Show Us Yer Refs...Veggy's Bored!

[veggyboy]

Hey Dudes,

How about posting some more glam shots of your Refs!

I'll start, and yes, I finally added some more cymbals to my kit!

Drums (see sig)

Cymbals: Paiste 22" Signature Dry ride
8" & 10" Signature splashes
16", 17" & 18" 2002 Full crashes
Sabia 13" Evolution HHs
Zildjian 13" A Master Sound top/New Beat bot remote HHs
20" A China high

[jpcdrummer]

Okey dokey.

[Demfer]

Wow. Cool Beans, but 2 refs?

[K3ith R]

Nice kits JP.

[veggyboy]

JPC:

So that's what the insides of the shells look like! :D

Yes, I'm still using the coated Ambs...

[jpcdrummer]

JPC:

So that's what the insides of the shells look like! :D

Yes, I'm still using the coated Ambs...
No offense veg but you have NO IDEA how good your drums are if you are still using those pieces of crap stock heads.

[Demfer]

No offense veg but you have NO IDEA how good your drums are if you are still using those pieces of crap stock heads.

Your the one with moongels all over your toms!!!

[jpcdrummer]

Your the one with moongels all over your toms!!!
What's your point? Lots of people use moongel to get rid of unwanted overtones. Same as using EC2s or CS batters and many other heads with built in damping. Moongel just gives me more control because I can use as much or as little as I want. This is NOT true of the other heads I mention. With built in damping, you get what you get with no control.

[veggyboy]

No offense veg but you have NO IDEA how good your drums are if you are still using those pieces of crap stock heads.

That cut deeply JPC...

No Christmas dinner for you... :(

[U2Johnny]

Sweet kits. Racked kits look so nice from the side imo.

[jpcdrummer]

That cut deeply JPC...

No Christmas dinner for you... :(
Take those heads off NOW! Didn't you have G2s waiting in the wings? Maybe that was someone else. I'm telling you, change them. I will sacrifice dinner for you!!!!

[Demfer]

What's your point? Lots of people use moongel to get rid of unwanted overtones. Same as using EC2s or CS batters and many other heads with built in damping. Moongel just gives me more control because I can use as much or as little as I want. This is NOT true of the other heads I mention. With built in damping, you get what you get with no control.

At this point in my drumming life I beleive that with proper tuning you can get your desired sound. Dampaning should not be used on drums like the reference. Let the drums speak even tho they may studder a bit, Its natural.

[veggyboy]

Take those heads off NOW! Didn't you have G2s waiting in the wings? Maybe that was someone else. I'm telling you, change them. I will sacrifice dinner for you!!!!

Yeah, that was me!

The 10" Amb is still holding on for dear life - it has a few small pits in it. I'll probably end up changing them after one more gig.

[jpcdrummer]

At this point in my drumming life I beleive that with proper tuning you can get your desired sound. Dampaning should not be used on drums like the reference. Let the drums speak even tho they may studder a bit, Its natural.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. I don't know if you own a set of reference or not but these drums have incredible resonance and some sick overtones. Taking out some of these overtones is not WRONG if you don't like them. If you like them, that's fine too.

The fact is, head choice is HUGE. I have said before that head choice is WAY more important than what wood you have in your drums. Tuning also ranks up there. You say one can tune his/her drums to get the desired sound. That is partially true. You can tune them to get a desired TONE but overtones can only be tuned out by sacrificing tone. I tune for the tone I want then work on the overtones via some other method including head choice and damping.

[Demfer]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. I don't know if you own a set of reference or not but these drums have incredible resonance and some sick overtones. Taking out some of these overtones is not WRONG if you don't like them. If you like them, that's fine too.

The fact is, head choice is HUGE. I have said before that head choice is WAY more important than what wood you have in your drums. Tuning also ranks up there. You say one can tune his/her drums to get the desired sound. That is partially true. You can tune them to get a desired TONE but overtones can only be tuned out by sacrificing tone. I tune for the tone I want then work on the overtones via some other method including head choice and damping.

Sounds good!

[jpcdrummer]

Yeah, that was me!

The 10" Amb is still holding on for dear life - it has a few small pits in it. I'll probably end up changing them after one more gig.
I have to admit veg that I left the stock heads on for a while including my first gig with the kit. I then went to clear ambs and the drums still sounded a bit thin. Then, after repeated berating by wood I switched to the G2s and absolutely fell in love with the drums.

I'm betting you will too.

[veggyboy]

C'mon guys, no more bickering!

Pics! Pics! :D

[DEAD HEAD]

I have to take new pics of the kit to show the 8" rack and 18" floor tom , maybe by next week .

[U2Johnny]

Dead head, I've said it 10 times, I'll say it again:

that is the single nicest kit on here. period. danuk may have the most incredible finish and invertalon may have the shinest cymbals, but your kit looks to be one handcrafted by God himself.

[DEAD HEAD]

Thanks, now I must rep you ...

[U2Johnny]

Thanks man, when are those new toms coming in? When they do I want PICS PICS PICS.

[DEAD HEAD]

They are here . :D

[U2Johnny]

(inhales)

PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DEAD HEAD]

Soon my friend , soon .

[U2Johnny]

bah. i want em now!

[bwdrummerghs]

Hey JPC may I suggest switching to Coated Evans that'll get rid of the overtones you speak of without choking it so much it changes the overall statistics your getting now without the moongel, so I guess what I'm saying is if you switched to the coateds you would have this Evans Coated > (or equal to) Clear Evans with Moongels. I think you were the one I refered Coated Evans to in my threads...

[invertalon]

My ref snare :cool:

Heads: Coated Emperor / Diplomat Snare Side
Snares: Puresound Custom 20-Strand
Tuned: Amazing of course ;) CRACK.

[U2Johnny]

Invertalon I think you and I have the sexiest avatars here. My jaw is still down, partly from the snare, mostly from the av.

[Drum Theater]

Very cool thread!!

Last week I had a small gig where it wouldn't be suitable to use my whole kit, so I took half of it with me. I like the way it looks!! Maybe I'll use this setup more. But there's nothing like my big kit :D

Don't look at my twin pedal!! It's very very old, but it works fine. I don't want to buy an Eliminator, because rarely use a twin pedal...

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/DrumTheater/Reference/DSC02066.jpg


http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/DrumTheater/Reference/DSC02065.jpg


http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/DrumTheater/Reference/DSC02062.jpg


http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/DrumTheater/Reference/DSC02058.jpg

[jpcdrummer]

Very cool thread!!

Last week I had a small gig where it wouldn't be suitable to use my whole kit, so I took half of it with me. I like the way it looks!! Maybe I'll use this setup more. But there's nothing like my big kit :D

Don't look at my twin pedal!! It's very very old, but it works fine. I don't want to buy an Eliminator, because rarely use a twin pedal...

Dude, you crack me up. In most bands, what you have there WOULD be considered a big kit!

