Die cast or superhoop [Archive] - Pearl Drummers Forum

TLD

08-23-2002, 12:47 AM

I couldn't choose. I have heard so much hype about die-cast on snares, but my honest opinion is that the more piercing, ringing, cracking rimshots come from superhoops. The main difference I hear in rimshots is:
DieCast: Loudest, Choked (Not as much sustain)
Superhoop: Not as loud, but higher pitched and more ringy.

Lost At... SRX

08-23-2002, 05:22 AM

I voted for SuperHoops because those are what I have on my SRX kit. I've heard comments about Die Cast making drums (particularly snares) sound flat and dull, and that the feel and response when playing them is to hard, like that there's no give from the head on impact. I like SuperHoops. Either will probably sound good with the right heads, but if I were ordering a Masterworks kit, It'd be with SuperHoops.

DED

08-23-2002, 06:52 AM

Superhoops . . .die cast hoops came on my last BRX kit and I swapped them out for Superhoops right away.

Carl Peterson

08-23-2002, 07:24 AM

Donn is a weirdo,,dont listen to him...:D

Just kidding..we know each other..

I have cast hoops on all my MW kits..I really like the way they look and feel..The sound is very focused.Im always miked,and they explode when I smack them.

I am a fan of SH II also..They sound awesome on my 4 ply Masters kit..They sustain so nicely.

SOOOOOOOOOOOO,I like both..Dont you hate guys like me in these poll type questions??? :rolleyes:

DED

08-23-2002, 09:00 AM

Weirdo! Why I oughta. . .to the moon, Alice!!

But Carl hit on the main reason I like Superhoops. . .I love the open sound and the sustain.

I tend to tune my kit pretty low and I want more whump than attack. When I smack my toms I want it to sound like
Holyfield smacking Tyson in the guts.

Ahhhhh. . .choices!

Brk

08-23-2002, 09:01 AM

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !! :D CARL !

Carl Peterson

08-23-2002, 09:03 AM

Brk,,
Didnt I see you on "Americas Most Wanted"?

Do you get that show?:cool:

Brk

08-23-2002, 09:05 AM

Nice Pic isn't it ?

No I don't no "AMW" Show. Tell about...

Carl Peterson

08-23-2002, 09:14 AM

It shows high profile wanted criminals..I was just joking man..nice shot..Way better than mine..

Brk

08-23-2002, 09:26 AM

Yeah,
on Your left side is somethin' better ... :cool:

Carl Peterson

08-23-2002, 09:28 AM

That head sounds way better when you hit it versus that bald one...:(

drumfool

08-23-2002, 09:44 AM

so, i meant to vote for die cast, but I somehow hit superhoop... come on, they're so close together. Anyway, I prefer the diecast for their focused sound, especially on snares.

Brk

08-23-2002, 09:47 AM

Ha ha ha,

my is also bold and I try to make a good sold.

Carl let's go serious ok ?

drumfool

08-23-2002, 09:47 AM

is it possible to buy/order two 13" Pearl Masters style DieCast rims in satin chrome for a snare drum?

Carl Peterson

08-23-2002, 10:03 AM

Yes..Theres none in stk at the moment..They're so new...I don't know PN for them yet..

drumfool

08-23-2002, 10:07 AM

when you find out and/or they're in stock, could you let me know? I'm definitely going to order them for my Y***** Weckl snare. The bottom snare rim has a slit in it for the string on the snares to go through, right?

Carl Peterson

08-23-2002, 11:31 AM

Lets hope so!! Yeah...:p

drumfool

08-23-2002, 12:14 PM

cool, how much do will the pair of them list for?

Carl Peterson

08-23-2002, 12:21 PM

Well,theres not a PN associated with them yet,so I dont know..I will shortly though..Gimme a couple of weeks..

drumfool

08-23-2002, 12:32 PM

no problem, take your time :)
thanks a bunch.

conn007

08-27-2002, 04:14 PM

Whoa.... let me get this streight... can I order hoops for a snare drum in any color (black, gold, etc.)?????

Carl Peterson

08-29-2002, 12:23 PM

Black,gold,chrome or silver satin..

Stu

09-10-2002, 09:33 AM

"Black,gold,chrome or silver satin.."

Die cast only or any hoops?

Carl Peterson

09-10-2002, 09:48 AM

Yes..DC or SH on Masterworks..

GMSDrummer

09-23-2002, 05:10 AM

i also like diecast more because they dont go out of tune like supers do. i have to put lug locks on my ultracast so that the tension rods dont go loose. but i really like that way the ultracast sounds, so it might be sounding like that because of the supers. if so, then i really like them.

PureRockFury

09-29-2002, 05:19 PM

I prefer Die Cast hoops on the batter side of my snares and SuperHoop II's on the snare side. You get the openess of the 2.3mm steel hoop and the crack of a Die Cast hoop in one snare. It's a great combo I suggest people to try it out!

