Possible for another video?

[DD_drummer44]

From what I could get from the Vision video, the drumset sounds pretty good for an intermediate kit. The one thing I didn't like from the video was the lack of toms (90% bass/snare/hat groove, 10% tom work) presented in the video. Is there any possibility, in the near future, for pearl to release another video with a different drummer (instead of rock/metal, get a funk drummer; give a different feel of the set) playing the visions?

[Genius Switch]

I agree that Pearl should have included different drummers playing. Also, would it be possible to post footage of the kit unmic'ed? It doesn't have to be a huge production. Maybe an associate from the Nashville HQ could just tap on a kit in the showroom.
So far I'm impressed with the Vision series, and I can't wait to see one in-store.

[jiyah7]

where are the videos i cant find them?

[MattKeaton]

From what I could get from the Vision video, the drumset sounds pretty good for an intermediate kit. The one thing I didn't like from the video was the lack of toms (90% bass/snare/hat groove, 10% tom work) presented in the video. Is there any possibility, in the near future, for pearl to release another video with a different drummer (instead of rock/metal, get a funk drummer; give a different feel of the set) playing the visions?

Thats the first thing I thought when I saw the video, I just thought what the hell? They aren't Vision cymbals, that isn't a Vision snare... they aren't Vision hi hats... play some toms and bass for Christ sake! Quite odd I think...

[DD_drummer44]

Thats the first thing I thought when I saw the video, I just thought what the hell? They aren't Vision cymbals, that isn't a Vision snare... they aren't Vision hi hats... play some toms and bass for Christ sake! Quite odd I think...

Actually the snare he was playing (i think) is the Steel Vision Sensitone.

[thismercifulfate]

Actually the snare he was playing (i think) is the Steel Vision Sensitone.
It's just a regular Sensitone which will come stock with all Visions kits; it's nothing new. Yeah, some more tom work would have been nice.

[Genius Switch]

I got a good feeling about this thread keep it going....

[DD_drummer44]

Boogablagga

[tobsta]

Yeah maybe we can get hook just to have a tap on them and play a few beats etc.

[BIG Red]

Here's a strange idea. . . we could all wait till they come out in stores because most of us will still not buy a kit until we can test it out in person no matter how many videos and sound samples we hear.

Just some wierd ridculous thought that popped in my head.

and yes that's a visions snare in the video, it clearly states that the kits come with a steel sensitone.

[VisionVLX]

Here's a strange idea. . . we could all wait till they come out in stores because most of us will still not buy a kit until we can test it out in person no matter how many videos and sound samples we hear.

Just some wierd ridculous thought that popped in my head.

and yes that's a visions snare in the video, it clearly states that the kits come with a steel sensitone.

Try them out? Ridicules :rolleyes:

[MattKeaton]

and yes that's a visions snare in the video, it clearly states that the kits come with a steel sensitone.

Huh? Isn't that a contradiction?

Sensitone does not = Vision...
:confused:

[AL PERCIVAL]

actually this sensitone is made exclusively for the Vision series. It is not the standard Sensitone Elite STE1450 model. The Vision sensitone shell is a 1.0 beaded steel shell, the hardware is completely different. The lugs are the new TLS-55 Tube style lugs and the strainer and throw are different then the standard sensitone elite. I've played it, its a very nice full sounding snare with a wide tuning range and tonal clarity. And to be honest, the drums unmiked sound very similar to the SBX session kit, the floors are a little phatter sounding with better bottom end because they are 8-ply 10mm shell thickness. They sound great even with the stock pro-tone heads, I imagine they'd sound even better with a quality drum head of your choice (i.e., Evans G2 or Remo emperors). Just my $0.02.

[MattKeaton]

Thanks for clarifying the snare issue :p
I would have considered this kit in lieu of the Session... but would have been hard to go past the Vintage Wine :cool:

[AL PERCIVAL]

Thanks for clarifying the snare issue :p
I would have considered this kit in lieu of the Session... but would have been hard to go past the Vintage Wine :cool:


I dunno, the #233 Amber Fade looks real sweet! :)

[-Rob-]

That finish is brilliant ^ reminds of my Tama Superstar finish... :D

[Son of Shub-Niggurath]

Is there anywhere where I can view the Vision video? It seems to have been taken off the Pearl website.

[AL PERCIVAL]

Is there anywhere where I can view the Vision video? It seems to have been taken off the Pearl website.


while Pearl had changed the webpage, you can still watch and hear the Morgan Rose Vision video here ! (http://www.pearldrum.com/vlx-video.htm)

[ntime]

Wow! I agree with you Al, the Amber Fade with chrome hardware sure is sweet.