That other thing you have is a fricken monstrosity. I hope you have roadies for that.

[veggyboy]

I have to take new pics of the kit to show the 8" rack and 18" floor tom , maybe by next week .

Man Dead, your pics came out brighter than mine!

I must adjust! More lights!

[DEAD HEAD]

Man Dead, your pics came out brighter than mine!

I must adjust! More lights!They came out pretty good . I'm going to shoot some more to show the kit with the 8 and 18 .

[DEAD HEAD]

Hey veg , it looks like this is a post your scarlet fade and purple craze ref kit thread . So far its 2 for 2 , all looking very sweet I must say . :D

[Bill Johnson]

I finally had a chance to see a crystal rain kit the other day at Explorers Drum Shop here in KC. It is a nice finish, but the granite sparkle, scarlet fade, and purple craze are still my 3 favorite reference finishes.
I am fairly new to posting on the forum, but I will try to take some photos of my Granite Sparkle Reference Series kit and post them this weekend.

[veggyboy]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yeah, I can appreciate the beauty of the Crystal Rain, but I'm not really into blue kits, especially baby blue.

[Just Drums]

http://www.shanefowlkes.com/assets/photos/set1.jpg


http://www.shanefowlkes.com/assets/photos/set2.jpg


http://www.shanefowlkes.com/assets/photos/set4.jpg


http://www.shanefowlkes.com/assets/photos/set4.jpg

Enjoy!

[veggyboy]

Sweet dude! The pics came out really nice.

So...so far Scarlet Fade rules! :D

[phips]

Groove, your kit looks great. Sizes ??

[Just Drums]

Thanks. Standard sizes I guess. 22X18 BD. 8X12 TT. 16X13 FT. Piano Black FF Snare.

[U2Johnny]

Groove that's pretty ****in sick. cymbal specs?

[Just Drums]

Almost as good as your avatar......almost. :D

Zildjians:
20" Custom K Ride
14" Mastersound HHs
17" Projection Crash
16" Projection Crash

[Danuk]

Enjoy!

Beautiful!

[korch]

Wow, these kits are out of this world. I like all of them, all the finishes are fantastic. Hard to pick a favorite.

[veggyboy]

Pick mine, pick mine! :D

Although some of my pics came out kind of blurry and dark. I must borrow JPC's camera!

[jpcdrummer]

No takey my camera!

[jpcdrummer]

I know it's been done before but:

[jpcdrummer]

Ok, one more...

[DEAD HEAD]

Dude you just like showing off all that cool stuff you have in your drum room , don't you :D I would be proud too . Where is the platinum mist kit ?

[jpcdrummer]

Dude you just like showing off all that cool stuff you have in your drum room , don't you :D I would be proud too . Where is the platinum mist kit ?
You know it baby!

The platinum mist MRX was rotated back into practice duty at my bass players house so I could get the BRX home and clean it up. I also wanted to put new heads on the BRX and tune it up. Nice eye dead.

[DEAD HEAD]

The BRX looks like it has grain through finish , looks sweet . Do you have any pics of it ?

[jpcdrummer]

The BRX looks like it has grain through finish , looks sweet . Do you have any pics of it ?
It's wine red and the grain is very much visible. It is one of the most stunning finishes out there. I don't have any pics currently on this computer but I will try to round some up.

[DEAD HEAD]

I dig the sparkle and solid finish colors , but , the grain through finish's turn me on . My scarlet fade has a light grain and love it but I wish it had a more .

[ffldequinox]

cool sets...both of them lol i wish they would make some nicer finishes for the refs.....im getting bored of the red/black like my cranberry session and the sparkes just dont work for me....

[jpcdrummer]

I dig the sparkle and solid finish colors , but , the grain through finish's turn me on . My scarlet fade has a light grain and love it but I wish it had a more .
I really don't want to know what "turns you on" :eek:

[veggyboy]

I really don't want to know what "turns you on" :eek:

Yeah, right JPC!

You know damn well the wife and kids are just a front!

[jpcdrummer]

Yeah, right JPC!

You know damn well the wife and kids are just a front!
Foley, is that you????

[eyedrum]

Well, I know that I no longer own this kit but it sure was a pretty one while it lasted.

[veggyboy]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's (was!) sweet dude!

Refresh my memory: what happened to that kit?

And what size BD was that?

[eyedrum]

Well Veg...It is a long and arduous task to relive the story but be confident that I was fully acquited of all crimes againsy humanity and small furry farm animals. ;) JK

The sizes were: 10x8, 12x9, 14x14 and 20x16 kick.

Really it was a very nice kit but I had some "Opti-rash" on two of the toms and a few other issues. So, I returned it but it's all good. In the end the Refs just weren't for me. That's all.

Thanks though, it sure was pretty. ;)

[DEAD HEAD]

I really don't want to know what "turns you on" :eek: :D

[U2Johnny]

haha dead head.

[styleone]

I can now participate to this thread :) .



http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l52/styleone_lknown/Reference/racktomsaggress.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l52/styleone_lknown/Reference/Front-right.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l52/styleone_lknown/Reference/Finish10-12.jpg

Follow my sig link for more...

[DEAD HEAD]

Great kit and a nice room too ... :)

[TittoBluni]

I love that kit!
rep

[dovislt]

very sexy. its a shame that you cant choose between satin and black like in the masters series

[JimtheMule]

Here's mine. A very old pic from when I first got them. I cant believe Ive had these since Aug. of 2005.

[styleone]

Thanks for the compliments !

[SippyCup]

Drum Theater, that cymbal setup is almost EXACTLY like mine. I don't have a ride on the right, and I have only one splash next to my hi hats. Other than that, it's exact as far as placement! So weird.

[batteriesnare]

Here's mine.

[trommis1]

Here's mine. A very old pic from when I first got them. I cant believe Ive had these since Aug. of 2005.

Beautiful!

[tamaboy123]

Batteriesnare is that a k custom hybrid ride? If it is how do you like it?

[tubbs]

I've had a reference kit for a bit, if someone could tell me how to post a pic, I'll go grab a snap shot tonight at my rehearsal space. Jazz kit 18x16B 10x8T 14x14FT 13x6.5S (yamaha) Legacy cyms 21" 18" 17" 14hats" 20" k-con flat and DW flat based hardware.....

[CALIX DRUMMER]

Here's a picture of my kit, a different set up from my last post.

[TommySalami]

No takey my camera!
since when do you have purple craze???

and have you recorded them and put the sounds into that roland??

[jpcdrummer]

since when do you have purple craze???

and have you recorded them and put the sounds into that roland??
I've had the purple craze since August. Pearl did a do-over and I decide to get the PC in place of the granite sparkle.

I have not had the opportunity to record them yet but I have been gigging with them nearly every week and I love them. There are some pics on my band website below.

[batteriesnare]

Batteriesnare is that a k custom hybrid ride? If it is how do you like it?

It's not, it's a 20" K Custom Ride, but the shadow from the 18" K Crash above it makes appear to be.

