New Color Ideas for Vision Series

[Genius Switch]

I'll start by saying I love the Vision kits. I played another one today. The sound is remarkable. I was totally blown away by the kick drum! Top to bottom the Vision series rocks. However, I can't say there's one color that jumps out at me as a "must-have."

So now that the Vision series has taken off, and since talk of new colors is in the air (See this post (http://www.pearldrummersforum.com/showpost.php?p=1852166882&postcount=7)) I am curious what others are hoping for in the future for the Vision series. Maybe some ideas will make it back to Pearl Japan.

Personally I'd like to see a nice green sparkle.

[paradiddlediddle666]

I think some burst finishes might be cool. Examples: Blue Burst, Red Burst, Green Burst, etc.

[mutt_78]

a blood red sparkle wold be amazing

[SleightOfHand]

I'll start by saying I love the Vision kits. I played another one today. The sound is remarkable. I was totally blown away by the kick drum! Top to bottom the Vision series rocks. However, I can't say there's one color that jumps out at me as a "must-have."

So now that the Vision series has taken off, and since talk of new colors is in the air (See this post (http://www.pearldrummersforum.com/showpost.php?p=1852166882&postcount=7)) I am curious what others are hoping for in the future for the Vision series. Maybe some ideas will make it back to Pearl Japan.

Personally I'd like to see a nice green sparkle.

Green sparkle for sure.

[Mr.BoJangles]

I'd jump all over a light blue sparkle.

[TWH]

I would like to see the bass drum hoops finished inside and out, and some green colors like a fade or burst.

[Genius Switch]

I would like to see the bass drum hoops finished inside and out, and some green colors like a fade or burst.

Yeah c'mon. For a long time fully finished hoops were once standard in the ELX series. Why is it not done anymore?

[paradiddlediddle666]

Yeah c'mon. For a long time fully finished hoops were once standard in the ELX series. Why is it not done anymore?

^Agreed! The whole kit looks kind of cheap when the hoops are left unfinished inside :mad: !

[TWH]

Yeah c'mon. For a long time fully finished hoops were once standard in the ELX series. Why is it not done anymore?

Agreed! The whole kit looks kind of cheap when the hoops are left unfinished inside !

I should have my Vision set in a few months and I've decided on the clear birch. Not only because I'm a big fan of clear finishes, but the bass drum hoops match...........inside and out.

[AL PERCIVAL]

How about a "sparkle-fade"?

[ntime]

How about a "sparkle-fade"?
I like Sparkle Fades really well!

[AL PERCIVAL]

This is really the 'think tank time' of the year for our Winter NAMM planning. Give us your suggestions on finishes. You never know....

[ntime]

How about a Red Sparkle Burst. Al, you know how much I like Red drums.

[AL PERCIVAL]

How about a Red Sparkle Burst. Al, you know how much I like Red drums.

:D ;)


ok, back to finishes.

As Paul Stanley would say..... "People? Leme hear ya?

[skywalker2]

AL!

Green sparkle green sparkle! i'll be all over that like a lampshade!!

Fades? yeah nice, but who doesn't offer a nice fade nowadays?

Sparkle fades? very nice, and ludwig does offer them, but the drums themselves are not up to par with the visions.


It doesn't even have to be a sparkle lacquer, just a wrap will do just fine!

Green sparkle is def a must have vision color. What other drum kits offer classic sparkles in this price range? you can get vintage nickel sparkle on the superstar and gun metal sparkle on the visions, but none of these are really classic sparkles in the same vein as green, blue and red sparkle are.


IF green is just no way gonna happen, i'd appreciate a nice read or blue sparkle.


With regards to lacquers, a nice burst like blue or green would be great. The visions already ownes with regards to shells, why not take the world by force like the ex/elx's did with amazing finishes?


Green sparkle Please gene!!!

[TWH]

Maybe some sparkle bursts like these.......

[skywalker2]

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very nice!

i'd love to see a blue like that, wether it was sparkle or not (like the old sbx blue burst. I mean hey, its not being used anymore!)

but if they are going to do a green, it needs to be a straight solid sparkle, wrapped or laqcuer, it does not matter. as long as its solid, green and SPARKLY.

[AL PERCIVAL]

Honestly keep the color idea's coming. I"ll forward this thread to our marketing folks.

2008 should be a year in which we get away from the safe conservative finishes and offer something new and exciting!

[Genius Switch]

thanks AL.

I really hope too see some new finishes on all Pearl series, particularly the ECX which is pretty boring in that aspect. Frankly a lot of finishes aren't very eye catching anymore, not with brands like PDP, Gretsch, ddrum, and Mapex who all have really raised the bar for unique and near-custom color options. Stripes, sparkle bursts, and metallic fades have made their way into their lower end kits, but not Pearl.

Frankly I'm sick of seeing red fades, amber fades, and tobacco/antique fade finishes. Every brand offers them. Let's see something that hasn't been seen before. BTW thanks for getting the Shimmer of Oz color available for the RF, though I'll probably never afford to get it.

[Genius Switch]

Thanks for the suggetions - keep them coming!

I'd also agree that any sparkle color would be nice as a wrap or lacquer. It really wouldn't matter to me. The Blue Strata VSX I played yesterday sounded outstanding.

[AL PERCIVAL]

thanks AL.

I really hope too see some new finishes on all Pearl series, particularly the ECX which is pretty boring in that aspect. Frankly a lot of finishes aren't very eye catching anymore, not with brands like PDP, Gretsch, ddrum, and Mapex who all have really raised the bar for unique and near-custom color options. Stripes, sparkle bursts, and metallic fades have made their way into their lower end kits, but not Pearl.

Frankly I'm sick of seeing red fades, amber fades, and tobacco/antique fade finishes. Every brand offers them. Let's see something that hasn't been seen before. BTW thanks for getting the Shimmer of Oz color available for the RF, though I'll probably never afford to get it.

I wish I could take credit for the 198 Shimmer of Oz being added to the ref series, but it wasn't my idea. Although I really love the finish, and I'm glad they've added it to the Reference as a special edition.

[SleightOfHand]

My color wants for pearl to consider.

Black Burst / Black Hardware
Amber Fade / Black Hardware
Green/black sparkle Burst as pictured in this thread

These two kits would be major sellers imo if the marketing for them was done correctly.

Green sparkle
http://www.metallica.com/images/extras/LarsUlrich_ma_800.jpg

White / Black Hardware
http://www.encycmet.com/equipment/LarsKit5.jpg

[silver swan]

id like to see a colbat fade re-birth, but with a little sparkle to it.

[paradiddlediddle666]

I should have my Vision set in a few months and I've decided on the clear birch. Not only because I'm a big fan of clear finishes, but the bass drum hoops match...........inside and out.


Good thinking! :D

[paradiddlediddle666]

This is really the 'think tank time' of the year for our Winter NAMM planning. Give us your suggestions on finishes. You never know....

How about a transparent, walnut-red-type finish? Or maybe a trans. midnight-blue finish? That would look stunning!

[PureRockFury]

I was thinking along the lines of some Pearl type wraps for ultimate class in looks.

http://www.jamminsam.com/images/blackoystervs2.jpg

http://www.jamminsam.com/images/vintagebluepearlscan.jpg

http://www.jamminsam.com/images/marinepearlscan.jpg

http://www.jamminsam.com/images/vintagewhitepearlscan.jpg

Satin Flame finishes also wouldn't be a bad idea. They are still pretty hot in the market, especially custom.

http://www.jamminsam.com/images/satinbluescan.jpg

http://www.jamminsam.com/images/firepurplescan1.jpg

http://www.jamminsam.com/images/satingreenscan.jpg

http://www.jamminsam.com/images/redsatinscan.jpg

[silver swan]

This one I would definately buy.
A deep galaxy sparkle burst with black h/w.............mmmmmmmmmm yummy!!