PADman

10-20-2002, 09:12 AM

ac_yammi, I use a SuperHoop II for batter and the stock MasterCast on the snare side of my SensiTone Classic II brass. Didn't we go to different schools together? :p

Any other dyslexic snare owners out there? :eek:

Rafiki8821

10-20-2002, 11:32 AM

GMSDRUMMER. what are lug locks. i assume that they keep the lugs from going out of tune. what do they look like? where can you get them? who makes them? thanks

PureRockFury

10-20-2002, 04:43 PM

Didn't we go to different schools together?

Man that question makes me laugh everytime I see it, great one! :D

Clairvoyant

10-27-2002, 10:32 AM

Putting a Die-Cast hoop on the batter side and a Super-Hoop ll on the snare side of a snare was a combination I had thought to apply to mine, but now I'm sure. You know, I found out Stewart Copeland does the same exact thing on his Tama Signature!... And here I thought I'd been an innovator :(

PureRockFury

10-27-2002, 04:07 PM

Does Tama sell the Stewart Copeland Signature snare like that? Hmm I'll have to check up on that one.

Clairvoyant

10-27-2002, 04:42 PM

That's the way it's displayed in the catalog so I would have to say "yes." However, I should warn you that it's a 1.5mm brass shell with a 5"x14" depth/diameter. He says right out that it was made to cut through the other instruments. The shell and hardware all have a chrome finish, so it's quite a bright drum.

PureRockFury

10-27-2002, 04:53 PM

I have quite a few snare drums in my collection and I don't think I want to add that one.

Clairvoyant

10-28-2002, 09:28 AM

True, neither would I. I do have a question though. I've seen and heard drums that have the 2.3mm Superhoops on both sides and if you don't have a good level of experience they sound quite wild and uncontrolled since there are so many sounds you can pick and choose from. Is that another thing having the Die-cast hoop at the top would take care of, but without completely removing the liveliness?

Carl Peterson

10-28-2002, 09:38 AM

I think the die cast will make the drum more focused and louder,but what the SH on the bottom would do is make the shell "sing" a little longer..

Clairvoyant

10-28-2002, 09:56 AM

That's sounds right to me. On another note though, what type of drum skin would you prefer on the snare side?

PureRockFury

10-28-2002, 10:00 AM

A lot of people like 2.3mm hoops on snares for the open sound they provide. Die Cast hoops do definitely control a lot of the sound, making it either dead and boxy sounding or a nice controlled tone. Providing you know how to tune well you can make a snare with both hoops being 2.3mm sound really good. You can also control any unwanted overtones by using external muffling if absolutely needed. By me putting a Die Cast hoop on the batter side and using a 2.3mm hoop on the snare side I get a nice controlled sound but with some of the openess of 2.3mm hoops.

Die cast hoops also make the batter head feel a bit more stiff compared to a snare with a 2.3mm hoop.

Your findings are very accurate. Snares with both rims being 2.3mm hoops and someone with out much tuning experience can get many overtones and different sounds, which are quite annoying.

If you put die cast hoops on both the batter and the snare side your drum will become more focused and the die cast hoops will remove some of the nasty overtones that come with poor tunings.

If you do what I do put a die cast hoop on the batter side and the 2.3mm on the snare side you get great projection with a nice controlled snare sound. The 2.3mm lets the snare side head stay a bit more open and doesn't dampen it's sound too much.

Drumming is all about experimenting. My grade 9 science teacher said to us the first day of class "We are all scientists from the day we are born. We are always making discoveries whether you know it or not"

Carl Peterson

10-28-2002, 10:03 AM

SA-0114 Remo clear thin..

PureRockFury

10-28-2002, 10:06 AM

If your a Remo fan then a Remo Ambassador Snare Side. If you like Evans like I do then a Evans Hazy 300 would do good. If you want extra sensitivity for lighter stick work i.e. brushes then a Remo Diplomat Snare Side or a Evans Hazy 200 would be good for that.

Carl Peterson

10-28-2002, 10:13 AM

On the snare side??? you mean batter dont you?

Clairvoyant

10-28-2002, 10:19 AM

Thanks for the in-put. Now I guess I'll work on figuring the size of the drum. :D

PureRockFury

10-28-2002, 10:28 AM

Carl I was giving him snare side suggestions.

JEFFa.k.a.ANIMAL

11-03-2002, 08:18 PM

here's a good hoop question. why does the SH II have it's name etched into the hoop which looks very classy, while the mastercast hoop, which is supposed to be an upgrade, has what looks like a "cheap looking" sticker placed on it?

PADman

11-04-2002, 06:53 AM

JEFF, I'm in total agreement about 'stickers'. If there's one on my drums or hardware, it comes off immediately! As for the engraved hoop issue, if the "T" company can do it on die-casts, why can't Pearl?

Carl Peterson

11-04-2002, 09:17 AM

Our Super hoops are engraved..Die cast are left alone..

Clairvoyant

11-04-2002, 08:56 PM

Do those stickers come off easily or do they leave a sticky residue? I noticed that too.

-Clairvoyant-

PADman

11-04-2002, 09:53 PM

Clairv, the sticky residue comes off easy with a product called "Goo Gone". The black band stickers on Pearl stands is the hardest to remove without tearing. I have to give Pearl credit though for including a drum key in every box if the product inside requires one.