[antismurf]

how long has the reference series been out does any one know? btw some extremely nice kits on this thread ... *drools*

[veggyboy]

how long has the reference series been out does any one know? btw some extremely nice kits on this thread ... *drools*

Maybe around 2 years?

[jpcdrummer]

Maybe around 2 years?
Two years next month was when the first orders were placed.

[RLRRL]

take a good look at the first set of jpcdrummers picture on the first page. Notice the platinum mist kit up on the shelf? Looks like he ordered the room to fit those drums. They fit perfectly up on the shelf, wall to wall...How did you manage that? very slick. You have everyones dream drum room..you make me sick :p

[batteriesnare]

The new setup with the new 14x14 Floor Tom.

[jpcdrummer]

For the love of Pearl man, take that crap out of your bass drum!

[veggyboy]

Yeah, what's up wit dat?!!! :eek:

And wouldn't a mic pick up a bit of "flutter" from that? Hmmm...

[DEAD HEAD]

Looks like popcorn .

[batteriesnare]

It's just a piece of carpet padding that wasn't seated correctly at the time of the photo. Its cut to fit the drum so it's not picked up by the mic. It just turned when it was placed into its case, and I hadn't put it back the way it should be for the pictures.

[jpcdrummer]

It's just a piece of carpet padding that wasn't seated correctly at the time of the photo. Its cut to fit the drum so it's not picked up by the mic. It just turned when it was placed into its case, and I hadn't put it back the way it should be for the pictures.
Blasphemy!

[batteriesnare]

Blasphemy!

How so? My kick sounds amazing!

[jpcdrummer]

How so? My kick sounds amazing!
veg, you want to take this one?

[veggyboy]

How so? My kick sounds amazing!

For the love of everything holy, go with the Vegomatic setup:

Aquarian Super Kick I/Regulator/Evans clear double patch/Slug Punch Collar beaters!

This will be the LAST combo you will ever buy! :D You can sing praises to me later! :)

[jpcdrummer]

For the love of everything holy, go with the Vegomatic setup:

Aquarian Super Kick I/Regulator/Evans clear double patch/Slug Punch Collar beaters!

This will be the LAST combo you will ever buy! :D You can sing praises to me later! :)
All hail the great and powerful veg!

[batteriesnare]

Do you have a solo clip of this kick setup?

[veggyboy]

Do you have a solo clip of this kick setup?

You know, I actually recorded my Refs (for a couple of minutes) several months ago, but the file ended up being so big, it wouldn't fit on this site. I also only had a dial-up connection at the time, so THAT didn't help the uploading process either!

I actually just got DSL two days ago and will put a new clip together. Right now, my Tamas are set up in my basement (and miced), so I might as well record those too. My Tama bass drum has the exact same setup anyway, so I guess it doesn't matter which set I use for a bass drum head sound sample.

[Tom Reyns]

Just found out that I haven't posted my kit in this thread yet!
That last pic is for everyone who thinks they don't like Rootbeer Fade... :rolleyes:

[veggyboy]

Just found out that I haven't posted my kit in this thread yet!
That last pic is for everyone who thinks they don't like Rootbeer Fade... :rolleyes:

"Everyone" would be JPC! :eek: :D

Unfortunately, he's never been the same after "the accident"...

[Tom Reyns]

What happened?

[veggyboy]

What happened?

Oh god, I don't know if I should be the one to say, but let's just say he and a bunch of his frat boys were once drunk with a goat and a jar of peanut butter in one of their college dorm rooms and things got a little out of hand, and well, we can just stop there...

He's since moved on. No sense bringing up the past you know...suffice it to say he just doesn't like Rootbeer Fade!

:D :D :D

[jpcdrummer]

What happened?
"I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat..."

[jpcdrummer]

Just found out that I haven't posted my kit in this thread yet!
That last pic is for everyone who thinks they don't like Rootbeer Fade... :rolleyes:
Beautiful kit Tommy Boy!

I should post my kit here. I don't think I have.

[Tom Reyns]

Hahaha you guys make no sense at all! :D

[Redbeard]

Tom, I think it's safe to take the tags off your drums now. You're not going to return them are you? ;)

[jpcdrummer]

Tom, I think it's safe to take the tags off your drums now. You're not going to return them are you? ;)
Heh, I was thinking the same thing.

[Tom Reyns]

Tom, I think it's safe to take the tags off your drums now. You're not going to return them are you? ;)Haha those pics where from the day I got the drums, they were removed on the same day. :)

[Vgard]

Okey dokey.

MAn...!
You got your own drummerworld! You got drums everywere, and also a e-drum kit, it very cool.. Wis I know you, I would be visitin you all then time.
What kit is that gold hanging on the wall??

[ShaneL]

hey this is really inspiring me to take some new pics of my kit since i've added more and changed a few things. i need to get my camera back too.
maybe soon guys!

[Tom Reyns]

^^By all means do so!!! :D

[rollracer]

[QUOTE=veggyboy]Hey Dudes,

How about posting some more glam shots of your Refs!

I'll start, and yes, I finally added some more cymbals to my kit![QUOTE]

i always had hanging 16...more set-up options...nice set...for me a drum set should start whit an 8 rack tom and finish whit a 18 floor...between in,it's as usual 10-12-14-16... :p tired of punk-set pics...2 rack, one floor...It's like a dinner for 1, at KENTUCKY FC...not enough lol.. :D lol

[rollracer]

Just found out that I haven't posted my kit in this thread yet!
That last pic is for everyone who thinks they don't like Rootbeer Fade... :rolleyes:
WWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOUUOOUUUUUUUUUOOO UUUUUOOOwwwwwwWWWWWWWOOOUUUUUOOUUUWWWWWOAWWWOOUUUU UUUU;;;; :D :D :) :eek: ;) :D Each time i see your set tom i have f****** hard..sicksicksicksick....i'll see life in root-beer fade,soon.....

[rollracer]

[QUOTE=jpcdrummer]What's your point? [QUOTE] Lots of people use moongel to get rid of unwanted overtones[QUOTE].
I'm currently looking for a complete set.Is what you say, about your use of moongel pieces, means that you had to moongel all the rack tom lines, cuz tones where to much present on all the toms line?????If yes,it's seems curious to me, as all i heard about the ref's character, is his nice little dry cut attack, and a bit choked bottom...(exactly what i'm looking for),but on the notes,yet singing.Isn't it ???...an answer please JPCdrummer?? :confused:

[Tom Reyns]

Each time i see your set tom i have f****** hardWoa, thanks... I guess? :rolleyes: I'll have new pics up soon when I have new heads and some new cymbals!