[silver swan]

also, how about the option to have a tom mount on the bass drum or not? I know alot people that doent use it and take it off and cover up the holes anyways, so why not make it an option to have it or not?
Just an idea.

[skywalker2]

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will never happen. not after every one on the forum wined about it on the exports and they finally made us a plate for it. lets not push it guys!


I TOTALLY agree with iron cobra; stop asking for boring transparents, and fades! EVERYONE HAS THEM! look at the poor mapex pro-m; about 5 different fades that all look the same! tama has 2 fades that look too similar as well, but at least they balance it out with interesting wraps and such.

I would really rather have different, NEW colors as opposed to doing the whole black hardware thing again, especially since they would probably have to use existing/old export colors to do it! if you want bhw so bad, get an export, the lugs are far to nice on the visions to have them cluttered by powdercoated hardware so early on in their life.


AL: sparkles. sparkles. sparkles. wrapped or lacquer. and if pearl does do a green sparkle, they will officially own every other kit in this segment.


a/c: while i do like the flame finishes, i think doing some of those pearl finishes are too similar to what is already availble on the vsx. I want something new.

[BrainWiped]

a blood red sparkle wold be amazing
Yeah- along with a finish like d/w tangerine sparkle, and a blue one like the electric blue on mapex saturns!

[skywalker2]

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yes this is what i am talking about!

obviously not every sparkle color under the rainbow, but maybe a couple that are really cool looking!!!!

[skywalker2]

hmmm... i had a moment to think and i've come to the conclusion that a nice clear solid lacquer WOULD look cool...but it would be VERY dependant on the color.


while wine reds and walnuts look classy, pearl would need to step it up a notch; again a nice green in the same vein as tamas British racing green would look excellent, or a nice bright ruby red, and less of a dark crimson, would be cool also.

oh and did i mentiond a bright sparkle would look good? ;)

[silver swan]

[QUOTE=skywalker2]/\/\

will never happen. not after every one on the forum wined about it on the exports and they finally made us a plate for it. lets not push it guys!QUOTE]


Yes they did make a plate.......but having that plate on top of the bass just takes away from the "look" of the kit. Have, for example, the cobalt fade kit, nice dark finish, to only have an eye sore chrome plate sitting on top of it. If they wont give that option, at least make the option to have this plate coloured to match the finish of the drums. that i would settle for.

[Acornz]

Like TWH said definately some sparkle bursts! And maybe the option for black or chrome hardware, that would be nice. :cool:

[silver swan]

Sparkles are nice, I agree, but a suddle sparkle in the finsh, dont want to over load the finish with sparkles, thats just g**. IMO

[skywalker2]

This is really the 'think tank time' of the year for our Winter NAMM planning. Give us your suggestions on finishes. You never know....


al, regardless of what happens and what colors are actually chosen, when in 08 do you think we'll know when they are out and start seeing them, at least on pearls website or on sites like mass music? ( the web dealers usually have them in stock quicker than say a local music shop or even guitar center, so thats why i ask.)

[skywalker2]

[QUOTE=skywalker2]/\/\

will never happen. not after every one on the forum wined about it on the exports and they finally made us a plate for it. lets not push it guys!QUOTE]


Yes they did make a plate.......but having that plate on top of the bass just takes away from the "look" of the kit. Have, for example, the cobalt fade kit, nice dark finish, to only have an eye sore chrome plate sitting on top of it. If they wont give that option, at least make the option to have this plate coloured to match the finish of the drums. that i would settle for.


oh don't get me wrong dude! i would totally love a virgin bass visions! But because offering the plate in different colors, or even having the ability to special order a bass drum like that is asking a bit much at this point, even the superstars didn't have a virgin bass until recenlty with the introduction of the hyperdrive lines. Again, i think it would be nice, but its a request for later on down the line, and for another thread! We should focus just on colors, and not what we 'wanted' out of the visions in general, as pearl gave us alot just with the introduction of a new kit!


I know this is going to be a counterproductive paragraph, especially considering what i just typed, but its with connection to your virgin bass question and the tama superstar: i think it would be great for pearl to offer a four piece kit. the reg. superstars come in this config, and its quite popular. In other markets (outside the u.s.) the superstar can be had in a 4 piece config with a 24 inch bass...and its virgin. Like i said the only way to get this otherwise is by getting a hyperdrive kit, but if pearl were to offer us a four piece kit w/ virgin bass that would be stunning. Heck even if it isn't virgin, a nice 4 piece visions would be great!

[skywalker2]

Like TWH said definately some sparkle bursts! And maybe the option for black or chrome hardware, that would be nice. :cool:


def cool, but not for this price range. not without jacking the price up anyway.

[skywalker2]

Sparkles are nice, I agree, but a suddle sparkle in the finsh, dont want to over load the finish with sparkles, thats just g**. IMO

maybe an uber sparkly color would be '***' but if the color is a sparkle in itself, it NEEDS to have a lot of 'sparkle'. I guess you are referring to a normal lacquer that has some sparkle thrown in? Like the old galaxy finishes on the elx? while those would be nice, we are talking about full on sparkle finishes, like the gun metal sparkle that is currently available on the visions vsx, but just in different colors, like blue, green(:)), or red etc. If you think they are '***' then don't buy it, get a more generic color. (which this thread is currently trying to fight against.)

[silver swan]

Im not saying sparkle finish's are bad, just theres a point where the sparkle is too much. I hate generic one tone colours on kits, I like the fades and the bursts myself.
Im not trying to argue with anyone or cause any trouble, just stating my opinion, which i have the right to do.
Sparkle finishs are good, yes, but like I said theres a point where too much sparkle is g**, or girly. I myself ordered the Mapex limited edition Blue Galaxy Sparkle Saturn kit, but the sparkle isnt as in your face as alot of the sparkle finish's I have seen. Its very suttle.
KWIM????
Im not trying to offend anyone that likes the sparkle stuff at all, and if I have, im sorry.

[Danuk]

Honestly keep the color idea's coming. I"ll forward this thread to our marketing folks.

2008 should be a year in which we get away from the safe conservative finishes and offer something new and exciting!

They should choose a sparkle burst from my thread of PS'd ones :D http://www.pearldrummersforum.com/showthread.php?t=178990

[Danuk]

Or how about a natural fading to a blue or green or something :D

[silver swan]

They should choose a sparkle burst from my thread of PS'd ones :D http://www.pearldrummersforum.com/showthread.php?t=178990


I love the blue sparkle fade one that you did.....maybe my next kit?

[skywalker2]

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yes i agree! the natural to blue or green would be great too, a fade that is different and not common i can live with.

[skywalker2]

Im not saying sparkle finish's are bad, just theres a point where the sparkle is too much. I hate generic one tone colours on kits, I like the fades and the bursts myself.
Im not trying to argue with anyone or cause any trouble, just stating my opinion, which i have the right to do.
Sparkle finishs are good, yes, but like I said theres a point where too much sparkle is g**, or girly. I myself ordered the Mapex limited edition Blue Galaxy Sparkle Saturn kit, but the sparkle isnt as in your face as alot of the sparkle finish's I have seen. Its very suttle.
KWIM????
Im not trying to offend anyone that likes the sparkle stuff at all, and if I have, im sorry.


no one is hating on your opinion man, but just like you have a right to your opinion, you also have a right to accept that 'having too much sparkle is girly' is not fact, and should not be stated as such.

the point of this thread is steer pearl away from the usual boring fades, as nice as they may be. so the girlier the better. And even then this can be argued, as i strongly disagree with the opinion of something shiny or sparkly automatically means its feminine. i certainly wouldn't call black sparkle or blue sparkle girly, maybe a pink or magenta, but not the former. Have you seen the gun metal sparkle currently available? would you still consider that 'girly'?


