Do you want to see an option for wood hoops standard?

[JonathanAKAgod]

Drumfool in the masterworks forum brought up a good question. Why doesn't Pearl carry wood hoops. I would like to hear other people's opinions on this subject, and maybe we can convince Pearl to think about it, and bring it to the attention of the big guys upstairs. Any and all opinions are appreciated.
Jonathan

[Vinny Ozborne,]

I would love a set of wooden rims for my MRX. I think they add great depth to a kit & look cool to. One thing Pearl could do is match them to kit colours, something the others don't really do.

[drmrman]

I would love to have wood hoops on my snares but I wouldn't really want them on my toms. I wood be veryhappy to see Pearl make wood hoops that would be very cool.

Drmrman

[DED]

I love the look but I don't think I'd pay the extra for wood hoops. I still question the durability.

[Vinny Ozborne,]

I have a wood hoop Ayotte kit & I have never had a problem with dammage on my wooder rims.

[drumfool]

:) Thanks Jonathan

[drumfool]

why would anyone say no to more options?
LoL

[Carl Peterson]

Sounds like a winner to me..

[drumfool]

does this mean it's gonna happen?
;)

[Carl Peterson]

Dunno..that's what polls are for..to see if the public shows a demand for it..I personally hope so..

[drumfool]

then you would be forced to get another kit with wood hoops.

Poor guy.

[drmrman]

Comon Carl and work some magic and have the factory start making ASAP pllleeeaaase

Drmrman

[Drum313]

At the very least, Pearl could offer wood hoops as an option on MW snares (Masters too?) for a year. Call it a trial run, see how well they would sell.

[JonathanAKAgod]

Well, i posted this, with the thought that all drums would be available with wood hoops not only on snares. I'm sure that's what drumfool had in mind also. There are no other giant drum companies that offer wood hoops as a standard on snares not including sig snares. .so i think Pearl would have a huge advantage over other companies by offering wood hoops standard. Lets all just wait and see what Gene has to say about it. But everyone. . .thanks for voting and posting some good stuff on this thread. KEEP IT GOIN!
Jonathan

[GroverDrummer]

I hope Pearl offers wood hoops as an option. I like narrower types, but not so narrow as to require claws; they should work with tension rods only, and with regular lugs.

I'd like to see them shaped like Stanbridge hoops
http://www.stanbridgedrums.com/Pages/hardwood_hoops.html
(which are modeled after the shape of diecast hoops) but made with plies --- for strength.

And both maple and birch hoops should be available.

[JonathanAKAgod]

I don't think you're ever going to see a birch batter hoop ever and even if they were available, i would never buy them, and would advise people to do the same. I don't know if you know, but Birch is a very soft wood and will damage easily. Not so much cracking but, denting from your stick, and other bad stuff. The reason why your shells don't break is because, well, you don't hit the bearing edges with sticks like you would the hoops. I'm sure that you won't be the first person to ask this, but i'd like to clear it up right now. Birch is just too soft. Much like asking Pearl to make 100% 24K gold hoops. Thats the best analogy i can think of. I'm glad you asked this question though, but birch hoops will probably never be available. Canadian Rock Maple, and North American Maple are some of the strongest woods available, and would be perfect for drum hoops. Stanbridge uses Canadian, and so do companies like Premier. Pacific uses North American maple, along with pearl, so i'd assume that's what they would use. But i'm sure that Pearl will atleast consider these very soon. I hope atleast! Thanks everyone.
Jonathan

[GroverDrummer]

Tell this company you shouldn't make birch hoops; they already do:

http://www.jalapenodrums.co.uk/

Just scroll down on the introductory page of the site, you'll see a pink kit with birch hoops.