[jpcdrummer]

[QUOTE=jpcdrummer]What's your point? [QUOTE] Lots of people use moongel to get rid of unwanted overtones[QUOTE].
I'm currently looking for a complete set.Is what you say, about your use of moongel pieces, means that you had to moongel all the rack tom lines, cuz tones where to much present on all the toms line?????If yes,it's seems curious to me, as all i heard about the ref's character, is his nice little dry cut attack, and a bit choked bottom...(exactly what i'm looking for),but on the notes,yet singing.Isn't it ???...an answer please JPCdrummer?? :confused:
I'm not sure what exactly you are asking. Yes, I use moongel on all my drums. However, the great thing about the product is you can use more or less depending on what you are trying to accomplish and the characteristics of each individual drum. This is superior in my mind to a drumhead with built in damping. With the Evans EC2 for instance, you get what you get and there is no changing it. That is why I prefer moongel.

[RavensEnd]

awesome set tom

[rollracer]

[QUOTE=rollracer][QUOTE=jpcdrummer]What's your point? [QUOTE] Lots of people use moongel to get rid of unwanted overtones
I'm not sure what exactly you are asking. Yes, I use moongel on all my drums. However, the great thing about the product is you can use more or less depending on what you are trying to accomplish and the characteristics of each individual drum. This is superior in my mind to a drumhead with built in damping. With the Evans EC2 for instance, you get what you get and there is no changing it. That is why I prefer moongel.
JPCDRUMMER, My question was more toward the REF's natural(own)character compared to,let's say, my D.W...Mine is a thin shell-resonnating character(to much tuning+f****** lugs).I tought the REF's own natural character was more toward a good tuned-balance between tones and choke, occured by the thick wood-mix...(exactly the sound i'm looking for).ISN'T IT???....SO, why use of moongel on REF'S series drums??they are supposed to be ¨¨unwanted overtones¨¨ free, whit no tuning issues, even the 12...isn't it???Marketing??I will never understand why i should pay so much$$ for a hi-end, top line drumset,and end up muffling it cuz i can't get ridd of unwanted overtones!!... :mad:

[jpcdrummer]

[QUOTE=jpcdrummer][QUOTE=rollracer][QUOTE=jpcdrummer]What's your point?
JPCDRUMMER, My question was more toward the REF's natural(own)character compared to,let's say, my D.W...Mine is a thin shell-resonnating character(to much tuning+f****** lugs).I tought the REF's own natural character was more toward a good tuned-balance between tones and choke, occured by the thick wood-mix...(exactly the sound i'm looking for).ISN'T IT???....SO, why use of moongel on REF'S series drums??they are supposed to be ¨¨unwanted overtones¨¨ free, whit no tuning issues, even the 12...isn't it???Marketing??I will never understand why i should pay so much$$ for a hi-end, top line drumset,and end up muffling it cuz i can't get ridd of unwanted overtones!!... :mad:
I think you are missing the point of Reference. ALL drums have overtones that some people like and some don't. mrpaiste will tell you that many of these overtones are near-field meaning that from more than 15 feet away they won't be heard anyway. So the Moongel is probably more for my ears than anybody elses.

But I digress...

The point of Reference is to create a unique and specific sound for each size drum such that together they form a more balanced sound that a single wood kit cannot achieve. There is nothing about getting rid of overtones in the mission statement as far as I know. Great sound is in the ear of the beholder. I've been saying that on these boards for years now. What sounds good to you may not sound good to me. There have been folks that have owned Reference kits and sold them because they didn't like the sound. I have no problem with that. Reference, and any other kit for that matter, is not for everybody.

Try before you buy if you are concerned.

[veggyboy]

[QUOTE=rollracer][QUOTE=jpcdrummer][QUOTE=rollracer]
I think you are missing the point of Reference. ALL drums have overtones that some people like and some don't. mrpaiste will tell you that many of these overtones are near-field meaning that from more than 15 feet away they won't be heard anyway. So the Moongel is probably more for my ears than anybody elses.

But I digress...

The point of Reference is to create a unique and specific sound for each size drum such that together they form a more balanced sound that a single wood kit cannot achieve. There is nothing about getting rid of overtones in the mission statement as far as I know. Great sound is in the ear of the beholder. I've been saying that on these boards for years now. What sounds good to you may not sound good to me. There have been folks that have owned Reference kits and sold them because they didn't like the sound. I have no problem with that. Reference, and any other kit for that matter, is not for everybody.

Try before you buy if you are concerned.

Beautiful! Just beautiful my friend! ...wipes eyes...

[rollracer]

[QUOTE=rollracer][QUOTE=jpcdrummer][QUOTE=rollracer]
I think you are missing the point of Reference.

The point of Reference is to create a unique and specific sound for each size drum such that together they form a more balanced sound that a single wood kit cannot achieve. There is nothing about getting rid of overtones in the mission statement as far as I know.

Try before you buy if you are concerned.
Thanks for the last answer ,JPC.Really precise answer.Yes i have concern(big).I'm looking exactly to this kind of character for my next set(soon)....i just want to make a ¨¨no mistake move¨¨.Also,i heard some PDF ref's owners sayings ref's were on the dry side,which please me.

[eyedrum]

[QUOTE=jpcdrummer][QUOTE=rollracer][QUOTE=jpcdrummer]

Beautiful! Just beautiful my friend! ...wipes eyes...

Ditto! (golf clap) :D

[jpcdrummer]

Well, I don't have any new pics of my Ref kit but I do have some new pooches. These are my two new retired racing greyhounds Midge and Maggie. They turned 2 on May day.

[rollracer]

[QUOTE] These are my two new retired racing greyhounds Midge and Maggie.
I've been in florida to see DAYTONA 200 superbike racing,some years ago,and by the way we've got a go to the dog racing field whit the rabbit running on a ramp....AMAZING racer these dogs are...f****** fast on the first 50-60 yards...maybe faster than my motorcycles racers i own ,on the first 25 feets..lollololo (I bet against)lol....COOL :D

[Tom Reyns]

Good speach JPC!
Well, I don't have any new pics of my Ref kit but I do have some new pooches. These are my two new retired racing greyhounds Midge and Maggie. They turned 2 on May day.How's the resonance on those?

[TommySalami]

Well, I don't have any new pics of my Ref kit but I do have some new pooches. These are my two new retired racing greyhounds Midge and Maggie. They turned 2 on May day.
Santa's Little Helper!, x2

[jpcdrummer]

How's the resonance on those?
Pretty loud. They woke me up this morning thereby ending a horrible dream in which someone destroyed my BRX kit. It was frightening.

[wood]

moonjel is for monkeys!!!

[jpcdrummer]

moonjel is for monkeys!!!
Hey hey I'm a monkey...

[Tom Reyns]

Pretty loud. They woke me up this morning thereby ending a horrible dream in which someone destroyed my BRX kit. It was frightening.It was veggy wasn't it?

[Strat-Master]

that red finish is amazing veggy! Lacquer finish im assuming? Its really nice!

[veggyboy]

that red finish is amazing veggy! Lacquer finish im assuming? Its really nice!

Thanx!

I should really replace those pics - I'm not sure why they all came out a bit blurry. Must have been from the shakes I got from Nam...