Pearl: yes, please continue with a full on sparkle.

[silver swan]

LOL.......I guess your right, to a point.
I think that they should all of them, like a few fades, a few burst, and a few sparkles, makes everyone happy. right?

[skywalker2]

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totally agreed man. something for everyone!

[silver swan]

Yeah, thats the best move Pearl could do for this series. IMO
I really like the sparkle busts that Danuk did on Photoshop. I would most def. buy one!!

[skywalker2]

yeah, i probably would too! but the blue burst one he did a picture of reminded me of the blue burst that used to be on the sbx sessions; and i think that left in its natural (original) state, it would look great on the visions.

as cool as the sparkle burst finishes go, i think we would be better off pushing either bursts or sparkles but not both; pearl would have to balance out if those finishes could potentially be too costly to put on in this price range (ludwig has them on their accent series, but from a shell/hardware viewpoint thats were the cost cutting comes in) and they could end up with a series that has nicer/more interesting finishes than more expensive lines such as the mcx or ecx.

[Drumage4u]

I gotta vote for midnight fade...it's my favorite color for drums.

[skywalker2]

hey peeps! more votes for sparkles!

i'm not going to sit here around feb of next year pissed because a bunch of doods decided to vote for fades and not even end up getting a vision! vote for sparkles!

[big daddy cool]

does anyone make a drum kit that is not sparkles......or glass......... oh well i guess they do but anyways i vote SSSSSPPPPAAAARRRRKKKKLLLLLEEEESSSSSSS....

[TWH]

Originally Posted by Danuk
They should choose a sparkle burst from my thread of PS'd ones


Sorry Danuk, should have given you props for those photos I plucked for this thread. I think the green diamond burst is the Shiznit!!

[Genius Switch]

My argument for fade finishes. Generally I don't like any color that fades to black. Midnight Fade for example looks mostly all black from a distance. Cobalt Fade was the same way. Even those Blue Galaxy and Red Sparkle fades on Starclassic Performers lose me.

Then I saw hope in this photo from NAMM. (see below) Check out the red wood-hoop drum in the background. It fades, but to a darker red color instead of near-black. Then next to that you've got Sapphire Burst, which always has, and always will be one of my all time favorites. Blue and purple go together so nice. I've seen that color in real life on an older Masters kit. Mind blowing.

That's what I'm looking for. You can take any color and fade it to black, but even something like green/yellow fade can look marvelous if it's done right.

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I TOTALLY agree with iron cobra; stop asking for boring transparents, and fades! EVERYONE HAS THEM! look at the poor mapex pro-m; about 5 different fades that all look the same! tama has 2 fades that look too similar as well, but at least they balance it out with interesting wraps and such.

I would really rather have different, NEW colors as opposed to doing the whole black hardware thing again, especially since they would probably have to use existing/old export colors to do it! if you want bhw so bad, get an export, the lugs are far to nice on the visions to have them cluttered by powdercoated hardware so early on in their life.


Agree and Agree. I noticed the Pro-M have those redundant colors too. But they took a chance with Bermuda and Platinum sparkle, and now Boston Pewter Fade. I would be more inclined to get those since nobody else does them. They stand out and it's makes those kits a little more special than Joe Smith's run of the mill Amber Cherry Scarlet Redwood Tobacco fade seen on so many kits.

I like black hardware on some drums, but chrome looks good no matter what the situation and like you said, the new lugs are too nice to hide with powdercoat. Plus if it's done poorly to keep cost low, it ends up looking like plastic. No thanks.

[-Aj-]

I think its a tricky equasion, a lot of the finishes people are asking for are basically master's finishes, and Pearl is not going to offer master's finishes on visions its that simple. so we need to think what can be done thats good, but wont stomp on the other lines that Pearl do.

I think a nice semi-transparent metalic would be great, along the lines of platnium mist, but obviously not the same as platnium mist.

sparkles are all the rage right now, pearl would clean up if the introduced a decent green.... like a green with hints of yellow (read gold) sparkle. Like "shimmer of oz" but without quite so much gold flake, and obviously the sparkle wouldn't be as deep as the ref version due to the "its only a semi-pro" fact.

Also if they did a champagne, no one does that in semi-pro.

I know for a fact Tama's efforts with the saturn flames on superstars kind of flopped (at least in Aus) so i'd stay away from them.

on the sparkle finishes especially, completely finished bass hoops make a massive difference, and really give the kit some class.

I think, although Pearl is somewhat conservative in the finishes, you can only go so far before you get into wacky "niche" finishes that limit the appeal of kits, I do think pearl needs a shake up with sizeing though.

I know its a finish thread.... but the writing is on the wall. People want short stack racks. 10x7 12x7 13x8. thats not true short stack but its whats popular. also offer the "fusion" floor toms (14 x 12 16x14) with legs.

Look at how amazingly fast the Tama hyperdrive kits sold. people ate them up..... If pearl released a "limited edition" run with a 22x18 10x7 12x7 14x12 (legs) 16x14 (legs) people would go ballistic I think, new finishes or not.

.. and maybe ever go so bold as to a deeper snare. 5.5 aint so deep anymore.... with all the 14x10's running around getting hype. a kick up to a 6.5 sensitone, would be cool.

I'm only saying this in here because there was the poss. of this thread getting forwarded onto marketing...

[skywalker2]

That's what I'm looking for. You can take any color and fade it to black, but even something like green/yellow fade can look marvelous if it's done right.



Agree and Agree. I noticed the Pro-M have those redundant colors too. But they took a chance with Bermuda and Platinum sparkle, and now Boston Pewter Fade. I would be more inclined to get those since nobody else does them. They stand out and it's makes those kits a little more special than Joe Smith's run of the mill Amber Cherry Scarlet Redwood Tobacco fade seen on so many kits.

I like black hardware on some drums, but chrome looks good no matter what the situation and like you said, the new lugs are too nice to hide with powdercoat. Plus if it's done poorly to keep cost low, it ends up looking like plastic. No thanks.



i agree as well!

far to nice of a lug to be ruining so early on!

iron, those pics are amazing! that green fade is teh sex! i would hurt for a kit like that...i'd murder for a green sparkle wrap though. To me its never been a fad, as i've always liked them, regardless of what trends are.

but yes, those fades are brilliant, and if pearl can put something to a similar effect on the visions it would be fantastic. With regards to fades i do agree with you in that they are not bad at all if they do end up looking like this instead of being a generic cherry/caramel/tobacco color, or just fading to black.

[skywalker2]

[QUOTE=Hoboman]I think its a tricky equasion, a lot of the finishes people are asking for are basically master's finishes, and Pearl is not going to offer master's finishes on visions its that simple. so we need to think what can be done thats good, but wont stomp on the other lines that Pearl do.

sparkles are all the rage right now, pearl would clean up if the introduced a decent green.... like a green with hints of yellow (read gold) sparkle. Like "shimmer of oz" but without quite so much gold flake, and obviously the sparkle wouldn't be as deep as the ref version due to the "its only a semi-pro" fact.

Also if they did a champagne, no one does that in semi-pro.




I think, although Pearl is somewhat conservative in the finishes, you can only go so far before you get into wacky "niche" finishes that limit the appeal of kits, I do think pearl needs a shake up with sizeing though.

QUOTE]


tama's vintage nickel sparkle is kinda champagne looking.


and i agree with not wanting it to come off to wacky; the pdp kits that are supossed to be reminiscent of the weird color combos that some custom companies do are totally lame imo.

i don't want anything masters like, take the green fade on the old elx's for example! they could use that and fade it to a ligher green like in the pics ironcobra posted and it would be a wonderful solid choice. (i'd like it to be a brighter green obviously, as oppossed to a the slightly yellow/darker tone that it gets on the elx.)

besides, i think that what seperates the masters line from the visions is how the finish is applied; they are both done well, but the masters just has more steps. as long as pearl isn't using the same process for the visions finishes, it shouldn't step on the masters toes.

