Pearl Vision VLX vs Sonor Force 2007

[Freaze]

well people what do you think about this 2 sets? what its the best?

[The Dorian]

Rofl...

Let the war begin!!!

[skywalker2]

i think both kits have outstanding features; a lot of people swear by sonors hardware and build quality...and then there is pearls reliabilty and consistency. They probably sound similar, but the visions has thicker floor toms and basses...and i prefer the snare to the sonor. BUt as of right now, i think i like the finishes on the sonor a tiny itsy bitsy bit better. But the 900 series hardware has no peers aside from tama's roadpro.

[The Dorian]

skywalker pretty much summed it up

[Freaze]

one thing that i forgot...

please don't compare in the hardware part because ill be using a pearl 1000 hw in both

[eyewtkas]

one thing that i forgot...

please don't compare in the hardware part because ill be using a pearl 1000 hw in both

Considering you have just taken away the one real advantage the Pearl has over the Sonor, I would say the choice is fairly simple.

[-Glenn-]

omg Pearl Vision WHAT A JOKE! There the biggest heaps mate. Your comparing a 100% birch 2007 to a bass wood which is ply wood basiclly and birch.

100% Birch, Better hardware, better sound, cross laminated shells, better finishes, Here in aus i think there vision in about 2 grand and the sonor is like 1400. Take your pick.

I cant understand why people go and buy exports and not 3007 Sonors. North american maple compared to japanese maple. North American maple grows slower and the grain of the wood grips together there for Sonor can cut the bearing edges charp without them chipping and falling apart. Most of Pearls bearing edges are fairly round because they cant go any sharper.

Some of you kids are thick as bricks. You just go for Pearl because they put all there money on advertising. Its in your face thats the only reason exports sell so well.

Pearl Masters Kits are amazing but anything below it is junk.

Go play a vision and then a 2007. Its comparing a rusted out old bomb car to a hot rod.

[-Glenn-]

and then there is pearls reliabilty and consistency. They probably sound similar, but the visions has thicker floor toms and basses...

Similar sound? 100% birch to bass wood and birch. HEELLLOOO?. Thicker toms? sure but they are not 100% birch there birch with ply wood throwen in between the plys to make it cheaper.

Sonor Force kits are the best semi pro kits on the market.

[44Ronin]

I agree with you glenn , but prepare to be lynched by the mob

[-Glenn-]

oh i know your rep sucks like mine but thats because we tell the truth and people dont like to hear it

[Freaze]

thanks to all for the comments... and between sonor and pacific cxr?

[The Dorian]

omg Pearl Vision WHAT A JOKE! There the biggest heaps mate. Your comparing a 100% birch 2007 to a bass wood which is ply wood basiclly and birch.

You're talking to us about marketing schemes and such, yet you're letting a few plys of basswood be the deciding factor?


100% Birch, Better hardware, better sound, cross laminated shells, better finishes,


Again, 100% birch on paper is the deciding factor? Better hardware is a joke...the 900 blows it out of the water. better sound is highly argueable. just because basswood is a CHEAPER would doesn't automatically make it worse. Basswood can actually enhance the low end, especially in the floor toms and kicks. I highly doubt many people would even be able to tell the difference between a 100% birch shell and a birch/basswood mix if they couldn't see the drums. They at least wouldn't know which is which. And the 2007 does have better finishes because the Vision just came out...more finishes have yet to come.

[Freaze]

Again, 100% birch on paper is the deciding factor? Better hardware is a joke...the 900 blows it out of the water. better sound is highly argueable.

Ill not be using the hw of both kits so... don't use that like a reason...

[The Dorian]

Ill not be using the hw of both kits so... don't use that like a reason...

Sorry, I'm just defending the Vision in overall features.

My advice to you, is go play each kit. If the 100% birch is enough of a difference to you, go with the 2007. But, you'll be paying more. And you probably won't even notice a difference in sound anyhow...