[JonathanAKAgod]

This company uses a system that allows them to have enough strength for their birch hoops. From what i see, it looks like they are about 45 ply wood hoops. Now, 45 plies in anywood should be able to handle a stick and rimshots, having 45 ply hoops makes each ply about .0425 mm thick. Keep in mind, pearl's plies are about 1.25mm thick, meaning, pearl's plies are 70% thicker than this companies. Yamaha's wood hoops are 18 ply, 2cm hoops, now if you had 45 ply hoops, technically, 18 ply in birch would be 2.5 times weaker than the 45 ply hoops. Yamaha keep in mind also makes thinner plies than pearl. So if pearl wanted 2 cm hoops, that means somewhere along the lines of 16 plies. And 16 plies is almost 1/3 as many plies as the drum company that makes those birch hoops. Pearl's plies are all the same width, from forums to masterworks, so asking them to buy new molds, and make their plies MUCH MUCH thinner is most likely out of the question. The difference of hardness in Maple and Birch is very obvious to drum makers, and wood workers. You notice how on mahogany masters and mmx kits the reinforcement hoops are maple? Also, if you buy a 100% birch masterworks kit 4 ply, the reinforcement hoops are also maple, birch hoops (with the exception of hoops with a ton of plies) probably aren't going to hold up. . .much to the dismay of many pearl customers. If you want to continue this more, i'd advise waiting for Carl Peterson or Gene Okamoto to post a reply to this thread. But i just don't see pearl coming out with birch hoops. But i guess well see if they are ever introduced! I'm wondering if people back my comments or disagree with them, i would like to hear from you also. Keep this thread going! I know lots of you want to see wood hoops! Thanks.
Jonathan

[GroverDrummer]

Since Pearl's plies are thicker than the Yamaha plies or the Keller plies used in hoops like GMS's, it seems that, if Pearl makes wood hoops, they would make thinner plies anyway, even for maple hoops, if only so their hoops don't dent slightly more easily than competitors'.

I know it's unlikely that Pearl will make wood hoops out of woods other than maple. Still, if I played birch drums with wood hoops, I'd prefer matching hoops. Also, I'm not here to argue in support for a wealthy and technologically capable company restricting its offerings.

[JonathanAKAgod]

Yeah who knows how thick they would be. The bass drum hoops are 10 ply, 12.5 thick. . .the same as the 10 ply drum shells, so i am just assuming that pearl would use the same thickness on their batter hoops.

[drumfool]

would there be a notable difference in sound between using maple or birch hoops?

Also, what if you use a wood hoop on the batter side and a metal hoop on the reso side? What about vice versa?

[Carl Peterson]

Personally..I dont think your ear would really know..

[TLD]

I just though of something!
What about those of use who prefer using ISS mounts? It doesn't seem like that would work, right?

[Carl Peterson]

Probally not unless we have some kind of modification option like rubber mounted claws..

[lavo]

Im not down with the wood hoops option. I just like the look of the chunky mastercast hoops. As for the snare, why take away the rimshot capability?

[GroverDrummer]

Quality wood hoops don't take away the rimshot option. Just listen to any SoundGarden recordings with Matt Cameron on wood hoop Ayottes. His rimshots will pull out your fillings!

[JonathanAKAgod]

you get more explosive rimshots with wooden hoops. And to me. . rim shots with diecast hoops are less exposive than with 2.3mm hoops. . but wood hoops bring another level of explosiveness to rimshots.

[splinkman]

i'm in favor of it , i have a one peice tama snare with yamaha wood hoops on it ,I love it , it also makes them lighter , witch is cool with me also.

[dblbassmassacre]

id love wood too. they look and sound so cool. i cant wait, let us know asap

[JonathanAKAgod]

Yamaha style wood hoops are really nice, and i think those are the hoops i had in mind when creating this thread, but ayotte also makes some really awesome wood hoops with the lacquered color inlay.

[drumfool]

Yeah, when I first brought it up, I was thinking on par with the yamaha hoops as well. I'm tempted to buy a set for my 3 1/2 x 13 pearl maple picollo just for experimentation purposes. Yamaha hoops would work on a Pearl drum, right? John, how do you think this would sound?

[dblbassmassacre]

amazing rimshots anyone?

does pearl even offer wood hoops.

wood hoops are one of the many reasons to play drums.
pearl is the best reason to play drums. so shouldnt they offer everything?

[JonathanAKAgod]

Wow that would be pretty cool, a piccolo snare w/wood hoops. Man, that thing would sound pretty cool. I'd say, depending on how tight you tune it, it would have a bit more ring than with a 2.3mm hoops, and would sound more open, and natural. The rimshots would be unbelievable. The snare though would still be incredibly bright. . .what a great little jazzy funk snare. I'm gonna try to go out and find some wood hoops to put on a small piccolo of that size. . .stay tuned for updates.