I guess the only problem then would be a masters player finding the color he wants in a visions but not on his own kits line. but i still think that there is a healthy middle point, and that pearl can balance it all out.

[skywalker2]

oh and one more thing; thanks to all who voted sparkles!!!!

[Genius Switch]

About configurations (Since it was brought up)

I've never understood why Pearl and so many other brands have held onto the hanging floor tom trend for so long. I've owned two kits, an ELX and a BRX, both with 11x14 hanging floor toms. I've had problems on both kits getting them to sound deep enough. I have trouble getting hanging toms into the perfect poisition during setup. They want to sag and bounce too much when you hit them. Plus how many pro endorsees do you see rocking just one hanging floor tom anymore? I'm going with floor toms on legs from here on out.

One of the main reasons I've been eye-balling Mapex Pro M and M-birch is because they offer configurations with TWO floor toms with legs. They also offer the 4 piece configs with 18x24 or 20x22 kicks. I'm not saying I have to have a 24" kick but at least its an option. These sizes are becoming more and more popular and it would really sway my vote back towards Pearl if I could get a pre-pack with two floor toms and not have to do a special order/6 month deal.

The Vision is a sweet kit at the moment but adding a few different configs with bigger and/or more drums would definetly make them a winner across the board.

Back to finishes. I just downloaded a trial of PhotoShop since my computer has nothing beyond HP Photo Smart for red eye and cropping. Tonight or maybe tomorrow morning I will have several concept colors that we can vote for.

[skywalker2]

sounds good ic, post em as soon as you can!(you know what i want to see :))

i gotta question for ya too; how do you feel the visions stack up against the catalina birch? i know you are pretty fond of them, so i just wanted to know.

[Genius Switch]

sounds good ic, post em as soon as you can!(you know what i want to see :))

i gotta question for ya too; how do you feel the visions stack up against the catalina birch? i know you are pretty fond of them, so i just wanted to know.

The Catalina Birch came with single ply tom heads which made them a little brighter and slightly louder than the Vision I've played. Also on the Catalina I remember getting lots of projection and attack without having to lay into the toms. On the Vision I had to play a little harder to get the same result. I'd like to hear a Vision with single ply heads to see if that's the reason or if it was something like ply thickness or bearing edges.

For both kits the bass heads are pre-muffled and both kits had a solid reso. I didn't use a pillow in the Catalina, it didn't need it. The Vision I played the other day had a small black pillow, but even at softer volumes it still projected nicely. Again I'd like to hear it without muffling to determine the maximum sound quality.

Hardware and finish wise the Vision wins hands down. I loved the look of the Catalina lugs, but the hoop claws, spurs, strainer, and leg brackets on the Vision are much more modern looking and that's not counting the molded rubber gaskets and brass tuning inserts.

The Catalina Birch was the best sounding kit I've ever owned. It really opened my eyes (or ears) to the potential sound and performance that lower priced kits can offer. But it was a shell pack. Luckily I could use the stands from my other kit. The 900 series stuff with the Vision series is great in itself, let alone it comes standard with every kit.

I'm working on those concept colors as we speak. I think I've got a couple good ideas but I'll wait to post them all at once. Probably won't be until tomorrow.

[Genius Switch]

ok I had to go ahead and get this one done tonight. Not my best work since I just downloaded Photo Shop last night. What do you think?

More to come tomorrow. Requests?

[skywalker2]

:)

me likey a lot!

dude that first one is superb! exactly what i want the visions to look like...granted i understand that no other kit offers a classic sparkle color like this in this price range, but if pearl could do it, it would be incredible! thanks for taking the time to do it! the 2nd looks cool too!


I was looking into the catalina birch, thats why i asked about the kit; musicians friend had the fusion floor shell pack for like 500 bucks and they were selling an add on 16 floor tom for another 200. so it was tantalizing. But i think the visions will sound good enough to compete, and i don't have to worry about hardware except for a bass pedal(planning on getting a, you guess it, iron cobra ;))

thanks again for the pics man!

[Genius Switch]

Here's what I came up with so far.

[skywalker2]

holy cow iron!! i would glady buy ANY of these!


the light blue was something i had not even thought of and it looks superb. I'm diggin the purple and that dark blue fade is spectacular.

The green owns too ofcourse ;)


i didn't realize you were taking requests....how about a fade similar to that blue one at the bottom...but w/ the green?

if not its cool..because what you have already posted is flawless.


Pay attention pearl. close attention!!!

[AL PERCIVAL]

The green sparkle and fades look very cool!

[skywalker2]

well it has al's stamps of approval, so just relay the message for us mr. percival!

[Genius Switch]

Thanks dudes! I'll try to do a few more tonight. The challenge is getting the lugs and everything to reflect the new colors without painting over them entirley.

[Daniel Douchette]

I think you could axe ALL the wraps. I work at Fork's and we never sell those onyx colors.

danny

[skywalker2]

I think you could axe ALL the wraps. I work at Fork's and we never sell those onyx colors.

danny


have they taught you at forks what the difference is between an onyx and a sparkle? because while you may not sell any of the onyx wraps, none of the ones ic posted are onyx...they are sparkle finishes...the solids most likely to be be made into a wrap and the bursts and fades lacquer finishes.

[skywalker2]

that is, if they do get made!

i'm glad this thread is getting some attention al!!! :)

[skywalker2]

hello marketing dept. these are the colors that need to be on the visions.


make us proud!! ;)

[Genius Switch]

Here's the next batch. I messed around with browns and came up with a few I liked. The first color would match my Canopus snare very nicely. Canopus calls it "Ninja Black" The next is my version of Super Brown Fade, I think Tama use to do it. The next two are of a nice purple fade I'd like to see. The last is similar to Storm Cloud Fade but has more teal I think. What do you think?

Thanks again guys for keeping this thread going....I'll try to do some sparkle fades tonight.

[Genius Switch]

more ideas.
1. Antique Sparkle Burst
2. Burnt Orange Sparkle
3. Green Sparkle
4. Orange Sparkle
5. Purple Sparkle - I love this one. Similar to Tama's UltraViolet Sparkle. I call it Heliotrope Sparkle

[-Aj-]

Those orange sparkle kits look amazing cobra! And the storm cloud with teal is a winner.... I'm attempting some feeble photoshops... I'll put em up later

[-Aj-]

Ok heres some attempts with my dodgey photoshop skills.... please excuse the sparkle bursts as I had to do the gradient myself and I'm new-ish to photshop.

on with the pics!!

first up the sparkles..

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j236/thenorrisfiles/visions/orangesparkle.jpg

I like this orange sparkle... its a nice shade IMO.. not too saturated..

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j236/thenorrisfiles/visions/Limegreensparkle.jpg

This one is what i call OMFGITSBRIGHTGREEN sparkle.. something a little different... not for everybody deffinately...

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j236/thenorrisfiles/visions/greensparkle.jpg

Your friendly neighborhood green sparkle... classic and hot.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j236/thenorrisfiles/visions/Greensparkleburst.jpg

The same green sparkle in a burst....pardon the burst I'm not that great with PS

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j236/thenorrisfiles/visions/Bluesparkleburst.jpg

And a nice deep blue sparkle burst.... I think rich blue's ftw!!


OK now we've got some fade's... I saved the best till last. I love these next three personally.. I'm pretty happy with them...