[skywalker2]

oh i know your rep sucks like mine but thats because we tell the truth and people dont like to hear it


your rep sucking has nothing to do with this thread, nor your 'telling' the truth.

First of all, lets analyze your argument of 'sonors 100% birch' vs the visions birch blend.


Both kits cost roughly the same. So how is it that sonor gets away with a total birch shell and pearl stuck with a mix?

the answer is simple.

its not birch of an amazing quality.

You REALLY think this is the same scandanavian birch sonor uses in its high end kits? its not. Plain and simple. If it was, do you think it would be as cheap as it is? no. Sure you can downgrade finishes and hardware, but even then, it would still be more expensive than it is now.

BUT...that in NO way makes the sonor 2007 a bad kit. NOT by a longshot. But in the same vein, it doesnt make the shell compositon on the visons bad either. YOU may just PREFER the sound of the sonors; which is, again, in no way light years ahead with regards to sound.

Thicher floor toms and bass? a proven way to have more punch and low end. Again, maybe not to everyones taste; but a different sound is not a bad one.


You asked why people bought exports instead of 3007's...i'm assuming you are talking about the ecx maple export right? Because the other lines NEVER competed against the likes of kits like the 3007; which if that were the case the reason kids buy the pearl export is because its a decent kit that is cost effective.


NOW, if you WERE in fact talking about the maple exports, the reason is simple; the same bulletproof qualites evident in the regular export line is still here, but with a much better wood. Pearl DOES NOT use asian maple; the maple used in the masters line all the way down to the export maples is canadian maple; the lower end kits get the not-so-nice woodgrains as the higher end kits, but the quality of the shell is still very high. Get your facts straight before you shoot your mouth off.

You are entitled to your opinion, and i'm in no way telling you that you can't think that the sonor 2007 is better than the visons, but give VALID points for it, or at least don't be so condescending with your opinion; because its just that, YOUR opinion.

[skywalker2]

Ill not be using the hw of both kits so... don't use that like a reason...


thats fine man; the shell hardware of the visions is top notch, def better than the exports of old, and the lugs sport brass inserts like those found on the reference series and on the masters.


You mentioned the pacific as a choice too, i used to own one, and the sound was decent (it was an fxr birch) but the hardware itself, while not NEARLY as bad as it used to be(i'm talking shell hardware, but their stands/pedals are not too impresive either), but its not up to par with sonor or pearl's stuff.

[-Glenn-]

yeh i am going to let basswood effect my point because whats better 100% birch or birch and basswood simple really!

[The Dorian]

yeh i am going to let basswood effect my point because whats better 100% birch or birch and basswood simple really!

If 100% birch on paper is enough to be the deciding factor, then go for it. I just think it's odd how the same people that talk about "us" being effected by marketing schemes are in fact the people that will automatically choose a 100% birch kit over a birch/basswood combo just because of that..."100% birch". That's a marketing scheme in itself if you ask me. Makes everyone believe that a 100% birch kit is automatically 10 times better than a kit with a cheaper wood in it. Until you take an unidentified Vision tom, 2007 tom, and Tama Superstar tom (and anything else at this level), play them with the same heads and tuning and tell me which is which, stop talking about the oh so huge difference in them.

The fact is, they all sound very similar. There may be some slight differences but I really don't think you can tell me that one sounds "better" than the other. The only exception would be...well what do you know, the Visions floor toms and kick drums!

[Freaze]

My advice to you, is go play each kit. If the 100% birch is enough of a difference to you, go with the 2007. But, you'll be paying more. And you probably won't even notice a difference in sound anyhow...

Yeah men it is what i going to do... the thing its i live in mexico and the closer texas city only counts with a guitar center where the sonor 2007 its not availible, so i have to search some other store that have them in sale... :(

And thanks to all for your replys... all are very interesting and served me very well to make a opinion, but i have to play each kit to decide...