[jpcdrummer]

Thanx!

I should really replace those pics - I'm not sure why they all came out a bit blurry. Must have been from the shakes I got from Nam...
...Look out for Charlie!

[Tom Reyns]

...Look out for Charlie!Haha that one never gets old.

[jpcdrummer]

Haha that one never gets old.
True, except we should probably update it for the current pathetic situation in which we find ourselves.

[DEAD HEAD]

Well, I don't have any new pics of my Ref kit but I do have some new pooches. These are my two new retired racing greyhounds Midge and Maggie. They turned 2 on May day.Beautiful dogs my man and a way cool thing to do. My sisters dog is getting up there in years and she's talking about doing the same thing. :)

[eyedrum]

True, except we should probably update it for the current pathetic situation in which we find ourselves.

Look out for IEDs :(

[Cheekco]

Ok I REALLY need to get a reference kit now!!

[Tom Reyns]

What are you waiting for then? Be sure to join the club here... (http://www.pearldrummersforum.com/showthread.php?t=98043)

[drum121181]

Here's a few pics of the kit. I got some better ones on the way.

[TCB]

Here's a few pics of the kit. I got some better ones on the way.

WOW. Stunning finish! Love the black reso on the BD. Congrats on a beautiful kit.

[StephensGirl]

Here's some pics of the new kit. Its been raining here for the last 2-3 days so I'll post some pics outside in better lighting when it stops.

[StephensGirl]

I mean my husbands drums. I wish I palyed those drums :)

[DEAD HEAD]

I mean my husbands drums. I wish I palyed those drums :)
Are you a drummer ? :confused:

[jakeman2006]

no she is my wife. She does sing.

[DEAD HEAD]

no she is my wife. She does sing.Well then , welcome to The Pearl Singers Forum . :rolleyes: :D

[jakeman2006]

I'll tell her Dead Head

[jpcdrummer]

Ok, it's time for me to post pics to this thread. Astute readers will notice the new 14" Paiste Signature Fast Crash on my left side.

[DEAD HEAD]

The refs look Great !!!

I think I'm going to purchase some Paiste Sigs ...

[jpcdrummer]

The refs look Great !!!

I think I'm going to purchase some Paiste Sigs ...
Thanks dude. Check out the Paiste Twenty series too. I think I'm gonna get a Twenty 16" China if I ever dig myself out of debt.

[DEAD HEAD]

Thanks dude. Check out the Paiste Twenty series too. I think I'm gonna get a Twenty 16" China if I ever dig myself out of debt.I hear ya about the debt thing ... :(

[Stefan Ray]

Here are my "Referenceworks" They are a Masterworks kit in Reference Specs! I bet I am the ONLY Reference owner not endorsed to have a Reference w/black hardware and my own finish. lol I am just really proud of them.

[spikeman23]

Okey dokey. Holy mother of god!! These reference kits are really starting to grow on me. And this is coming from a die hard tama guy. I might just have to make the switch.

[Tom Reyns]

Ok, it's time for me to post pics to this thread. Astute readers will notice the new 14" Paiste Signature Fast Crash on my left side.Fantastic looking kit JPC, the colour really comes out in daylight! I just love the look of a fully miced up kit. :p

Here are some updated pics of my Ref. I want to take it outside again soon. I'm considering to get myself another 22x18" kick. Any thoughts about this? Good/ Bad decision? Or would a 18x16" Floor be a better option.

[sparkie]

hey tom did you get a new snare cause ive never seen that gold one that you are using as your main snare in the updated pic. and did you get the mounting system for the other octobans yet?

[Tom Reyns]

Yeah it's my new snare, 14x6.5" Spirit of 2oo2, see my sig for pics.
The mounting system for the other two octobans is still on order... :( It's supposed to take another 2 months! :eek: Good start for my Tama experience!

[jpcdrummer]

Fantastic looking kit JPC, the colour really comes out in daylight! I just love the look of a fully miced up kit. :p

Here are some updated pics of my Ref. I want to take it outside again soon. I'm considering to get myself another 22x18" kick. Any thoughts about this? Good/ Bad decision? Or would a 18x16" Floor be a better option.
TR,

Thanks for validating my color purchase! :D

My feeling on double bass drums is this: If you plan on gigging with your set, double basses is a pain in the back. If the kit is to stay put (studio or home) then double kick is cool. I just wouldn't want to move the things.

The kit is looking very sweet these days bro.

j

[Tom Reyns]

Thanks J, the kit is definatly not going anywhere soon. I've heard it can be hard to get them both tuned up "the same". I know that's impossible but it would be nice if they sound somewhat simmilar. :)

Do you have your own mics and recording equipment (like mixer, pre amp and stuff)?

[jpcdrummer]

Thanks J, the kit is definatly not going anywhere soon. I've heard it can be hard to get them both tuned up "the same". I know that's impossible but it would be nice if they sound somewhat simmilar. :)

Do you have your own mics and recording equipment (like mixer, pre amp and stuff)?
I don't have a lot of experience with double basss drums but I doubt the tuning thing is that big an issue. I can make two drums sound the same.

Yes, I have all my own sound gear. Go to my band website listed below and click on bio. You'll see a listing of all my major audio gear.

[Stefan Ray]

At this point in my drumming life I beleive that with proper tuning you can get your desired sound. Dampaning should not be used on drums like the reference. Let the drums speak even tho they may studder a bit, Its natural.

I just read on both Virgil and Mangini's website that they both have and use "Moongel" ALL over there kits!

[veggyboy]

I just read on both Virgil and Mangini's website that they both have and use "Moongel" ALL over there kits!

Yeah, but those drummers s u c k! :eek: :D

[jpcdrummer]

Yeah, but those drummers s u c k! :eek: :D
I don't know anything about Mangini but from what I've seen of Virgil, he has a chop or two.

[spikeman23]

I don't know anything about Mangini but from what I've seen of Virgil, he has a chop or two. Just a little bit

[veggyboy]

I don't know anything about Mangini but from what I've seen of Virgil, he has a chop or two.

Yeah, but he's got nothing on Mickey Dolenz! :D

Did your lunch come out your nose? :)

[jpcdrummer]

Yeah, but he's got nothing on Mickey Dolenz! :D

Did your lunch come out your nose? :)
Ah, the Monkeys. Yeah, that's quality drumming.

[veggyboy]

Ah, the Monkeys. Yeah, that's quality drumming.

Sweet pop tunes though! :)

And that's MonkEES to you! God, what kind of childhood did you have?! :D

[robd]

You know what really gets me is how do you afford these kits? I have been drooling over a standard 5 piece Reference, Purple Craze kit for a year. I am 100% disabled from the Iraq War. I have a o.k. range of motion left, I have been playing the drums for 20 plus years. I will never be able to afford anything more than an export kit. They need to make these drums more achievable, for the screwed people like me. Rob

[relientk422]

dude i agree!!! get some new heads dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! your drums r way better than mine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[relientk422]

sorry 2 hear that u were wounded, man. thanks 4 serving our country.