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j236/thenorrisfiles/visions/tealfade.jpg

Teal fade.. similar to Iron cobra's "storm cloud with teal"

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j236/thenorrisfiles/visions/chocbrownfade.jpg

Chocolate brown fade... i think its super super hot... do you?

And finally one badass looking green sparkle.. if they made these I'd buy 10

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j236/thenorrisfiles/visions/visionsgreen.jpg

thats all from me for now, sorry they're not the best quality! If anyone has a request.. shoot..

Alex


EDIT:

I noticed some guys wanted natural fades.. heres a few attempts...

first before the naturals.... a cheap diamond burst copy.... cliche'... but its nice..

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j236/thenorrisfiles/visions/silversparkleburst.jpg

Green to natural fade.. sorry about the fade quality... PS noobie here

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j236/thenorrisfiles/visions/greennatfade.jpg

the same but in blue

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j236/thenorrisfiles/visions/BLuenatfade.jpg

Green to natural burst.. I kinda like it...

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j236/thenorrisfiles/visions/greennatburst.jpg

the same in blue.... the middle section has a more teal tinge though.. it was a quick colour replacement so my bad..

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j236/thenorrisfiles/visions/bluenatburst.jpg

and lastly this one just looked interesting.. i was playing with hue and this combo popped up.. I call it violet fade...

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j236/thenorrisfiles/visions/violetfade.jpg

take care
Alex

[Genius Switch]

Nice job..you have excellent PS skills. The teal fade and violet fade are amazing.

[SleightOfHand]

Pearl needs to have finishes that make the drums LOOK like they are worth $3,000. C'mon be honest, doesnt this kit

http://pearldrummersforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=288680&stc=1

just LOOK like it would sound 10x better than this kit?

http://pearldrummersforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=265973&stc=1

All other specs of the kit ignored?
It just looks the part!

[Narwhal De La Guerre]

i would love that teal/blueish colour!

im glad im ordering my kit after namm so i can look for new colours

[SleightOfHand]

i would love that teal/blueish colour!

im glad im ordering my kit after namm so i can look for new colours

Ditto. If I choose a vision when its time to pull the trigger, ill have an improved vision to consider!

[skywalker2]

holy crap guys! ic, hoboman amazing jobs!

my personal faves:

the green sparkles ofcourse.


both versions of ic's teal/stormcloud fade.

the orange sparkle,

the natural to green burst

the violet fade

and the greenfade that hoboman did.


honestly, with fades like this, i wouldn't mind if there was no green sparkle...ah, nah, i still need the green!!! but if these finishes existed as well i could drool over them and still have my preferred kit!


excellent job guys!

[Narwhal De La Guerre]

summer namm is like...next week right?

[cezegg]

cobalt fade with black hardware!
amber fade with black hardware!
and other export finishes.. haha

[b.w.]

A green - black sparkle fade would be very cool. Fades with white are cool too...just like Portnoy's Purple Monster.

[skywalker2]

cobalt fade with black hardware!
amber fade with black hardware!
and other export finishes.. haha



HA HA!!!


































....no.

[AL PERCIVAL]

summer namm is like...next week right?

July 27th, 28th and 29th in Austin, Tx!

meaning................ now! :D ;)

[AL PERCIVAL]

Ironcobra8 and Hoboman, your PS work is excellent.

I've named this Aqua-Marine Fade! :)

[SleightOfHand]

Ironcobra8 and Hoboman, your PS work is excellent.

I've named this Aqua-Marine Fade! :)

Oh snap I think this means we might see a similar fade on the visions in 08 :cool:

[AL PERCIVAL]

Oh snap I think this means we might see a similar fade on the visions in 08 :cool:

I just liked the name and thought it fit the color well. I don't know what has been or will be decided on colors, although I know talks are currently going on and there will be new finishes for sure.

[Danuk]

My argument for fade finishes. Generally I don't like any color that fades to black. Midnight Fade for example looks mostly all black from a distance. Cobalt Fade was the same way. Even those Blue Galaxy and Red Sparkle fades on Starclassic Performers lose me.

Then I saw hope in this photo from NAMM. (see below) Check out the red wood-hoop drum in the background. It fades, but to a darker red color instead of near-black. Then next to that you've got Sapphire Burst, which always has, and always will be one of my all time favorites. Blue and purple go together so nice. I've seen that color in real life on an older Masters kit. Mind blowing.

.


Nice... I'm partial to a bit of Sapphire burst, some may have noticed :D

[Tre Cool The 2nd]

http://www.pearldrummersforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=289093&stc=1 I like that very much

Or maybe something Cobalt fade.

[Genius Switch]

another batch

[Genius Switch]

more

[Genius Switch]

again

[Narwhal De La Guerre]

July 27th, 28th and 29th in Austin, Tx!

meaning................ now! :D ;)
sweet, cant wait to see some pics

[ludvista29]

How about a light blue sparkle fade. Like The sparkle to silver.

[Narwhal De La Guerre]

i would kill for one of these on my vision

http://www.pearldrummersforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=278656&stc=1


but let me get this straight...there wont be any finish changes until 08?

i dont think i can wait that long for new drums

[Genius Switch]

How about a light blue sparkle fade. Like The sparkle to silver.

Here you go.

[-Aj-]

Hey guys....

Cobra... where did you get that source pic for that last batch? I looked everywhere and only found this smaller one.....

Anyway... Al... seeing as you liked the Aquamarine fade, I thought I'd do a couple takes on it, I like the name, the colour is very similar to Tama's old Aquamarine so it fits very well.... anyway heres a couple...

Your stock standard one
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j236/thenorrisfiles/visions/Aquamarinefade1.jpg

A little darker version.. I'm more partial to it.. but I think the fade effect would be lost over distance, so the brighter one is probably better...
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j236/thenorrisfiles/visions/Aquamarinefade2.jpg

Heres the A-fade..... in sparkle!
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j236/thenorrisfiles/visions/Aquamarinesparklefade.jpg

And a burst... in sparkle...
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j236/thenorrisfiles/visions/Aquamarinesparkleburst.jpg



Finally heres a few other colours that I liked....
I call it "pale gold"
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j236/thenorrisfiles/visions/Palegoldsparkle.jpg

I know I've done a couple but I'm a sucker for green fades....
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j236/thenorrisfiles/visions/Greenfade1.jpg

Finally in answer to the Cobalt fade requests....
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j236/thenorrisfiles/visions/Cobaltfade1.jpg

Take care dudes!

Alex

[Genius Switch]

Cobra... where did you get that source pic for that last batch? I looked everywhere and only found this smaller one.....



It's the wallpaper from the Vision Gallery page on pearldrum.com I shrank it down a little bit.

VSX:
http://www.pearldrum.com/wwwroot/combo/vsx-wall2.jpg

VLX:
http://www.pearldrum.com/wwwroot/combo/vlx-wall2.jpg

[-Aj-]

sweeet, might do some more later using that image, thanks bro

[timpanista]

ironcobra8 how about doing a cherry sunburst finish but not over sparkle. just over natural birch. thanks!

[skywalker2]

hoboman and ic, again great colors!

ic some of those blueish fades were amazing!


and that green, blue and red sparkles were stunning! ( i forgot how much i enjoy red sparkles.)

hoboman i'm all for that greenf fade too!


and cobalt fade would look very nice as well....as long as not black hardware is involved. :)


so al has this thread gotten some people talking? i hope that ironcobra8 and hobomans efforts do not go unoticed!










Ijustwantthegreesparkledammit!

[AL PERCIVAL]

Hey guys....

Cobra... where did you get that source pic for that last batch? I looked everywhere and only found this smaller one.....

Anyway... Al... seeing as you liked the Aquamarine fade, I thought I'd do a couple takes on it, I like the name, the colour is very similar to Tama's old Aquamarine so it fits very well.... anyway heres a couple...

