EXR or Vision

[phips]

O.K. people, I'm sure this debate will rage. I would like to get a second kit so I can keep it set up at our practice site, and have less wear and tear on my BRX kit. So......the question is I can get a GREAT deal on a new Gun Metal Sparkle EXR, or should I pay the extra money and get a Gun Metal Sparkle Vision kit. I also want the flexibility to use the second kit to gig with if I want.

[trickg]

Vision - that's the direction I would go. Sure it's going to cost you a bit more, but overall you'd get more too. I see the Vision as a comparable kit to say a Tama Superstar which I consider superior to the Export. Likewise I see the Vision as being superior to the Export as well.

[Lonestar Jammer]

Phips,

Well that depends on what your wanting in terms of playing and what your wanting to spend. If your gig is in jazz style of playing in small venues then it would make sense to spend a little more on the kit (Vision) that will give optimum tones acoustically without mics. If your gigs are in more of rock/pop setting large venues and your going to mic your kit and everything else is equally applified at higher volumes, then the tones become saturated with volume so it would not matter that much if you had a lesser expensive kit (EXR). Just depends on where your giging and what you are wanting out of your sound at the given venues. Either way remember it is good drummer, not a good kit that makes good beats and grooves. (but a good kit will always helps). And if money is not an option use a Masters or a Reference to stay put and use your BRX to gig with.

[phips]

Thanks for the input guys. We do rock/blues stuff. I'm new with this band, but from what I understand most of the gigs will be mic'd. I will use the BRX for most of the gigs, but hey ya never know. We may play some where I may not want to take out the BRX. Money is always a issue 00** I just want to spend it wisely.

[RemoNico]

EXR's are great kits. :D

I'm not going to denny, on paper, Visions beat Exports, but don't forget, they are the standard kits for durability, performance and price when it comes to gigging.

You already have a sweet kit, so if your main purpose is to use for gigs, an EXR won't dissapoint you.

Just my opinion.

Cheers!

[phips]

EXR's are great kits. :D

I'm not going to denny, on paper, Visions beat Exports, but don't forget, they are the standard kits for durability, performance and price when it comes to gigging.

You already have a sweet kit, so if your main purpose is to use for gigs, an EXR won't dissapoint you.

Just my opinion.

Cheers!


I agree, I had a ELX kit before I got my BRX. The main purpose of the new kit will be for practice, and gigs where the venue may be questionable. That's why I want a EXR, Plus the Gun Metal Sparkle just looks kick *****. :cool:

[Genius Switch]

I think the Vision is a huge improvement from the EXR, and is already very competitively priced. It wouldn't be hard at all to save up from it.

The main difference between EXR and Vision is the shell. EXR is poplar all the way through while the Vision is an improved Birch/Basswood 6 ply on rack toms and 8 ply on floor toms and kicks (a la Reference Series). Vision shells use a basswood core with birch inner and outer plies. (Just a note: The Tama Superstars use the exact oppoosite, with birch in the middle of basswood inner and outer plies.)

The EXR comes with a matching wood snare drum, the Vision has a new Steel Sensitone. Also the EXR comes stock with 1 ply heads, and the Vision with 2 ply heads. I would assume that 2 ply heads on a Vision tom would add tone and fatness, plus they are more durable. The promo video seems to confirm that.

I happen to prefer the new lugs and fittings on the Vision series, plus the addition of brass tuning inserts and molded rubber gaskets under all lugs and brackets. Those were previously only available on Masters kits and above.

Lastly, the EXR comes with TH88 geared tom arms and time tested 800 series stands and pedals. The Vision series comes with the new 900 series which has Uni-lock tilters on the tom arms, snare basket, and cymbals tilters. That in itself is a huge upgrade!

Gun Metal Sparkle is my favorite on the wraps too!
Check out my other thread Vision Series vs. ECX Maple Export (http://www.pearldrummersforum.com/showthread.php?p=1851846844#post1851846844)

[DED]

I agree, I had a ELX kit before I got my BRX. The main purpose of the new kit will be for practice, and gigs where the venue may be questionable. That's why I want a EXR, Plus the Gun Metal Sparkle just looks kick *****. :cool:


I know where you can get a sweet deal on an MHX! :cool:

Seriously. . .an EXR would do exactly what you need. I still use mine quite often and, for the money, you'd be hard pressed to find a better kit.

[phips]

I know where you can get a sweet deal on an MHX! :cool:


I think about that kit every day. :(

Did you get my email ? ?

[DED]

I think about that kit every day. :(

Did you get my email ? ?


I don't think so . . .

[Against]

Visions ftw.

[Prometheus]

Why not get a higher end kit on eBay? There are lots of kits on there for very good prices most of the time..

[phips]

Why not get a higher end kit on eBay? There are lots of kits on there for very good prices most of the time..

Yes, that is a option. I have been looking, but I need hardware also.