[Groove Pastor]

Hmmm. Dampening is a good thing at times. As a player and a FOH Engineer, you need dampening for overtones when micing drums. Escpecially the low toms. Not doing so is a sound nightmare. I personally like moon gel. It's good stuff for the reasons JCP Mentioned. I personally like gaff tape so I can just cut off a piece. It's lightweight. The coated amabassadors that come on the kit are the worst sounding garbage on this kit. UNLESS you're playing some jazz. They have no punch or depth. I digress.... the use of dampening is crucial to good sound if you play live or do any recording with anyone that knows how to mix. Now if you're just gonna play in your garage or living room then balls to the wall man.

[MikeyP]

Scarlet Fade

[ConvertedLudwigPLayer]

Man, I love that kit MikeyP.

[DEAD HEAD]

:cool:

[jpcdrummer]

Damn DH, you got a lot of drums there....

[rollracer]

:cool:


gosh what a set.i love it.

[DEAD HEAD]

Damn DH, you got a lot of drums there....It would be nice if I knew how to play the darn things... :D

[givemethebeat]

You know what really gets me is how do you afford these kits? I have been drooling over a standard 5 piece Reference, Purple Craze kit for a year. I am 100% disabled from the Iraq War. I have a o.k. range of motion left, I have been playing the drums for 20 plus years. I will never be able to afford anything more than an export kit. They need to make these drums more achievable, for the screwed people like me. Rob

Dude congrats to you. Think big and the universe does provide with what we need!!! have you considered passing on your 20 years experience for a few dollars to assist in the upgrade? I can imagine you have some very interesting perspectives and stories to pass on. Purple craze is a very cool color mmmmm

[Artschool]

Pinkmonkey89@gmail.com e-mail if anyone has a 22" white w/ black logo pearl bass drum head (pearl logo not so huge) that they can sell me! I WILL PAY $36, BUT IT CAN BE NEGOTIATED. One with masterworks logo at the bottom is fine too it doesn't matter.

[HOTFOOT]

I'll be puttin my kit up as soon as possible.

[HOTFOOT]

My kit in my living room. Hope you like. :)

[emil]

Can someone show pictures of their Pearl reference in copper fire finish?

[b.w.]

DEAD HEAD, that is just so much REF. Amazing kit. AMAZING.

[jpcdrummer]

It would be nice if I knew how to play the darn things... :D
Self deprecating humor will not play here! :D

[DEAD HEAD]

Self deprecating humor will not play here! :D
Self depraaaa ,what??? :D Well,I do feel that this drum kit I own should have a much better drummer playing it ... :)

[jpcdrummer]

Self depraaaa ,what??? :D Well,I do feel that this drum kit I own should have a much better drummer playing it ... :)
Dude, I feel that way too...about me, not you. :D

Seriously, there are time when I think, what the hell am I doing with these drums?

[robd]

Hey! Givemethebeat, I was pretty down when I wrote that about to go in for my 2nd hip surgery, and finally now I am out of these braces on my wrists. It has worked to my favor, I played with Army entertainment for some years a long time ago, and I had a lot of stuff that I pretty much gave away. I am not going to say that I was anything special but I could keep a beat. Well I had the money thanks to my Dad and the VA, to buy a Reference kit but I decided against them, It was not worth having an awesome set like that, for me being in my condition, and their was a kit at the music shop, a 6 piece in Purple Craze just like I wanted, but this guy walked in and said he had been saving for a year for this kit, and today was the day, he was taking them home! So I told him I had come in to buy them also, but I felt he needed them worse, we have been friends ever since and I now have a 6 piece MMX in Diamond Burst with Black Hardware, and could not be more happy. I was told once from an ex-guitar player that your only as good as your kit! Little does he now he played a 3000 dollar PRS, and he sucked! Wheres the logic?

[DEAD HEAD]

Dude, I feel that way too...about me, not you. :D

Seriously, there are time when I think, what the hell am I doing with these drums?
Are we not worthy ??? :D

[jpcdrummer]

Are we not worthy ??? :D
Sometimes, depends on the day.

[DEAD HEAD]

Sometimes, depends on the day.Same here ...

[XAydMary]

Just set mine up. Didn't even put the kick drum legs down yet.

[b.w.]

^ More pics, now.

[DEAD HEAD]

Just set mine up. Didn't even put the kick drum legs down yet.Beautiful !!! :D get those kick legs set and rock your *** off ...

[Jerseymont]

Tasty.

[StraightToTheWithdrawal]

Here's mine!!!

[Superball_Drummer1]

wow amazing kits everybody....camt wait until we get some post in here with the new 2008 finishes!!!

[eric22]

my growing set of craze.

[jpcdrummer]

Dammit people, quit buying Purple Craze. My drum value is dropping by the second! :eek:

[StraightToTheWithdrawal]

Dammit people, quit buying Purple Craze. My drum value is dropping by the second! :eek:

No Can Do JPC...Purple Craze is too sexy to not own!! We should all embrace each other as Purple Craze Brothers!!! Maybe we could get into the Guiness Book of World Records for the most Purple Craze in one room!!!!

[jpcdrummer]

I decided to clean my drum room up and in the process, thought, what the heck, let's hang every cymbal I can on the kit. So, although some are dusty, I've got four splashes, four crashes, two chinas, a ride, and a zbell. As you can see, I ran out of methods to hang them before I ran out of cymbals.

Also, I know I'll get questions about why my 12" Ref tom is missing and replaced with my 12" BRX tom. I am waiting on a warranty replacement which I hope will come soon.

And no, I'm not going to drag all these cymbals and arms to a gig. But it is fun to play.

[CALIX DRUMMER]

JPC...really just wow. A drum shop at your own home. What's wrong w/ the old 12"?

[jpcdrummer]

JPC...really just wow. A drum shop at your own home. What's wrong w/ the old 12"?
Thanks CALI. The 12" tom experienced a little ply separation at the bottom bearing edge. Just one of those freaky, VERY unusual things. Interestingly enough, it was a FANTASTIC sounding tom and my "go-to" tom on the kit. Pained me to part with it but I was worried about the long term integrity of the shell. Initially I was worried about this sort of thing where different wood types met. However, obviously this is on an all maple shell so it has absolutely NOTHING to do with Reference. I take some solace in that.

[TommySalami]

Josh, you got any gigs in the DC area coming up? I wanna hear those refs

[jpcdrummer]

Josh, you got any gigs in the DC area coming up? I wanna hear those refs
Dude I wish. We have been unable to find a quality guitarist for the last 6 months. I'll definitely keep you posted though.

You're in school right? How's that going?