Your stock standard one
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j236/thenorrisfiles/visions/Aquamarinefade1.jpg

A little darker version.. I'm more partial to it.. but I think the fade effect would be lost over distance, so the brighter one is probably better...
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j236/thenorrisfiles/visions/Aquamarinefade2.jpg

Heres the A-fade..... in sparkle!
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j236/thenorrisfiles/visions/Aquamarinesparklefade.jpg

And a burst... in sparkle...
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j236/thenorrisfiles/visions/Aquamarinesparkleburst.jpg



Finally heres a few other colours that I liked....
I call it "pale gold"
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j236/thenorrisfiles/visions/Palegoldsparkle.jpg

I know I've done a couple but I'm a sucker for green fades....
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j236/thenorrisfiles/visions/Greenfade1.jpg

Finally in answer to the Cobalt fade requests....
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j236/thenorrisfiles/visions/Cobaltfade1.jpg

Take care dudes!

Alex

I'm sending this to our Marketing (although I've already e-blasted them to view this thread. :D

And you are right, your first few attempts does look like the Tama Artstar Aquamarine (see last pic)

[-Aj-]

I'm sending this to our Marketing (although I've already e-blasted them to view this thread. :D

And you are right, your first few attempts does look like the Tama Artstar Aquamarine (see last pic)


Wow, had i known it would be sent to such places.. I probably would've taken a bit more time lol

Thanks Al

[skywalker2]

yes!


thanks for taking the time to send it al!


don't forget to mention the green to em though. ;)



wow. i really think if there is no green available, i'll have a heart attack.

[ludvista29]

Here you go.
Thanks
But i was looking for something more along this

http://www.peelerdrumcenter.com/images/YamahaColorBlueSparkleFadeLacquer.JPG

[Genius Switch]

WOW thanks AL! I hope some of our ideas make it to the table (or whatever the Pearl execs gather around). If anything I'd like to see more seconday color choices instead of natural, black, and red, white, and blue. I'd love a good purple, orange, or green, no matter if it's sparkle, fade, burst, or solid lacquer.

Other than that, I'd be very impressed if Pearl also met the demand for different configurations. PRE-PACKS WITH 2 FLOOR TOMS!!!

Can't wait for NAMM '08.

[Tom Reyns]

God that Emerald Fade-ish colour is hot!

[skywalker2]

WOW thanks AL! I hope some of our ideas make it to the table (or whatever the Pearl execs gather around). If anything I'd like to see more seconday color choices instead of natural, black, and red, white, and blue. I'd love a good purple, orange, or green, no matter if it's sparkle, fade, burst, or solid lacquer.

Other than that, I'd be very impressed if Pearl also met the demand for different configurations. PRE-PACKS WITH 2 FLOOR TOMS!!!

Can't wait for NAMM '08.


word. i'd like to see some new configs too....like a double floor tom option or a good ole four piece straight from the box!


in all honesty, as amazing as some of these colors are, i don't think they will make it onto the visions in their most absolute awesome form....but even so, to echo what you said, a nice purple, orange or even a nice solid green like tamas british racing green, would be a welcome change from all the mahogany's in the world.

[big daddy cool]

I have to say a pre packaged kit with a 24 would be very nice... oh yea sparkles , sparkles , sparkles..... hint hint al ....

[AL PERCIVAL]

Gene looked at this thread and said he thought alot of the colors were cool so you never know? After all, you are the voice of Pearl and some of the things we've done in the past were directly in response to things you've asked for.

[skywalker2]

awesome! case in point, the bb-3 plate!!

i don't have TREMENDOUSLY high hopes, but hopefully a few of the ideas will trickle down! while the green sparkle is still number one in my book, a green ANYTHING would be fantastic, as would any kind of sparkle other than gun metal.

[.:On The Rock:.]

I would love to see a finish thats a semi-navy blue to sky blue sparkle burst.

yes more sparkle bursts or fades.

[MAC424]

I cant pick.. These ideas are very well thought out and some of these colors I wish pearl already had available.

[skywalker2]

totally agreed. so good in fact, that i can see them as masters colors...and not making it onto the visons! :(

[Tom Reyns]

awesome! case in point, the bb-3 plate!!

i don't have TREMENDOUSLY high hopes, but hopefully a few of the ideas will trickle down! while the green sparkle is still number one in my book, a green ANYTHING would be fantastic, as would any kind of sparkle other than gun metal.Agreed, green kits look killer!

[ben4572]

I really want to see burst colors also. Also a ruby fade, love those colors.

[skywalker2]

/\/\/\
no no no! this is what we are trying to get away from!

fades? yes. recyled colors? no.

besides you can already get a nice classic red fade on the visions if thats what you want.

[ebuzzcut]

Man. the blue/turquiose sparkle fade and burst look awesome!

[RemoNico]

I would love to see a BLUE MIST and GREEN FADE Vision:)

Cheers!

Oh, great thread btw.

[MAC424]

Looking through this thread here are my favorites so far:

[EXHUMED]

Sorry for the bump, but I saw the link in ironcobra8's sig, so yeah. :o

I think a nice Teal Blue lacquer would be good. I think it's an amazing finish.<3

[sparkie]

i love some of the idea's in here. im sorry for this but i have to ask because i cant use photo-shop. could somebody do a storm cloud sparkle?or a storm cloud burst? i think this finish would look really good.

[Boxytheboxed]

id totaly did Sappihre burst but blue purple blue
not purple blue purple
and like a deep mightnight fade purple and a like ocean sparkle blue, something that really pops

[Boxytheboxed]

againHOLY HELL, just saw these
i love that blue-purple one, those colors-sparkle+tamo ash....mmmmmmmmmmmm

[AL PERCIVAL]

I think PMI has sent color swatches that have already been approved for 2008 Vision series. Me thinks you will like. :D

[Pearl-Drumz]

I don't know if this could work but Tamo Wood Finishes would look godly on these drums.

[AL PERCIVAL]

I don't know if this could work but Tamo Wood Finishes would look godly on these drums.

Because the primary shell is birch, having a Tamo finish would involved using an added outer ply veneer. I agree it would look nice, but I doubt they'll do that on the Vision series.

[dis330]

Because the primary shell is birch, having a Tamo finish would involved using an added outer ply veneer. I agree it would look nice, but I doubt they'll do that on the Vision series.

Visions? Never, but a "stock" exotic Masters might sell very well. Priced higher than the Masters but well under the artisan Masterworks. Maybe the Tamo with only one finish. Limited Edition????

[-Aj-]

Because the primary shell is birch, having a Tamo finish would involved using an added outer ply veneer. I agree it would look nice, but I doubt they'll do that on the Vision series.

Oh dont teeease...... :p

any of mine make it in their? I'm soo claiming a free kit in that colour if it did...... :D



or not.


but hey I guess i can be like. yeah brown fade. I invented that. and everyone will look at me funny.... :p

[AL PERCIVAL]

Oh dont teeease...... :p

any of mine make it in their? I'm soo claiming a free kit in that colour if it did...... :D



or not.


but hey I guess i can be like. yeah brown fade. I invented that. and everyone will look at me funny.... :p


One looks somewhat similar to one of your colors I'm not saying which one. :) I think PMI picked their color selections back in early July.

[-Aj-]

One looks somewhat similar to one of your colors I'm not saying which one. :) I think PMI picked their color selections back in early July.

ooooohhhh


welll.. i guess i cant claim credit then. Not that you could actually claim credit for a color. BLue... yeah i invented that..... :rolleyes: not going to happen.


Al why havn't we been hearing ANYTHING about summer namm? didn't anything new come out?

[AL PERCIVAL]

ooooohhhh


welll.. i guess i cant claim credit then. Not that you could actually claim credit for a color. BLue... yeah i invented that..... :rolleyes: not going to happen.