[skywalker2]

yeh i am going to let basswood effect my point because whats better 100% birch or birch and basswood simple really!


just ok quality 100% birch, versus good quality birch w/basswood=


the same thing, for different people.


your are no truth teller glenn. you are a baby.

[Freaze]

hey people don't fight... if you have diferrent opinions respect them...

[robby2161]

yeh i am going to let basswood effect my point because whats better 100% birch or birch and basswood simple really!

It really isn't so black and white, you need to take into consideration where the wood is coming from, the type of wood it is, and how the drums are made. There are many more factors than just the wood type on a spec. sheet. Drums are not so simple, there are just so many factors. Be more open minded.

[skywalker2]

It really isn't so black and white, you need to take into consideration where the wood is coming from, the type of wood it is, and how the drums are made. There are many more factors than just the wood type on a spec. sheet. Drums are not so simple, there are just so many factors. Be more open minded.


exaclty; posts like his insinuate he ONLY goes by what is on a spec sheet; something that has NOTHING to do with how it actually sounds.

[skywalker2]

hey people don't fight... if you have diferrent opinions respect them...


there is nothing wrong with having a different opinion; as long as its a valid one and not childish like his. :)


WE are trying to help you; his posts have been hardly helpful. :rolleyes:

[44Ronin]

Vision is pearls "catch-up-before-we-get-left-behind-in-the-market" kit. About 4 years late to boot

[skywalker2]

Vision is pearls "catch-up-before-we-get-left-behind-in-the-market" kit. About 4 years late to boot



well, considering how many people have STILL kept buying exports, i don't see how they were in jeoprady of being left behind. Maybe on the spec sheet, but not in sales.


I'm trying to think back four years ago...the superstars were not out, so pearls competition from tama was still offering basswood and 1.6mm hoops...stage customs have been the same for forever....mapex, geez was m birch even around then?...


4 years late? hardly, maybe slightly late, but not four years.

[44Ronin]

well, considering how many people have STILL kept buying exports, i don't see how they were in jeoprady of being left behind. Maybe on the spec sheet, but not in sales.


Didn't you hear about pearls recent corporate restructure? Oh wait thats right...you only look at and respond to marketing :rolleyes:


I'm trying to think back four years ago...the superstars were not out, so pearls competition from tama was still offering basswood and 1.6mm hoops...stage customs have been the same for forever....mapex, geez was m birch even around then?...

4 years late? hardly, maybe slightly late, but not four years.

2003
Erm......Pacific and Gretsch , both doing full birch kits..

Pacific doing full maple kits , mapex doing full maple kits...

And sonor 2003 kits were made...guess what?...... of Birch and Basswood!

Selective memory?

[The Dorian]

Vision is pearls "catch-up-before-we-get-left-behind-in-the-market" kit. About 4 years late to boot

WHAT?! Are you serious?!?! Pearl making a kit to compete with other companies?!?!?! How dare they!!! No drum company should EVER make anything new and better than what they have! What a bad move by Pearl...why would anyone want to make an affordable kit better than Exports? How disappointing...

[44Ronin]

WHAT?! Are you serious?!?! Pearl making a kit to compete with other companies?!?!?! How dare they!!! No drum company should EVER make anything new and better than what they have! What a bad move by Pearl...why would anyone want to make an affordable kit better than Exports? How disappointing...

The point was that pearl sat on its rear side doing nothing for four years. Now its playing catch up.

[skywalker2]

Didn't you hear about pearls recent corporate restructure? Oh wait thats right...you only look at and respond to marketing :rolleyes:



2003
Erm......Pacific and Gretsch , both doing full birch kits..

Pacific doing full maple kits , mapex doing full maple kits...

And sonor 2003 kits were made...guess what?...... of Birch and Basswood!

Selective memory?


ronin if i'm a sucker for marketing than so are you; if you want to belive that mapex's and pacifics kits are great quality birch or maple, you are totally wrong. There is more asian maple in pro m kits even to this day, and i OWNED a 2006 pacific birch kit; the wood feel and grain and even color was almost the same as the poplar used in exports.


lets not EVEN get into the hardware some of those kits used and still use.(with the exeption of sonor.)


marketing? i can make my own decisions thanks.