[JonathanAKAgod]

Well. . .i did it. I found hoops, and a pearl maple 4x14 piccolo snare. . .and i'll tell you. . .this thing rocks with the wood hoops on it. It seems to have a more natural and open sound like i thought it would. . .but the rimshots just tear your head off. It had more sustain to it than i thought it would, which kinda surprised me. The tuning range might of been a bit wider, but i was really taken back by the rimshots, and the loudness of the drum that was really increased by the hoops. Very cool.

[Carl Peterson]

Hey Jon..What about depth? I mean, when you hit it did it still feel like a pic?

[drumfool]

what brand of hoops did you use?

question, how would it sound if you just wood on the top or just the bottom.

[JonathanAKAgod]

Oh it definetely still felt like a piccolo snare. . .none of the original characteristics were lost. This is what i really liked. The wood hoops i felt, just enhanced what was already a part of the drum. I used pacific's wood hoops. I just took them off of that pacific maple wood hoop snare, and put them on the M1440. It was very cool.

[Carl Peterson]

I'll have to try that..those things are just pretty expensive to outfit your whole kit in them..

[drumfool]

but... if Pearl offered them as an option for the masters or masterworks line, you wouldn't have to replace all the rims on your kit, because it would be able to come with beautifully built, pearl made 100% maple hoops.

[Carl Peterson]

This is true..BUT until then..:p

[drumfool]

so, is this something that is actually now being tossed around Pearl HQ?

[JonathanAKAgod]

hmmmmm. .. . .;)

[JonathanAKAgod]

This thread has started to die a little. . .but we did get 30 or more votes towards wood hoops. . .i'm very curious since its been a few days between posts on this thread.. . . .Are wood hoops being considered there at Pearl?

[lavo]

Im sure the Pearl guys are considering wood hoops, they probably already have been looking into it well before the post. The question is how the hoops would change the Masters sound. The Master cast hoops do lend a distinctive sound to the drums. As far as asthetics, Im sure they would look cool, but I seem to be the only guy out here happy with the hoops as they are.:p

[drumfool]

oh, I'm definitely happy the way they are, I wouldn't have bought one if I wasn't happy. It would just be nice if the option was there.

[Phi]

I figure having painted wood hoops would make the Pearl drum look like those Peavey drums!!!!!!! :D :p :D

[Stu]

I'm very happy with the diecast hoops, but having the option would be a good thing. Maybe yet another option for the MW series to add to the custom experience...

[JonathanAKAgod]

Lavo, thanks for posting. Yeah, you are one of the first to make a reply like that, and i appreciate it. I don't want to start a nonwoodhoop trend or anything, but thats what these forums are for. Hearing all opinions. .and I, and drumfool who thought of the idea (i haven't forgotten) would like to hear every opinion possible. I'm sure pearl has thought of it too. But. .this is a place where they can hear what we think. Pro and anti. Thanks.
Jonathan

[drumfool]

(i haven't forgotten) :) Thanks man. That's all I ask.

[JonathanAKAgod]

i really hope this idea gets brought up in Pearl's new ezine also.

[dapperdave]

I play AYOTTE CUSTOM WOODHOOP DRUMS and have done so for almost 5years.I've also owned 3-5 PEARL MASTERS kits since they were introduced.
I can tell you first hand that if you want a woodhoop drum you may want to consider purchasing this type of drum from a company that has a history of building this type of drum. Woodhoops will not make all drums sound good.
There is a science involved in making woodhoop drums sound extroadinary in a variety of ranges. RAY AYOTTE didn't discover this overnite.
PEARL is great at what they do .I believe they should keep their own identity.If you ever play an AYOTTE KIT, you'll begin to understand what I mean.

[lavo]

BLASPHEMER! We know nothing of other inferior products! Ayotte who? what? There are no wood hoops until Pearl says so! Pearl is master of all percussion........I mean.....um.......I better go take a nap.:D

[dapperdave]

Hey lavo! What's Up? I don't want you to take my opinion out of context. I'm just sharing my experience with woodhoops with our fellow drummers.Its not that PEARL could'nt make woodhoops-its just that they don't have a history for that technology. I think for a drummer that wants something new and different -by all means PEARL can assist that market of drummers.