Al why havn't we been hearing ANYTHING about summer namm? didn't anything new come out?

Nothing new (from Pearl) at summer NAMM. Since The Summer NAMM is coming back to NASHVILLE next summer (2008), maybe we'll play a bigger role in it. In the past, we plan most of our new products at the annual Winter NAMM in Anaheim, CA.

[Akahito]

I'm really hoping to see some of the old ELX finishes on the kits, like Burgundy Mist, Amber Mist, Blue Mist, Green Fade, Cobalt Fade, etc.

[EricLThomp]

Something like marina blue fade

The purple color from midnight fade, but just in a solid stain, no fade.

Maybe a midnight purple sparkle. YUMMY!!

[skywalker2]

I'm really hoping to see some of the old ELX finishes on the kits, like Burgundy Mist, Amber Mist, Blue Mist, Green Fade, Cobalt Fade, etc.


nah. i don't. we need something new, fresh. not something tired and re-used.


and downright plain looking i might add. classy, yes, but still very plain.

[EricLThomp]

nah. i don't. we need something new, fresh. not something tired and re-used.


and downright plain looking i might add. classy, yes, but still very plain.


I agree, fresh...but not so simple looking that it looks cheap and cheesy. I know this is a budget kit and all, but at least make it look expensive like the reference, masters, etc. For example, Gun Metal Sparkle and Clear Birch are hands down the 2 best finishes on the kit. They are classy, can be used in any setting, look expensive and are timeless....

[Akahito]

nah. i don't. we need something new, fresh. not something tired and re-used.


and downright plain looking i might add. classy, yes, but still very plain.
As long as "fresh" doesn't mean vomit burst or toxic waste fade, I'm okay with that. :D I'm a big fan of the good old red stain finish in any kit, and the Amber Mist is just hot rod. :D

[shadowdwpp]

I've had lots of questions to ask but they are moot now.
I have a vision VSX blue strata so my questions now is
will I be able to order extra drum in this color next year or should I pickup the ones I don't have 8 16 and 18 now just to be sure I can get them in the same color?

[shadowdwpp]

I've had lots of questions to ask but they are moot now.
I have a vision VSX blue strata so my questions now is
will I be able to order extra drums in this color next year or should I pickup the ones I don't have 8 16 and 18 now just to be sure I can get them in the same color?

[elfmotat]

i think a green/blue based finish would look good

[Akahito]

I've had lots of questions to ask but they are moot now.
I have a vision VSX blue strata so my questions now is
will I be able to order extra drums in this color next year or should I pickup the ones I don't have 8 16 and 18 now just to be sure I can get them in the same color?
You will be able to order them in the colour without extra charge regardless, but I don't think they'll be discontinuing the strata blue just yet.

[JonnyOz]

I'd love to see Midnight Fade for the Vision Series! :D

[EricLThomp]

I'd love to see Midnight Fade for the Vision Series! :D


Me too! Or either just that shade of purple in a sparkle. Either one I think would be GREAT!

[JonnyOz]

Me too! Or either just that shade of purple in a sparkle. Either one I think would be GREAT!

Heh, well, now that you mention it, my fav color on ANY Pearl set would be the Purple Craze from the Reference series. When I get my Ref someday...that's the one to pick...oooh yeah!

[CUZNRED]

The Clear Birch is a very classy finnish, I would like to see a cranberry laquer. What about a matte satin finnish? That would be killer

[kev]

I'd love a green fade like this!

http://www.pearldrum.com/04_nuupdates/session/2004-SMX.jpg

I love the look of the wood, and the green to black, I'm not sure about black hardware though, whether it would be look great or tacky.

Although I wouldn't demand too much :D I gotta say, if the visions had that, I'd go for it!!
(NAMM 08 should be about when I have enough money together for a Vision :) )

[shanmag]

^^^ oohhhh that is NICE!!

[kev]

^^^ oohhhh that is NICE!!
Certainly is!
I'd love a kit like that.

[jaco815]

How about a "sparkle-fade"?

Definitely an emerald green sparkle fade. I would also Like to see some stripes, as is popular on the custom kits nowadays. Maybe like a Lime green laquer with an offset black stripe and black hardware. Kids would buy that.

[skywalker2]

As long as "fresh" doesn't mean vomit burst or toxic waste fade, I'm okay with that. :D I'm a big fan of the good old red stain finish in any kit, and the Amber Mist is just hot rod. :D



haha! totally agreed! :D what a lol moment.

[-Zebracurtainz-]

TAMA'S ANTIQUE NATURAL BURST! Soooooooooooooooooo Awesome!

Also, A Diamond Burst and I'd buy a vison kit that very day!

[devildrums555]

Maybe some sparkle bursts like these.......
The green sparkle burst was amazing. I just messed myself.

I <3 green bursts!!!

[Superball_Drummer1]

some green, blue, and purple fades would be nice

[Chad1200]

Arctic White #109 on a new Vision kit would make my world complete. If I can't have that I'll have to settle for clear birch.

I was going to buiild a custom kit this winter but all this hype over what's gonna be new with the Vision series next year is making me put that project on hold to see what Pearl can come up with.

[sean_thao]

I'll start by saying I love the Vision kits. I played another one today. The sound is remarkable. I was totally blown away by the kick drum! Top to bottom the Vision series rocks. However, I can't say there's one color that jumps out at me as a "must-have."

So now that the Vision series has taken off, and since talk of new colors is in the air (See this post (http://www.pearldrummersforum.com/showpost.php?p=1852166882&postcount=7)) I am curious what others are hoping for in the future for the Vision series. Maybe some ideas will make it back to Pearl Japan.

Personally I'd like to see a nice green sparkle.

hey...comparing the Vision set to your Masters set..how do you think it compares? Is the Vision even close to the Masters in terms of sound quality? And other things like that? Please Respond. THanks.

[Genius Switch]

If you're asking if there's a difference in sound...absolutely. One is 6 ply 100% birch with die cast hoops and single ply Remo heads. The other is 6 to 8 plys birch/basswood with flanged hoops and Pearl's 2 ply heads. But is the Vision lacking in terms of sound quality? I wouldn't say so.

I've played 2 Vision kits and the bass drums on both of them sounded HUGE! The toms had a nice amount of attack with plenty of bottom end. The snare was crisp and fit well with the rest of the kit. In other words, there wasn't anything in terms of sound that made me dislike them, especially considering the price. Plus you get some nice hardware to boot.

Does the Masters sound better? Not necessarily. It's all subjective really becuase you can make almost any drum sound nice given that it is made well and is fitted with quality heads. Being able to tune is also a big help. If you factor in things like the hoops or the mounting system then you're really starting to split hairs, because most people (by this I mean non-musicians) aren't going to be able to hear a kit and tell you what type of wood or mounting system it has. It really all comes down to drum size, room size, the bearing edges (they must be flat and true) heads, tuning, and in some case microphones and mix levels.

Finish wise, I will say there is a noticeable difference in the lacquers but only if you really look closely. The Masters uses something like 30 steps of sanding, staining, and lacquer to get the finish smooth and flawless. I believe the Vision uses a UV curing process similar to what the Exports have been using. It's cheaper, faster, and yeilds fairly similar results. When you look really close you can see a slight (very slight) ripple effect in the high gloss. This is also something that most people will never notice. Would it stop me from buying them? No.

Sorry if I went too in-depth but the bottom line is that the Vision is a great sounding kit and has lots of cool features that blurs the line between semi-pro and pro kits. I hope this helps.

P.S. New Vision colors are being released at Winter NAMM 2008 and should be in-stock around spring time.