[DEAD HEAD]

Dude ,you have a carpeted floor under all that drum gear :D ;) .Your drum room looks nice and orderly and the refs look cool with all those cymbals . :)

[mikebodrums]

here is my new kit this was taken last night first show with them.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/bigtello_2007/mikes_new_skins_0171.jpg

[DEAD HEAD]

Dude I wish. We have been unable to find a quality guitarist for the last 6 months. I'll definitely keep you posted though.
Its hard to find a band mate like Dan ,a really good guitarist, a good guy and of normal thinking... Good luck bro... :)

[TommySalami]

Dude I wish. We have been unable to find a quality guitarist for the last 6 months. I'll definitely keep you posted though.

You're in school right? How's that going?
School's aright. Lots of work, hardly any drumming cause I can't have my set here. I gotta find a good electronic set for cheap.

And yeah, I've realized how hard it is to find truly all-around good musicians

[spikeman23]

here is my new kit this was taken last night first show with them.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/bigtello_2007/mikes_new_skins_0171.jpgThat's awesome

[mikebodrums]

That's awesome
thanks i really enjoyed playing them last night these have to be the best drums ever made.

[xdrumniggx]

all of you guys have over 400 colors to choose from and all i see is purple craze..

what a waste of a ref finish.

i am ashamed of you.

[jpcdrummer]

all of you guys have over 400 colors to choose from and all i see is purple craze..

what a waste of a ref finish.

i am ashamed of you.
What color is yours?

[redfusion]

What color is yours?
...ROFL! :p

[givemethebeat]

Hey! Givemethebeat, I was pretty down when I wrote that about to go in for my 2nd hip surgery, and finally now I am out of these braces on my wrists. It has worked to my favor, I played with Army entertainment for some years a long time ago, and I had a lot of stuff that I pretty much gave away. I am not going to say that I was anything special but I could keep a beat. Well I had the money thanks to my Dad and the VA, to buy a Reference kit but I decided against them, It was not worth having an awesome set like that, for me being in my condition, and their was a kit at the music shop, a 6 piece in Purple Craze just like I wanted, but this guy walked in and said he had been saving for a year for this kit, and today was the day, he was taking them home! So I told him I had come in to buy them also, but I felt he needed them worse, we have been friends ever since and I now have a 6 piece MMX in Diamond Burst with Black Hardware, and could not be more happy. I was told once from an ex-guitar player that your only as good as your kit! Little does he now he played a 3000 dollar PRS, and he sucked! Wheres the logic?

What a great story, and the universe did provide!!! MMX kits are high end kits too....... Hope your hip and everything causes a least amount of time off your drums as possible.... 5 stars to you....

[DEAD HEAD]

all of you guys have over 400 colors to choose from and all i see is purple craze..

what a waste of a ref finish.


i am ashamed of you.Yea,what color is your ref kit my man ?????????? :cool:

[jpcdrummer]

...ROFL! :p
Sorry, I had to ask. :D

[Symbolic]

Already posted my kit last week, but why not again... haha

This setup isn't final, I just threw it together. I will have some sweet shots of the new setup this weekend... I know it doesn't have to be said, but the Reference series is amazing. My favorites currently are the Bass & the 16" Floor, they just pound!

[eric22]

All I know is that Granite SParkle is sick! NIce kit.

[taint]

nice kits everyone

[Stefan Ray]

Nice kits! This thread is better than the Reference Picture thread!

[taint]

sexy kits everyone!

[CALIX DRUMMER]

Guess I can post some new pics, just to give an update. Enjoy

[Stefan Ray]

Guess I can post some new pics, just to give an update. Enjoy

Time to update your signature.

[Diofter]

Stunning kit!

[Stefan Ray]

Stunning kit!

Yes, I meant to add that as well. ;)

[BauldieOrSkills]

Love the Granite sparkle kit mate :)

[CALIX DRUMMER]

Time to update your signature.

Your right. :rolleyes:

[CWFan2]

Me too. Still have the original Remo coated Ambassador heads on my Ref along with a spot or two of moon gel. First off, I don't think the Remo coated Ambassador heads are "crap heads". If Pearl wanted to install (original) "crap heads", your Ref's would have come through with ProTones on them. Secondly, everyone has their (respective) opinion or thoughts on what is the best head. I used to have Evans G2's (clear) on my old Ludwig. I was happy enough with them, there. But when my Ref's came loaded with coated heads, I chose to stay with those for a while. Another guy I talk too sometimes (by the way, he had a Ref in Root Beer Fade, saw my Purple Craze and immediately sold his Root Beer Fade & bought a Purple Craze) who insists on, not the Ambassadors that come on Ref kits but rather, Remo Emperors, coated. I thought I'd go with the orginal Ambassadors for now and then try something else. (I always thought about trying the Evans EC2's too). But on my old Ludwig kit, I had/tried G2's, Aquarian Performance 2's, Attack (Terry Bozzio) clear heads. I think I had Aquarian Studio X coated heads too (which I liked better than the Performance 2 heads). The point is, it's up to each/respective/individual drummer what he does or doesn't care for in heads.

As for moon gel, remember that almost all drums used to use some kind of muffling, although mostly internal. Moon Gel is great stuff. Like it? Slap it on there. Not quite right? Move it a little. Too much mufflling, hey look at that ... the stuff comes right off entirely!! Ya like Moon Gel and use it BUT, are afraid someone on the Forum's gonna break your walnuts over it, take it off for the new pics, put it back on when they're not looking. Right? Hey, remember tape? Tape all over drum heads? Everywhere you look, tape. Ahh, Moon Gel.

You guys all know as well as anyone ... to each his own. If that's what works for ya, go with it.

Peace ... Bill

A link here to one shot of my Ref.

http://www.pearldrummersforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=333172&stc=1

[DEAD HEAD]

Nice kits! This thread is better than the Reference Picture thread!Thats because it has pictures of my kit in it... :D ;) :)


MW,did you get your kit yet ,I'm waiting to see pics of that beauty... :)

[tmonozy]

new ref with dream contact series cymbals. :eek: :o sound like zildjian k series and my whole cymbal set was about the price of an 20' k crash!!! :eek: dream conact series: 14 high hats, 16 crash, 18 ride, 20 ride. kitt sounds huge. cant wait for new skins and a chance to tune them. can someone please tell me wht moongel is???? :confused:

[tmonozy]

reference snare on the way. 4 weeks away. and who likes my arm tan from the driving to and from brisbane?? :o

[Clandestine]

Moongel is a dampening pad, use to muffle, it comes in the form of a gel type substance just over an inch long, to eliminate unwanted resonance.

[empire]

Heres the beginning of the kit.

[Stefan Ray]

^Another floor tom, rack tom, and kick drum and you are in business. :D

[Drummer87]

^Another floor tom, rack tom, and kick drum and you are in business. :D

word :cool:

[sjamo]

mine

http://myztik.mine.nu/uploads/Framifrån2_liten.jpg

http://myztik.mine.nu/uploads/Sidan_liten.jpg

http://myztik.mine.nu/uploads/Överifrån_liten.jpg

[jpcdrummer]

...tom that is. Get your mind out of the gutter! :D

I just added the 13 to my kit so I'm running 8, 10, 12, 13, 14, 16 and it's a f'n blast to play. What happened is I decided to tune up the kit a few notes higher and when I got to the 14, it was just too high. So, I pulls the 13 off the shelf where its been collecting dust for 2 years and BAM!