[skywalker2]

The point was that pearl sat on its rear side doing nothing for four years. Now its playing catch up.


and even if this is the case, wouldn't it make more sense to hassle pearl before, and not now, when they are 'finally' being competative?

[robby2161]

The point was that pearl sat on its rear side doing nothing for four years. Now its playing catch up.

They were busy creating the References :p

[44Ronin]

ronin if i'm a sucker for marketing than so are you;



if you want to belive that mapex's and pacifics kits are great quality birch or maple, you are totally wrong.

Where did I mention or state this opinion that they were top shelf woods? Your arguement is so weak you have to invent conflicting opinions that simply don't exist in a pathetic attempt to slander me , instead of actually responding to my actual points.

Points of which are so strong you simply cannot refute them.


There is more asian maple in pro m kits even to this day, and i OWNED a 2006 pacific birch kit; the wood feel and grain and even color was almost the same as the poplar used in exports.


The catalina birch kits are light years ahead of pooplar exports. The grain is lovely and the wood smells devine....how do I know? I've worked in a store and used , played several of them.

WHICH pacific birch kit DID you own?. There are several levels of pacific birch quality in the line. Once again , you are all conjecture....a small arguement that you've seen one kit from one maker whos wood appears to look like pooplar. What a weak and pathetic arguement. Basing every other drum makers intermediate drum (other than pearls) off one make and model of pacific......? hmmmmmmm.......weak.

The visions are just matching the wood quality levels of these intermediate kits......but with some cheap basswood thrown in the mix to lower production costs...

[Damo]

There is more asian maple in pro m kits even to this day
Just to clarify here - Mapex ProM kits use North American maple.

[skywalker2]

Where did I mention or state this opinion that they were top shelf woods? Your arguement is so weak you have to invent conflicting opinions that simply don't exist in a pathetic attempt to slander me , instead of actually responding to my actual points.

Points of which are so strong you simply cannot refute them.



The catalina birch kits are light years ahead of pooplar exports. The grain is lovely and the wood smells devine....how do I know? I've worked in a store and used , played several of them.

WHICH pacific birch kit DID you own?. There are several levels of pacific birch quality in the line. Once again , you are all conjecture....a small arguement that you've seen one kit from one maker whos wood appears to look like pooplar. What a weak and pathetic arguement. Basing every other drum makers intermediate drum (other than pearls) off one make and model of pacific......? hmmmmmmm.......weak.

The visions are just matching the wood quality levels of these intermediate kits......but with some cheap basswood thrown in the mix to lower production costs...


first off, i've totally been responding to your posts...i mentioned the quality of woods in those kits because apparently to you, the visions is still inferior and these kits seem to be SOO much better. I'm not inventing conflicting opinions....if you cant keep up with me, thats not my problem...but you made numerous references to the 'cheap' basswood in the visions...yet none of these other kits seem to be getting that harsh treatment. You have it out for pearl. We get it.


the marketing comment? well, apparently you belive the superiority of 'full maple' or 'full birch' kits...when in reality, the audible difference is miniscule at best, since none of the kits in this price range that the visions compete with is offering top quality birch or maple...at least with not being quite a bit more expensive.


i like the catalina birch, and yeah i agree with their superiority over the wood used in exports...but, uh...i cant remember ever even mentioning or hating on the catalina birch(whos inventing conflicting opinons that didnt exist now? besides slander is spoken, i'm just typing man. ;) )