[sean_thao]

If you're asking if there's a difference in sound...absolutely. One is 6 ply 100% birch with die cast hoops and single ply Remo heads. The other is 6 to 8 plys birch/basswood with flanged hoops and Pearl's 2 ply heads. But is the Vision lacking in terms of sound quality? I wouldn't say so.

I've played 2 Vision kits and the bass drums on both of them sounded HUGE! The toms had a nice amount of attack with plenty of bottom end. The snare was crisp and fit well with the rest of the kit. In other words, there wasn't anything in terms of sound that made me dislike them, especially considering the price. Plus you get some nice hardware to boot.

Does the Masters sound better? Not necessarily. It's all subjective really becuase you can make almost any drum sound nice given that it is made well and is fitted with quality heads. Being able to tune is also a big help. If you factor in things like the hoops or the mounting system then you're really starting to split hairs, because most people (by this I mean non-musicians) aren't going to be able to hear a kit and tell you what type of wood or mounting system it has. It really all comes down to drum size, room size, the bearing edges (they must be flat and true) heads, tuning, and in some case microphones and mix levels.

Finish wise, I will say there is a noticeable difference in the lacquers but only if you really look closely. The Masters uses something like 30 steps of sanding, staining, and lacquer to get the finish smooth and flawless. I believe the Vision uses a UV curing process similar to what the Exports have been using. It's cheaper, faster, and yeilds fairly similar results. When you look really close you can see a slight (very slight) ripple effect in the high gloss. This is also something that most people will never notice. Would it stop me from buying them? No.

Sorry if I went too in-depth but the bottom line is that the Vision is a great sounding kit and has lots of cool features that blurs the line between semi-pro and pro kits. I hope this helps.

P.S. New Vision colors are being released at Winter NAMM 2008 and should be in-stock around spring time.

thanks alot...it really helped me....now i think im going to purchase a Vision set..maybe in Ruby Fade...or wait till new colors...thanks..

[Strat-Master]

glass glitter!

[VisionVLX]

Please Pearl...the deep blue sparkle burst and/or the violet fade and I will never cheat on you with Sonor ever again.. :o

[VisionVLX]

Plus I carry the VisionVLX tag, I have to carry some weight right? haha :P

[amateur drummer]

gimme some black to brown fade or burst! that would be awesome!

[AL PERCIVAL]

I've made mention in a couple other threads without spoiling or giving it away, but we have some absolutely new drop dead gorgeous finishes coming in 2008 for Vision among other things. Vision in its second year is going to be amazing in more ways than one. Trust me. NAMM is just 2 short months away; please hang in their with us, you will not be sorry! :D

[VisionVLX]

Can you tell us how many new finishes there are?

Sorry I can't wait :)

[shanmag]

This will be the slowest 2 months ever!!

[AL PERCIVAL]

Can you tell us how many new finishes there are?

Sorry I can't wait :)

I saw two of the new finishes in September which were spectacular. I forget if it is 2 or 3 for the Vision series.

[VisionVLX]

Sexy :D

[cezegg]

I saw two of the new finishes in September which were spectacular. I forget if it is 2 or 3 for the Vision series.
hint as to what they are!?

i think i might be getting one of them soon, but i want to know wether or not i should wait to get it or not. haha

[AL PERCIVAL]

hint as to what they are!?

i think i might be getting one of them soon, but i want to know wether or not i should wait to get it or not. haha

I'll give you a hint on Jan 17th at 8:59am PST just before the NAMM doors open... :D ;)

I saw one of the new MCX lacquer finishes from a photo shoot print yesterday from PMI Taiwan and that one was pretty exciting also. It was a two-tone, very eye catching that's all I will say. :p

[kayaun]

I'll give you a hint on Jan 17th at 8:59am PST just before the NAMM doors open... :D ;)
I'll be waiting, AL. Seriously. Because over here we get information later than you guys do. You better keep your word. :D

[kayaun]

If you're asking if there's a difference in sound...absolutely. One is 6 ply 100% birch with die cast hoops and single ply Remo heads. The other is 6 to 8 plys birch/basswood with flanged hoops and Pearl's 2 ply heads. But is the Vision lacking in terms of sound quality? I wouldn't say so.

I've played 2 Vision kits and the bass drums on both of them sounded HUGE! The toms had a nice amount of attack with plenty of bottom end. The snare was crisp and fit well with the rest of the kit. In other words, there wasn't anything in terms of sound that made me dislike them, especially considering the price. Plus you get some nice hardware to boot.

Does the Masters sound better? Not necessarily. It's all subjective really becuase you can make almost any drum sound nice given that it is made well and is fitted with quality heads. Being able to tune is also a big help. If you factor in things like the hoops or the mounting system then you're really starting to split hairs, because most people (by this I mean non-musicians) aren't going to be able to hear a kit and tell you what type of wood or mounting system it has. It really all comes down to drum size, room size, the bearing edges (they must be flat and true) heads, tuning, and in some case microphones and mix levels.

Finish wise, I will say there is a noticeable difference in the lacquers but only if you really look closely. The Masters uses something like 30 steps of sanding, staining, and lacquer to get the finish smooth and flawless. I believe the Vision uses a UV curing process similar to what the Exports have been using. It's cheaper, faster, and yeilds fairly similar results. When you look really close you can see a slight (very slight) ripple effect in the high gloss. This is also something that most people will never notice. Would it stop me from buying them? No.

Sorry if I went too in-depth but the bottom line is that the Vision is a great sounding kit and has lots of cool features that blurs the line between semi-pro and pro kits. I hope this helps.

P.S. New Vision colors are being released at Winter NAMM 2008 and should be in-stock around spring time.
Good post! I'd give rep if I could.

[JonnyOz]

Purple Craze? PLEASE!

[kayaun]

^On a Visions? That would be awesome. But unlikely... :(

[JonnyOz]

^On a Visions? That would be awesome. But unlikely... :(

I know, but one can hope ;) who knows maybe with enough persuasion it may happen...

PLEASE!!!!!

[kayaun]

^Good point. Like the BBC-1. ;) Dream come true. :D

[skywalker2]

goodness i can't wait till namm.

whats up ironcobra? haven't been here in awhile so its good to be home. ;)

[amateur drummer]

I'll give you a hint on Jan 17th at 8:59am PST just before the NAMM doors open... :D ;)

I saw one of the new MCX lacquer finishes from a photo shoot print yesterday from PMI Taiwan and that one was pretty exciting also. It was a two-tone, very eye catching that's all I will say. :p


:( this is unfair al, you get to know all the finishes before we do.

I still have to wait over a month and you already know. :(

[rushofblood2112]

Wow...Im really excited to see whats to come!!!!!

[everyknight]

I need a new excuse to buy another VISIONS! "but...but.... it didn't come out in that color when I bought mine!"

[InSight]

How about sparkle and fade example: Diamond Burst. then everybodys happy LOL

[RaZmEiSteR]

Prizm Purple would be nice! :D
Just like the Export EXR had.. :(

[i love rock music]

Prizm Purple would be nice! :D
Just like the Export EXR had.. :(

lol your gonna have to wait another year now

concord fade vbx and wine red vmx rock!

[Akahito]

...Amber mist... :(

[TravisDean08]

Prizm Purple would be nice! :D
Just like the Export EXR had.. :(

YEA! Bring back the prizm purple!!! (Seriously!)

[shanmag]

So... next years NAMM, new colours? :eek: :D

[InSight]

i would love the pearl VMX in natural maple with satin hardware although id be happy with chrome but satin mmmmm dreamy.

[DW-DRUMS1954]

Sparkle finishes

[appliedproto]

The Clear Birch looks great on the VBX....now if you just has Clear Maple for the VMXs....

[kayaun]

YEA! Bring back the prizm purple!!! (Seriously!)
Yes.

[cezegg]

pure gold wraps!
:p