Carl Peterson

11-06-2002, 07:51 AM

I pulled them off with a hair dryer..Rubbed some GOOF OFF,and BOOM,,,gone.

wjRich_NDX

11-09-2002, 05:37 PM

im a big fan of die-cast, i personally think they keep in tune better,look better,and if you know how to properly tune you can get any sound you want with any hoop,as far as rim-shots go nothing mathces die-cast

"I'm the hanging tree,swaying in the breeze"

Henster3000

11-13-2002, 09:15 AM

I've heard superhoops screw your set up

Carl Peterson

11-13-2002, 09:25 AM

Well whover told you that is wrong...

Rory444

12-18-2002, 05:53 AM

are you able tp just buy one diecast hoop for a 14 elx snare for the batter side? and also what sorta difference would it make to an elx wooden snare?

Jamie

12-21-2002, 11:47 AM

ignore henster3000, he randomly posts odd comments on this forum

Nicko McBrain

12-24-2002, 04:13 AM

I'm confused now :confused: : is there any difference between Master Cast hoops, and Die Cast, or is it the same thing ? If they are diferent, which ones come with Master Series ?

Carl Peterson

01-02-2003, 07:27 AM

Mastercast is what Pearl calls their diecast hoops..They come standard on Masters series kits....;)

Stoovey

07-05-2004, 02:24 PM

Okay, I don't have a MW kit, but have used diecast and Superhoops. I am getting Superhoops on my custom kit next tax season (spring 2005). Diecast hoops tend to choke the overall sound, plus I never really got used to the feel of the rim on my snare.

JEFFa.k.a.ANIMAL

07-05-2004, 03:30 PM

Rory444,
yes you can purchase a 14" 8 hole die cast hoop for your snare. You may not notice a huge difference in sound, maybe a bit more focused sound and a little less ring with honking good rimshots.

philee

07-15-2004, 10:19 AM

Well I'm going to get a new kit soon. It's low-grade mahogany and birch but suprisingly enough it comes with die-cast hoops. I think I'll be switching those for Superhoops.

vanillaCOKE2k2

07-15-2004, 12:17 PM

just stick with the superhoops.

chilipeppermaniac

07-30-2004, 10:12 AM

ellioman

08-02-2004, 10:20 AM

I was wondering if I should order Superhoops for my toms...
I have Die Cast on ´em now but I´m always interested in trying new things...

Do you think it´s worth trying?

opus138

08-02-2004, 10:30 AM

I was wondering if I should order Superhoops for my toms...
I have Die Cast on ´em now but I´m always interested in trying new things...

Do you think it´s worth trying?

Anything is worth trying ... if you have the coin ;)

Your toms are 10 ply, right? I wonder if you need the die cast hoops to help contol those bad boys a bit.

ellioman

08-02-2004, 10:43 AM

the Toms are 8 ply...

you might be right but what the hell, you never know unless you try it ... :D

Rhum1

08-02-2004, 11:39 AM

die cast on batter side , superhoop on the resonant side...
very good rhimshots , keep well the tuning in the time , less "ring" but i use 2moongels damping pads to obtain no ring at all(steel shell !) , the die cast hoop seems to provide more sensitivity , but it's steel good with it...
i'm very happy with this snare !

:rolleyes: fr.audiofanzine.com/img/membres/normal/1/3/13491.jpg (http://fr.audiofanzine.com/img/membres/normal/1/3/13491.jpg)

SpugIsGod

08-08-2004, 12:43 AM

Mastercast.

pearldrummerkid

08-11-2004, 06:33 PM

I have a hoop question for Carl that can add to some confusion here. Is it possible to get superhoops with no engraving? My 1997 Limited Edition Silver Sparkle MMX's came with Superhoops that had no engraving and now my 16x14 is in need of a pair of these. I had to swap the Superhoops off that drum to sell another 16 inch tom that the guy did not want Cast hoops on. I'd like to get some more unengraved Superhoops to match the rest of my kit if that is possible.

Thanks

PS. I also have 2 kits that have what I believe are 2 mm Stainless Steel Hoops. Is that the correct specs for the Pearl Stainless ones?

pearl stainless hoops like what come on exports and that are 1.6mm i think.

i prefer the open sound of superhoops but i also had that same idea about diecast batter/superhoop reso on the snare a while ago.
im getting a 13x3 brass piccolo which i might chuck a die-cast on top

Clairvoyant

08-12-2004, 11:11 AM

When I get my Masterworks I'll go with Superhoops. In my opinion (apart from the sound) Die-Cast are just too bulky. When you look at a drum with Superhoops they're just fine, but drums with Die-Cast hoops seem to (again, in my opinion) draw a lot of attention to themselves.

I like to have the most (direct) control possible over my drums too. If there is going to be any sound alteration in attack, sustain, or otherwise it will be through the heads, tuning, and the drum material itself, not because of the way the hoops are shaped.

Also, you can't beat those nicely etched -Superhoop- labels in their side. :)

-James