The pacific kit that i own or owned i should say since i sold it to a good friend i still see often, was an fxr. It wasnt the base fs kit, it was a four piece ruby red laquer kit with a virgin bass and 10 lugs on the bass drum. They sounded really good actually, but the hardware was lacking in quality and was NOT superior even to the shell hardware found on an export. It did have an ok wood grain, but i bought the kit mostly because i got a good deal on a shell pack and i already had the hardware. Pacific has come a long way, but i belive that the fx series has been upgraded a little, but at that time the same grade of birch was being used...it was the finishes and wether the kit included hardware or not that determined the price. The exception being some of the exotic birch kits they have now but I look at that as more of a poor mans dw....and not including it in my statements with regards to the quality of birch kits by pacific that are more commonly looked at in this price range.


at any rate, how is this weak? i've played m birch's, the pacific's, tama superstars, and sonors, so my exprience DOES count when discussing each one of the kits; just because i didn't OWN all of them does not mean i can make an educated comment on them. If you want to assume that i'm basing my opinions on SOLEY having owned a pacific kit, thats just....hmmmmmmm....


WEAK.


We all know what the visions is matching, and sure the basswood does make it cheaper...but then again a 100% birch shell isn't going to be sold at the visions price range is it? For none of these other kits are using the finest quality birch in their sets, and if they are its being mixed in with a 'lesser' wood as well...



yawn. anything else?

[skywalker2]

Just to clarify here - Mapex ProM kits use North American maple.


cant remember where i read that they were...but thanks for the clarification. :)

[44Ronin]

first off, i've totally been responding to your posts...i mentioned the quality of woods in those kits because apparently to you, the visions is still inferior and these kits seem to be SOO much better.

I never said visions were inferior........learn some basic comprehension. Once again you are FABRICATING stuff.


I'm not inventing conflicting opinions....if you cant keep up with me, thats not my problem...but you made numerous references to the 'cheap' basswood in the visions...yet none of these other kits seem to be getting that harsh treatment. You have it out for pearl. We get it.

Yes you are , you just did invent an opinion for me. The only kit using basswood right now is the superstars , and I think the forum knows too well of my disapproval of the sound of them.


the marketing comment? well, apparently you belive the superiority of 'full maple' or 'full birch' kits...when in reality, the audible difference is miniscule at best,

I guess for such an astute person as yourself the difference between minuscule and miniscule is minuscule?


i like the catalina birch, and yeah i agree with their superiority over the wood used in exports...but, uh...i cant remember ever even mentioning or hating on the catalina birch(whos inventing conflicting opinons that didnt exist now? besides slander is spoken, i'm just typing man. ;) )


Once again you are in fantasy land on the magic train ride of fabricating my own opinions for me ! I was giving you an example of a kit that was around in 2003 and made of birch shells , and with a wood that didn't look like poplar and was priced in the export range , to prove the point that exports were overpriced in the market for what you get.


The pacific kit that i own or owned i should say since i sold it to a good friend i still see often, was an fxr. It wasnt the base fs kit, it was a four piece ruby red laquer kit with a virgin bass and 10 lugs on the bass drum. They sounded really good actually, but the hardware was lacking in quality and was NOT superior even to the shell hardware found on an export. It did have an ok wood grain, but i bought the kit mostly because i got a good deal on a shell pack and i already had the hardware. Pacific has come a long way, but i belive that the fx series has been upgraded a little, but at that time the same grade of birch was being used...it was the finishes and wether the kit included hardware or not that determined the price. The exception being some of the exotic birch kits they have now but I look at that as more of a poor mans dw....and not including it in my statements with regards to the quality of birch kits by pacific that are more commonly looked at in this price range.




at any rate, how is this weak? i've played m birch's, the pacific's, tama superstars, and sonors, so my exprience DOES count when discussing each one of the kits; just because i didn't OWN all of them does not mean i can make an educated comment on them. If you want to assume that i'm basing my opinions on SOLEY having owned a pacific kit, thats just....hmmmmmmm....


*experience
*I
*solely

Educated.......? The only thing you have been educated in , is argueing with logic via the use of semantics.




We all know what the visions is matching, and sure the basswood does make it cheaper...but then again a 100% birch shell isn't going to be sold at the visions price range is it? For none of these other kits are using the finest quality birch in their sets, and if they are its being mixed in with a 'lesser' wood as well...

yawn. anything else?