I doubt I'll ever bring the 13 to a gig because the kit is already pushing maximum density for most of the clubs I play. But what a fun kit to play now...

Oh, and it's not really 13". That would probably hurt. :rolleyes:

[jpcdrummer]

Oh and now I have an empty spot on the wall...

Whatever should I put there?

[tmonozy]

hey jpc drummer. what heads do you have on your toms and do they sound good as opposed to the stock coated heads?

[Sinder]

Ok these are already up in a couple threads but I can't stop showing them off, my dream kit!

<a href="http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/Sindervhit/?action=view&current=DamonsPearlReferenceKit003.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/Sindervhit/DamonsPearlReferenceKit003.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
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[jpcdrummer]

hey jpc drummer. what heads do you have on your toms and do they sound good as opposed to the stock coated heads?
Those are Evans G2 over Evans Resonant heads. The starter of this thread highly recommends that combo...or at least he used to when he used to come talk to us...

Veggy, where are you????

[Stefan Ray]

Never get tired of looking at Reference kits. Beautiful is all I can say.

[veggyboy]

Those are Evans G2 over Evans Resonant heads. The starter of this thread highly recommends that combo...or at least he used to when he used to come talk to us...

Veggy, where are you????

Funny how I get a tingling sensation and a little light-headed every time JPC calls my name... :o Damn, did I just type that? Anyway...

Still here. I read the posts every now and then. Goes something like,
"check out my new Refs!"
"building my own snare"
"Zildjian sucks"
"recommend me a new pair of headphones"
"DW vs Pearl"

You get the idea.

Enjoying the new baby fo sho! Turned 3 months on the 4th. Love him more than...dare I say, all my drums?! :eek: :D You youngin's will understand in a few years. I tried to get him to hold one drumstick, but he just freaked out and peed on me...again...

Heads: To my ears, so far the clear G2s over Genera resos sounded the best on my Refs. I've tried the stock coated Ambs over clear Ambs, clear G2s over clear Ambs, clear G2s over Genera resos and clear EC1s over Genera resos. To me, the coated Ambs sound too warm and flat on the Refs. The clear EC1s sounded better, but cut too much of the highs. My next experiment will be to use the stock clear Amb resos as batters, but they probably won't last too long given their single-ply construction. I believe member "Wood" (now THERE'S a name from the past!) said a buddy of his tried this combination and the toms sounded wicked.

BTW - I'm also looking forward to trying the new Evans G plus clear heads (12ml).

[jpcdrummer]

Funny how I get a tingling sensation and a little light-headed every time JPC calls my name... :o Damn, did I just type that? Anyway...

Still here. I read the posts every now and then. Goes something like,
"check out my new Refs!"
"building my own snare"
"Zildjian sucks"
"recommend me a new pair of headphones"
"DW vs Pearl"

You get the idea.

Enjoying the new baby fo sho! Turned 3 months on the 4th. Love him more than...dare I say, all my drums?! :eek: :D You youngin's will understand in a few years. I tried to get him to hold one drumstick, but he just freaked out and peed on me...again...

Heads: To my ears, so far the clear G2s over Genera resos sounded the best on my Refs. I've tried the stock coated Ambs over clear Ambs, clear G2s over clear Ambs, clear G2s over Genera resos and clear EC1s over Genera resos. To me, the coated Ambs sound too warm and flat on the Refs. The clear EC1s sounded better, but cut too much of the highs. My next experiment will be to use the stock clear Amb resos as batters, but they probably won't last too long given their single-ply construction. I believe member "Wood" (now THERE'S a name from the past!) said a buddy of his tried this combination and the toms sounded wicked.

BTW - I'm also looking forward to trying the new Evans G plus clear heads (12ml).
Oh so I get it, you'd rather get peed on than soil your dainty fingers on the PDF keys??? WTF???

:D

Glad fatherhood is working for you. Luckily my girls are way to old for a Veggy junior date! And as for getting peed on, every time I changed my older daughter's diaper, she peed on me...and I mean EVERY TIME! She's 11 now and we joke her all the time about it. She even pooped on me once. Now that was fun!

[ConvertedLudwigPLayer]

JPC -- beautiful kits! I have a suggestion that may be helpful.

I keep a lot of drums that I am not using set up on shelves in the unfinished part of my basement. The area is similar to your shelving area, although not as wide. In order to eliminate the need for dusting drums (and risk potentially scratching them), I ended up attaching plastic to the ceiling joists and have it running all the way to the floor.

In a finished area like yours where you may want it to look nicer, you could hang curtains or use one of those removable spring loaded shower curtain rods.

Of course, you may just like admiring those beauties on the wall, as they are fine pieces of art.

[jpcdrummer]

JPC -- beautiful kits! I have a suggestion that may be helpful.

I keep a lot of drums that I am not using set up on shelves in the unfinished part of my basement. The area is similar to your shelving area, although not as wide. In order to eliminate the need for dusting drums (and risk potentially scratching them), I ended up attaching plastic to the ceiling joists and have it running all the way to the floor.

In a finished area like yours where you may want it to look nicer, you could hang curtains or use one of those removable spring loaded shower curtain rods.

Of course, you may just like admiring those beauties on the wall, as they are fine pieces of art.
Ha ha, I was being facetious about the "collecting dust". And yes, I love looking at the stuff although at this point, I'm not even sure why I'm keeping some of that stuff because other than the Ref kit, I don't play much of it.

Thanks for the kind words.

[Frantic Puppets]

Oh man, I just went through every page of this thread and I'm thinking of getting another Ref! In the meantime, here are some pics of my Scarlet Fade from 2005.

[Diofter]

Nice fade!!!Perfect setup

[jpcdrummer]

Samba Jones had a gig Saturday. Here's a few shots of my kit and some butts. :D

[Stefan Ray]

Really nice butt, I mean kit and pics!! ;) :D

[jpcdrummer]

Really nice butt, I mean kit and pics!! ;) :D
My butt's on the left.

[Sinder]

Ahhh, I love little venues like that!

[drumdevil31]

This is like porn that the gf cant yell at me for looking at, great kits guys keep it up

[empire]

nice kits everyone!

[DesertViper]

I love the setup and color of that kit.

[reaper_tbs]

Take those heads off NOW! Didn't you have G2s waiting in the wings? Maybe that was someone else. I'm telling you, change them. I will sacrifice dinner for you!!!!

i dunno why i quoted that paragraph, it's unrelated to what i'm about to say -
you must have a hell of an income xD

[pearlreference7101]

I have a question about the scarlet fade finish: is it a lacquer or a wrap? I love the look of the finish but can never tell in the photos of it whether its a wrap or not.