[MattKeaton]

I dunno, the #233 Amber Fade looks real sweet! :)

I suppoooosse! But! Ive never been partial to fades ;)
Nice looking drum, though. Thanks for the pic!

[Son of Shub-Niggurath]

Thanks for the link, Al. I was really impressed with how the drums sound. However, I thought the video was a bit misleading as Rose kept referring to them as "birch shells."

[AL PERCIVAL]

Thanks for the link, Al. I was really impressed with how the drums sound. However, I thought the video was a bit misleading as Rose kept referring to them as "birch shells."

Personally, I think they gave him to much info to digest. He came off sounding more like a drum manufacture than a player. :D

On the other hand, after the video shoot, Morgan thought they sounded excellent. In fact, playing them here, they sound phatter than the SBX session because of the inner basswood ply which still having the natually EQ'd birch sound. Remember the 1997 first Starclassic Performer kit? they were birch/basswood before going to 100% birch in 1998 and were very popular amongst semi-pro and pro players alike.

They really are a great sounding kit with loads of quality and upgrades for the price. Dealers are starting to load up on them so you should start to see them next month stocked on the floors of many authorized Pearl dealerships.

Give them your own Morgan Rose banging when they arrive so you can decide for yourself.

[WaleyGao]

hey al.do you think any visions are in canada yet?
its my bday this week and im thinking of looking into them.

[Neo666]

Personally, I think they gave him to much info to digest. He came off sounding more like a drum manufacture than a player. :D

On the other hand, after the video shoot, Morgan thought they sounded excellent. In fact, playing them here, they sound phatter than the SBX session because of the inner basswood ply which still having the natually EQ'd birch sound. Remember the 1997 first Starclassic Performer kit? they were birch/basswood before going to 100% birch in 1998 and were very popular amongst semi-pro and pro players alike.

They really are a great sounding kit with loads of quality and upgrades for the price. Dealers are starting to load up on them so you should start to see them next month stocked on the floors of many authorized Pearl dealerships.

Give them your own Morgan Rose banging when they arrive so you can decide for yourself.

Good point AL. If I recall, Portnoy used a Starclassic performer when he created the purple monster...which I remember was the birch/basswood combo when that took place.

[Son of Shub-Niggurath]

Personally, I think they gave him to much info to digest. He came off sounding more like a drum manufacture than a player.

That was another thing that I noticed. He sounded like he was reciting information given to him from Pearl, rather than speaking candidly about the drums. But, oh well.

[Neo666]

That was another thing that I noticed. He sounded like he was reciting information given to him from Pearl, rather than speaking candidly about the drums. But, oh well.


I'd have to say the same thing about the Ref vid. Rose was more enthusiastic about the Ref's though...so it seemed

[AL PERCIVAL]

hey al.do you think any visions are in canada yet?
its my bday this week and im thinking of looking into them.

Happy Birthday. :) A majority of authorized Pearl dealers in Canada should have them by mid-March (so in about 3 weeks). Some dealers earlier, some a bit later.

[Andy @ MIT]

Does anybody still want a video? I could make a rough one this weekend with a VSX or VLX, your choice... but it'll cost ya ;)

[corn_off_the_cob]

^^ Most definitely!!!!
HOW MUCH!? ;)

we're joking about the money, right?

[Hilbert]

Yeah another video, you get a beer from me ;)

[jbrandt]

Does anybody still want a video? I could make a rough one this weekend with a VSX or VLX, your choice... but it'll cost ya ;)

Hi Andy,

I would love to hear another clip of how these shells sound. Al Percival has described them favorably as compared to the EX shells, but since none of us have played them yet, I'd like to hear what you thought. I would also be interested to hear your opinions on the build quality (new factory) and on the 900 series hardware.

Thanks,
Jeff

[Got_Milk]

I also would love another video. Hit the toms and floor toms a lot more tho!

[Andy @ MIT]

money and beer sound good... i'm also easily persuaded by good sushi and good thin crust pizza...

[TommySalami]

I'll mail you a celeste microwave pizza

[BRX rad]

^^hahahahahahaha

[tobsta]

Yeah Andy. That would be great. Haven't really heard them without EQ

[1337Drummer]

I watched the video, while yes it did sound kind of scripted (what was said though is definitely true) It would be nice if pearl would make another video about the company, except it'd be alot more entertaining if there were some live performances by pearl drummers (with the band and some solos) instead of brief clips of them performing, (I'd personally like to see a new setup video with Chad smith perhaps, for a different yet similar style of drumming still rock but with a bit of funk added to it)? (with the older-ish clips of Eric Singer playing on the export to play along to.)

[Son of Shub-Niggurath]

Yeah Andy. That would be great. Haven't really heard them without EQ

How do you know the sounds on Pearl's videos were EQ'd?