The visions are no different to anything out there on the market. That is my point. It is pearls catch up kit. Very simple to comprehend.

[teej]

Where did I mention or state this opinion that they were top shelf woods? Your arguement is so weak you have to invent conflicting opinions that simply don't exist in a pathetic attempt to slander me , instead of actually responding to my actual points.

Points of which are so strong you simply cannot refute them.

well that sounds kinda familiar?... i can recall you doing that to me in another thread.
You seem so sure of yourself 44Ronin. What? because you have experience? Even Slipknot argues with you, and he's a well respected member here who's worked at drum stores.
Just give it up

[skywalker2]

I never said visions were inferior........learn some basic comprehension. Once again you are FABRICATING stuff.



Yes you are , you just did invent an opinion for me. The only kit using basswood right now is the superstars , and I think the forum knows too well of my disapproval of the sound of them.



I guess for such an astute person as yourself the difference between minuscule and miniscule is minuscule?



Once again you are in fantasy land on the magic train ride of fabricating my own opinions for me ! I was giving you an example of a kit that was around in 2003 and made of birch shells , and with a wood that didn't look like poplar and was priced in the export range , to prove the point that exports were overpriced in the market for what you get.







*experience
*I
*solely

Educated.......? The only thing you have been educated in , is argueing with logic via the use of semantics.





The visions are no different to anything out there on the market. That is my point. It is pearls catch up kit. Very simple to comprehend.



a big...fat....



:rolleyes: .


superstars being the ONLY kit that use Basswood?.....need i say more? :confused:


if that post helped you to sleep better, you have my sentiments.


your not worth ANYONE'S time. :)

[The Dorian]

Ugh...I'm so sick of people talking about Pearl using the Vision to "catch up" in the market.

Competing with other companies is so horrible isn't it?

[Damo]

and so necessary...

[robby2161]

The Vision is a well contructed and well thought out drum kit. While the shell is not 100% birch, it really doesn't matter because for around $900 US, you get a fantastic package including the new 900 series hardware which is amazing. It is loads above the EXR and ELX in terms of what you get for your dollar, and I think most people are satisfied with that.

Bottom line, you get for what you pay for, and in this case, it's definatly worth it.

[The Dorian]

and so necessary...

Yes, it's very necessary. I was being sarcastic when I said that. It seems like everyone's dissing Pearl for finally making, dare I say it, a kit as good or even better than most other brands' intermediate kits.

[skywalker2]

word to robby and drummerman.


pearl is kinda like the honda of drum companies; great products, always moving forward and very competative; and whenever they do ANYTHING its under immense scrutinization.

[robby2161]

^^ Yeah!

[nova]

I can't wait to hear a vision kit. The one Vision 12" tom I saw looked just like a Strata Blue EXR, and the clerk said that they are about the same. It looked mighty fine, but I love EXR's!!

[eirikand]

pearl drums are over priced

[PureRockFury]

pearl drums are over priced

Uhmm not really. If anyone here on the PDF knows how I feel about some of Pearl's products could say I'm not a big fan, but one thing I would NOT say, is they are overpriced. Yes, at one time they were considering what they were offering and what you could get for less elsewhere. With the Visions and the ECX they aren't overpriced at all.

I'm sorry you don't make enough money to buy something as nice as Pearl product, but that doesn't mean they are overpriced.

[skywalker2]

agree with the yammster, they are pretty much on par with everyone else with regards to each respective price range.

[tbonedrumcam]

I personally think it's kinda' rediculous how people downtalk woods such as basswood, poplar, etc. They have they're fine points. True, they make better filler/enhancer woods than 100% drum woods, but they still help to make great results.

Try both kits out for yourself. I've played a Vision and I loved it. It didn't sound like a typical birch kit. It sounded like a birch kit with more punch and surprisingly more low end. The Sensitone snare is also great.