Heck, that's how I got my BRX ! ! :D

[binary]

I think the Vision is a huge improvement from the EXR, and is already very competitively priced. It wouldn't be hard at all to save up from it.

The main difference between EXR and Vision is the shell. EXR is poplar all the way through while the Vision is an improved Birch/Basswood 6 ply on rack toms and 8 ply on floor toms and kicks (a la Reference Series). Vision shells use a basswood core with birch inner and outer plies. (Just a note: The Tama Superstars use the exact oppoosite, with birch in the middle of basswood inner and outer plies.)

The EXR comes with a matching wood snare drum, the Vision has a new Steel Sensitone. Also the EXR comes stock with 1 ply heads, and the Vision with 2 ply heads. I would assume that 2 ply heads on a Vision tom would add tone and fatness, plus they are more durable. The promo video seems to confirm that.

I happen to prefer the new lugs and fittings on the Vision series, plus the addition of brass tuning inserts and molded rubber gaskets under all lugs and brackets. Those were previously only available on Masters kits and above.

Lastly, the EXR comes with TH88 geared tom arms and time tested 800 series stands and pedals. The Vision series comes with the new 900 series which has Uni-lock tilters on the tom arms, snare basket, and cymbals tilters. That in itself is a huge upgrade!

Gun Metal Sparkle is my favorite on the wraps too!
Check out my other thread Vision Series vs. ECX Maple Export (http://www.pearldrummersforum.com/showthread.php?p=1851846844#post1851846844)
How do the Visions compare against Exports (EX, ELX & EXR) sound wise. I would like to upgrade my kit later in the year, but if there is a big difference in sound I may have to upgrade sooner rather than later.

[AL PERCIVAL]

How do the Visions compare against Exports (EX, ELX & EXR) sound wise. I would like to upgrade my kit later in the year, but if there is a big difference in sound I may have to upgrade sooner rather than later.

The Vision kit has an overall better tonal clarity, tuning range and because of the Birch / basswood shells. The Vision has better defined highs, mids and definitely has more low end punch.

[15yroldvirgin]

i would go for the vision, mainly because there is actually some birch in there...... while with the EXR it is only poplar

[wreck one]

I just picked up an EXR for a practice kit. I talked the drum guy at GC down to 350 for a 5 peice. They are trying to get rid of em

[MattKeaton]

molded rubber gaskets under all lugs and brackets. Those were previously only available on Masters kits and above.

I ain't knocking your post - good info there. But just FYI my 1996 ELX had rubber gaskets :) I loved that thing. Great kit.

[Genius Switch]

I ain't knocking your post - good info there. But just FYI my 1996 ELX had rubber gaskets :) I loved that thing. Great kit.

My 98 ELX had gaskets, but not the same as the molded rubber. These were a laminate type material that was stamped. Not that it's a huge deal, I'm just really picky some times. That kit served me well.

[MattKeaton]

My 98 ELX had gaskets, but not the same as the molded rubber. These were a laminate type material that was stamped. Not that it's a huge deal, I'm just really picky some times. That kit served me well.

Ahh; gotcha. Makes sense - thanks for the clarification :)

[phips]

I just picked up an EXR for a practice kit. I talked the drum guy at GC down to 350 for a 5 peice. They are trying to get rid of em


Now THAT'S a deal. Did you get hardwear with it ???

[The Dorian]

^ ^ Yeah, did hardware come with it? $350?! That's a great deal.

[binary]

The Vision kit has an overall better tonal clarity, tuning range and because of the Birch / basswood shells. The Vision has better defined highs, mids and definitely has more low end punch.
Do they sound much different?

[nova]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Vision or EXR let me think; Wait ! I allready pondered this amazing question and I don't have a BRX all though I would really like one!!! Love my EXR and have been playing Exports since 1988!!!

[skywalker2]

It seems that the whole visions vs any export (excluding the ecx's) has a lot of people really representing their choices to go with the export.


On paper, the vision is the better kit. The exports and selects right now have better finishes in my opinion, but the hardware and shell material of the visions is just superior; pearl has to keep moving up the ladder, they cant just keep their entry level kit the same... and they have done a good job.

Exports are great sounding kits...imagine what visions could sound like!

[Hilbert]

Just f****ng awesome! I can't wait to get one of those drums personally in my hands. I hope within two weeks or so. Just imagine what you can do whit that drum! I like those drums, also I like the finishes and first i wanted a export but now I want a vision kit because the price is almost the same! wich is a great thing from pearl.

plus I read the tread about the hardware that they won a price for it. Which means a lot for me and many other people. Pearl hardware is always realiable! so that is also a choise for me to get a pearl drumset.

Many people dislike the new vision series. But ones they have tried one I hope they will have another idea of it.

[MattKeaton]

Do they sound much different?

I would imagine so, yes.
I would imagine that Al's explanation is right on the money.

[CatBoy75]

I'd go with the Visions. All things being equal I think they have more features and the kits I have seen are extremely well made and solid.

[The Dorian]

Do they sound much different?

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