining knowledgeable sales people. However, as you noted, there are some knowledgeable and experienced sales people at every location.

The advantages that Guitar Center has with respect to most independent music stores is advertising budget, location, store size, and inventory. Due to the sheer number of people who walk into the stores, there's no reason for them to display "bottom line" prices for the average customer, but they are certainly negotiable.

On the other hand, the fact that Guitar Center usually does not advertise or display "bottom line" prices, offers the independent music retailer the opportunity to "match" or "beat" Guitar Center pricing for those customers who are shopping around.

John515
07-31-2003, 12:46 PM
What you say is true. No argument here. I just wish that their overall attitude towards business was less, shall we say; predatory. I have no problem with a company trying to make a buck, as long as it's done with a at least some sense of decency. In my experiences (limited as they are-though from what I understand, they are highly representative), I have found GC utterly lacking in many regards. When I sell a kid his first drumset, I try to give him good advice and make sure he gets the tools and SERVICE he will need to continue to enjoy his purchase long after he takes it home. I think of it as the first step in building a long-term relationship. Pushing an obviously inferior product on them simply because of a higher margin is, to me, wrong. THAT is the kind of thing I see nearly everyday. This kind of short term "get the money now and move on to the next kill" mentality is damaging to the future of the music retail business. The actual day to day sales practices are REALLY what gets me, though. These are edicts that are passed down from on high to the salesman in an effort to one thing only: boost the bottom line-NO MATTER WHAT. Whatever happened to doing the right thing? I won't even get into the way they've pressured some of their suppliers (although part of that is the suppliers fault, fuelled by greed).

Is it just me? Or isn't this a commonly held view of the industry as a whole? I hope I'm wrong, but I haven't heard a convincing argument yet to disprove it. I have no problem with everyone playing the same game under the same rules. It's when someone decides to try to gain an advantage unfairly that I have a problem. If you fight fair and win because of your own merits, you deserve to win.

drummajosh
08-01-2003, 12:08 PM
i went into GC the other day needing a new bass head. i asked for a remo powerstroke 3, and they told me they would have to *special order* it for me. how rediculous is that?

for a while now ive only been buying from independant shops, but i just needed a bass head. how hard is it to keep a freakin ps3 in stock? i mean, thats not an unusual product. :rolleyes:

John515
08-01-2003, 06:52 PM
To be absolutely fair, sometimes stores run out of something as popular as a PW3. What they SHOULD have told you was: "I'm temporarily out of that right now, but we normally stock it. Let me see when they'll be in." OR "I'm temporarily out of that right now. May I suggest an Aquarian Force 1 or Evans EQ4?. They are all single-ply heads with the same type of muffling." Service, service, service.......

drummajosh
08-01-2003, 08:45 PM
yeah, exactly...i know that these places run out of stuff, but like out of the number of times ive gone there, they've never had the standard products...and theyre not even educated enough to suggest anything. i dont find them to be a quality store at all. maybe theyre gopod for guitars, hence guitar center...but im a drummer, not a guitarist... and why have drums if you dont know anything about them, ya know?

Raven87
08-17-2003, 06:04 AM
so john you work in a competing music store(presumably close to GC) at this moment are you not trying to lower GC sales and boost your own.... who's doing the foul play now? i don't here GC on here bringing down there competition.

but anyways... i agree the guys that work in samash/guitar center are usually dumbass's just trying to sell you lame stuff.