I was just under the impression that alot of drummers on this forum may be thinking that PEARL drums will sound like a substitute for AYOTTE WOODHOOP DRUMS(originators of the woodhoops) since AYOTTE can now only be purchased factory direct & perhaps may not have been played by many drummers here. PEARL is great at what they do which is providing a quality sounding instrument for every budget. But if the woodhoops are priced anywhere near what it cost to have the AYOTTE technolgy(about $150 per hoop) - you as a consumer might be dissapointed.

After 10 years,owning 35 all top-of-the-line kits, I speak from experience.We as consumers have to look at what each of the great drum companies does best & make our purchases accordingly. This is just information only. Take Care!!!!!!

[lavo]

Hey Dapperdave,

I agree with you completely (and appologize). We all benefit from input from drummers with a lot of experience and knowlege about different drums. I was just being jokey, and really did need a nap at the time!

[eorrjr]

I'd love to see wood hoops. I like the hoop design that Ayotte uses as oppose to Yahmaha's approach. The Ayotte's design, to me, is more visually pleasing.

[drumfool]

I'm sure if this is something Pearl is considering it would not become available until they very thoroughly studied it and tested it and made it perfect. I also don't view this as an Ayotte replacement or substitute, just as one more Pearl option for the higher end kits.

[Patocho]

For those who want pearl wood hoops, you can vote on the poll I made "by popular demand" to try to make your dream come true.

[DRUMMAN]

I know a drumer that had wood hoops on a anoyytee? snare and it snaped in a year. After seeing that they werent for me. I know i'd snap em too cause i play rock and he plays jazz

[jesuschristhardco]

One of the things I have been looking for in my next drum puchases in wooden hoops - for all drums! For snares, they add a lot of crack on rimshots, and just look totaly awesome on toms. I thing they would be an excelent addition to pearl's kit options. I know my next kit choice would be made for me if Pearl incorporated this option.

[MikeB]

Ayotte did not create wood hoops. Wood hoops predate steel hoops. Ayotte just revamped them. Look at a lot of vintage kits. And marching snares. What do you see...

WOOD HOOPS!

Oh yah, I do think Ayotte has the best ones, but I am sure Pearl would make nice ones.

[JonathanAKAgod]

I see the masterworks wood hoop threads have started popping up again. . .here's the original one. . .and i still give Drumfool the credit for this. Check this thread out too, lots of good pros and cons for wood hoops. . .lots of new people on the forum, so i thought i'd bring this back.

[Mark P]

I vote "YES" to WoodHoops for MasterWorks, :D
...and Pearl Direct Drive Pedals too :p

[AnimalGLX]

Where are the woodhoops from Pearl???

[beatnix13]

i've got yamaha vintage wood hoops on my 9x12, and 14x15 toms, which is a maple mmx kit with a 16x24 kick. the drums look great and are lighter also. i also took off the opti mounts and switched them for the gauger rims mount on the 12, and the dyna mount for the 15. pearl should make the wood hoops>

[Awful]

...and Pearl Direct Drive Pedals too :p

wait til' winter namm cowboy, the'll be there.

[Groeger]

Quite a dated thread here. Wood hoops on a Pearl drum would be a nice option. I've always been a huge fan of wood hoop snares (not perfect for all situations), and I've always been bummed that I have to retro-fit wooden hoops on Pearl's drums.

I've recently bought a masterworks snare that would look fantastic with some wooden hoops. Stanbridge have always looked a bit too bulky for my tastes. Yamaha's are a little cheap lookin. Ayotte don't seem to work on other brands of drum without some mod.

Simple fact is that there needs to be a LARGE demand for Pearl to make the hoops. Unless they can sell a boatload of them, it won't really benefit them and it would be better left to companies that specialize in it.

Cross your fingers folks. I can't wait to see a day where Pearl makes a full-finished sparkle wood hoops to match their sparkle finishes. Maybe someday...

[havenscradle]

dude if they had wood hoops that matched the finsih on the drum then pearl would truly be the kcikest *** drumc ompany ever!!! couldn't you picture a kit with the same color hoop in a finish like diamond burst of something!!! i'd cream my jeans!!