I've heard great things about the Sonor. I've never played one, though.

Hope this helps!

[Son of Shub-Niggurath]

pearl drums are over priced

I disagree. I think the Forum, EX, and ECX are reasonably priced. Going by Massmusic prices, the Masters Premium is one of the more affordable high-end kits out there. They're cheaper than Yamaha Absolute and Custom Absolutes, Sonor Delites, Sonor S-Classix, DWs, and Mapex Orions.

[tbonedrumcam]

pearl drums are over priced

Not true, Pearl Drums are priced very well to compete with other companies.

BTW, the Vision is about experimenting with different techniques in drummaking, such as the 6/8 ply Birch Shell, not keeping up with other companies. It is INTEDED to have a different, unique sound compared to other kits in it's price range. Come on! Why do you think Gretsch and Premier have the Catalina Ash and the Cabria APK Ash drum kits in the same price range?

Point blank...IT'S ALL ABOUT PERSONAL PREFERENCE!!! I've said it before and I will NOT hesitate to say it again.

Some of you forum members fight more than married couples do...it's kinda' ridiulous when you think about...

[Jack_Frost]

Excuse me, but I think Pearl knows what they are doing. They have been making drums since 1946 I believe. Oh yeah, you guys that are comparing and saying that the vision's hardware is bad, then why did the hardware win the 2007 M.I.P.A.?

Thanks

[thismercifulfate]

Excuse me, but I think Pearl knows what they are doing. They have been making drums since 1946 I believe. Oh yeah, you guys that are comparing and saying that the vision's hardware is bad, then why did the hardware win the 2007 M.I.P.A.?

Thanks
So? Sonor have been making drums since 1875... and those who said the 900 series hardware is bad.. how about you expound on that? I got to try out a kick pedal and a convertible boom stand and I thought they were pretty decent, especially the boom stand. Since they're so new, chances are you haven't even SEEN one in person, let alone tried one... it sounds more like bashing Pearl. I'd really like to hear an educated explanation on your claim.

[Midnight Camel]

This thread is a joke. Obviously there are quite a few people here who use a list of stats to judge sounds, not their ears. Who here even remembers what the original question was? Point being: Go ahead and compare shell thickness and speculate on wood quality, but in the end LISTEN. You might surprise yourself :rolleyes:

[tbonedrumcam]

Point being: Go ahead and compare shell thickness and speculate on wood quality, but in the end LISTEN. You might surprise yourself.

THANK YOU! REP FOR YOU!

[Jack_Frost]

So? Sonor have been making drums since 1875... and those who said the 900 series hardware is bad.. how about you expound on that? I got to try out a kick pedal and a convertible boom stand and I thought they were pretty decent, especially the boom stand. Since they're so new, chances are you haven't even SEEN one in person, let alone tried one... it sounds more like bashing Pearl. I'd really like to hear an educated explanation on your claim.
No, I am defending Pearl. Actually, my cousin HAS a Vision kit. I have played it. So maybe, you should get your facts straight before you flame me huh? And what is the "it sounds more like bashing Pearl about?" I guess I don't understand what you are saying.

[skywalker2]

This thread is a joke. Obviously there are quite a few people here who use a list of stats to judge sounds, not their ears. Who here even remembers what the original question was? Point being: Go ahead and compare shell thickness and speculate on wood quality, but in the end LISTEN. You might surprise yourself :rolleyes:


this thread is not a joke. there are millions like it all over the place.

i don't think that any one should go out and by a kit based on one opinion formed by a group of people who agree on a forum, but having threads like this does help. it has to me. i can see its usefulness.

[thismercifulfate]

No, I am defending Pearl. Actually, my cousin HAS a Vision kit. I have played it. So maybe, you should get your facts straight before you flame me huh? And what is the "it sounds more like bashing Pearl about?" I guess I don't understand what you are saying.
Dude I wasn't referring to you, but to the Pearl bashers, so why do you feel spoken to?