[-Glenn-]

Visions are alright but why buy one when you can buy a 100% Maple shell export custom?

[AL PERCIVAL]

Visions are alright but why buy one when you can buy a 100% Maple shell export custom?

There is such a misconception that anything other than a 100% any kind of shell doesn't sound good or is in someway inferior to other shells. This is simply not true. The Vision birch/basswood series is the same shell as the original 1997 Starclassic Performer series before they went to 100% birch in 1998. The birch plies are both on inside & outer plies of the shell construction. This results in a phat punchy sound with great EQing and tonal clarity. The bass drum is phat and punchy with great attack and plenty of projection without souding loud, empty and boomy. I think the 8-ply Vision floor toms are some of the nicest floors I've heard.

The ECX Export custom 100% maple is a great sounding kit, but it doesn't make it "better" just because its a 100% maple shell.

[Son of Shub-Niggurath]

Visions are alright but why buy one when you can buy a 100% Maple shell export custom?

Because they're more expensive, and, as Al said, just because it's made out of maple, doesn't necessarily mean that it's better. Furthermore, the lugs on the ECX aren't gasketed whereas the lugs on the Vision are. Also, the Vision comes with hardware, and the ECX is just a shell pack.

I'm going to buy a new drum kit in the next couple months, and the Vision is one that I'm considering. I'm not considering the ECX because my budget is about $900. If I bought the ECX, I'm guessing that would cost me around $1100, plus several hundred more for hardware. In my situation, the Vision is a better buy.

It's so funny to me that so many people on this forum have this attitude of, "Why buy the Vision when you can buy the ECX?" "Why buy the ECX when you can buy an MCX?" Well, because not everyone's rolling in the dough the way you seem to be. I have to worry about rent, gas, car insurance, tuition, food, and being able to go out and have a little fun with my friends from time to time. I would be perfectly happy playing on a Vision despite the fact that it has some basswood in it. I just sold my CB drums, so just about anything would be a huge upgrade. Yes, technically, I could take a few years off from drumming and just put every cent I earn into my drumming fund and eventually purchase something really awesome like a set of Le Sopranos (after all, why buy a Masters Premium when I could buy a set of Le Sopranos? ;) ), but what's the point? I'd have to make do with a practice pad during all that saving time, and I wouldn't have any money to put towards other things in my life. And when all is said and done....do I really NEED such expensive drums?

[Got_Milk]

It's so funny to me that so many people on this forum have this attitude of, "Why buy the Vision when you can buy the ECX?" "Why buy the ECX when you can buy an MCX?" Well, because not everyone's rolling in the dough the way you seem to be. I have to worry about rent, gas, car insurance, tuition, food, and being able to go out and have a little fun with my friends from time to time. I would be perfectly happy playing on a Vision despite the fact that it has some basswood in it. I just sold my CB drums, so just about anything would be a huge upgrade. Yes, technically, I could take a few years off from drumming and just put every cent I earn into my drumming fund and eventually purchase something really awesome like a set of Le Sopranos (after all, why buy a Masters Premium when I could buy a set of Le Sopranos? ;) ), but what's the point? I'd have to make do with a practice pad during all that saving time, and I wouldn't have any money to put towards other things in my life. And when all is said and done....do I really NEED such expensive drums?

Amen brotha!

[1337Drummer]

Are there rounded bearing edges on the vision toms and bass drums?

[jbrandt]

Are there rounded bearing edges on the vision toms and bass drums?


According to Al:
http://www.pearldrummersforum.com/showthread.php?t=168673

the Visions do not have the rounded bearing edges ...

Jeff

[TommySalami]

There is such a misconception that anything other than a 100% any kind of shell doesn't sound good or is in someway inferior to other shells. This is simply not true. The Vision birch/basswood series is the same shell as the original 1997 Starclassic Performer series before they went to 100% birch in 1998. The birch plies are both on inside & outer plies of the shell construction. This results in a phat punchy sound with great EQing and tonal clarity. The bass drum is phat and punchy with great attack and plenty of projection without souding loud, empty and boomy. I think the 8-ply Vision floor toms are some of the nicest floors I've heard.

The ECX Export custom 100% maple is a great sounding kit, but it doesn't make it "better" just because its a 100% maple shell.
So, since they're 2 plies of Birch, there's only 1 inner Birch ply?

[Son of Shub-Niggurath]

So, since they're 2 plies of Birch, there's only 1 inner Birch ply?

Each rack tom is 6 plies thick. The outermost and innermost plies (the ones you can see from the outside and inside of the drum) are birch. The plies between those two are basswood.

Each floor tom is 8 plies thick. The same thing as above applies, except the two outermost plies are birch and the two innermost plies are birch, and the four plies in the middle are basswood.