Has anyone??

[DizzyGrl17]

Has anyone ever tried The Dualist?

It's a single foot pedal with two beaters. When you push the pedal down one strikes then when the pedal comes back up the other strikes. The second beater can be deactivated by a step-on lever on one side and, reactivated by another lever on the other side. It sounds interesting. Just wondering if any one has tried it?

[drumfool]

man, that would take some getting used to

I bet if you perfected that technique and the sound quality was up to par, you could play wicked fast.

[Dylan]

I have never even seen one in person, only online. I did try the flash demo on their site and would really like to have one but can't afford a $500, or whatever, pedal. I have asked the stores in my area if they were going to get it and they said no so far. I wonder why? Just think of what you could do w/ it. Very cool.:cool: I'm looking forward to any responses we get on this from Europe where they have had it for a little while.

Later-
DS

[RedHotMuDMath]

yea,

Just think about having a double bass drum kit with two duallists... Whoa, that's some oompa-mega-ultra fast double bass action.

[drumfool]

man, that didn't even cross my mind

when I'm rich and famous and have more money than i'll ever need, i'll have to try that out.

[Pyrotechnic]

They need a Quadist, where theres 4 beaters, 2 strike on the down stroke, and 2 on the up, so it would be down 1, 2, up 3,4. That would be freakin fast, then get 2 Quadists and 2 basses, NOW that would be wicked:cool:

[TinyWrinkle]

A drum pedal with 4 beaters would be a modern engineering breakthrough! Think of how hard that would be to design, just two is pretty complicated. Double bass drum set up with a duallist on each would be pretty wicked. You would have to get used to it though, if you wanted to say just run straight 16ths you would not do the same thing as with two reg. pedals. You would have to let one foot go down and then up before you started the next pedal, because each pedal would do a double stroke while the foot still did a single...man...a little hard to comprehend actually...really crazy stuff. Someone will pick it up and become famous and do some amazing stuff with, I'll tell you that much.

[Drum313]

Hey DizzyGrl,

It seems that I'm one of the few who's gotten a chance to play one of these. Not surprising with only like 5 places in the US selling 'em.

Anyway, I got my Dualist almost a year ago. It's a great pedal overall. It's strong, well built, easy to use... yada, yada... I'm sure you've been to www.theduallist.com (http://www.theduallist.com), so I won't bore everybody with all that info. (if you haven't been to that site, go... lots of info and demos of the pedal)

The thing about the pedal is, it takes a lot of fine tuning to get it to fit your playing style. What makes this kind of annoying is that all the adjustments have to be made with one of 3 allen wrenches... No drum key bolts on this bad boy. :mad: Once you get the pedal adjusted though, you don't have to mess with the settings anymore.

As far as using the pedal goes... Switching from single to double is very easy, especially if you are a heel-up player. It's a very smooth pedal, and it's springs have a wide tension range. What took some getting used to for me was that the tension basically doubles when you switch into double pedal mode. (Your foot has to deal with 2 springs in double mode, 1 spring in single mode.)

There's a whole lot more I could tell you about the pedal, but this post is getting a little long. Feel free to e-mail or p.m. me though.

- Sean

[Underdog]

Musicians Friend has it on sale for $350:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=020804142729063187241211331633/search/detail/base_id/75568

[Joey]

I hate those things. I'd take a real double pedal any day. It just seems like cheating to me.

[Drum313]

A lot of people (in this forum and in general) think that using a Duallist is cheating. All I can say is this, it opens up a world of possibilities that no double pedal (not even an Eliminator) can.
Right now I have the Duallist on my kit, along with a normal double pedal.
The normal double pedal is on my 16x22 bass, the Duallist is on my 8x20 (secondary) bass. Now imagine how this works...
My left foot is on the Duallist, using both beaters on the 8x20. Meanwhile...
My right foot is plaing my 16x20, so there's another beater. Now do the math...
Exactly! I'm using THREE BEATERS! :D Essentially, I have a triple bass setup, and if I were more talented, I'd be able to effectively implement it! ;)
(Can you imagine 2 Duallists on a set - "quadra-bass"!!)

Of course, this doesn't even touch on the fact that with the duallist, you can play double bass while maintaining complete control of your hi-hat.

I will not say that people should get Duallists and shouldn't bother learning how to play double bass. That would be "cheating". But the product itself opens up new worlds of possibility for us drummers, and that is a very good thing!

Happy Drumming!
- Sean

P.S. I love my Eliminator double pedal, and wouldn't trade it for anything. In fact, my Duallist is the only piece of non-Pearl equipment I have (besides my Zildjians)

[Phi]

Is this like the sonor giant step? (http://www.sonor.de/neu/german/drums/giant-step1.htm)

Phi :)

[Drum313]

Phi,
The Duallist is similar to the Giant Step in that they are both double pedals played with a single foot. The similarities end there.

With the Giant Step, one beater is played with the heel, and the other is played with the toe... The Duallist eliminates the need for 2 strokes of the foot; one beater hits on the downstroke (as the foot is pushed down), the other hits on the upstroke (as the foot is lifted).

Basically, The Duallist allows for a much more natural motion to achieve the same result. But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong. :)

You can visit the Duallist website (http://www.theduallist.com) for more info, demos, etc.

- Sean

[Wickerman]

You have a duallist pedal and able to do triplets on he kicks right now... get a double pedal, regualr and work onj triplets, and quads... great video for this is Tommy Aldridge, double bass drumming. He uses the heel/toe method, and it works, because after many pain staking hours of practice, I now do it as well..and it REALLY freaks people out lol.

Doing quads on kicks alone? awesome, and the rest is icing on the cake :D

[Drum313]

Hi Wickerman, :)

I totally agree, nothing seems to make people's jaws drop faster than throwing a few triplets or quadruplets at them with the bass drum(s)! :D

I do have a regular double pedal (2 actually... an eliminator and an older powershifter), and I practice constantly with them. (And I am able to play triplets, 16ths, 32nds, etc., etc.)

What I was referring to when I said "triple bass" was the fact that I have use of 3 beaters... meaning that when I play, say, 4 straight quarter notes (r, l, r, l) what actually comes out of the drums is r, l, l, r, l, l. You get 6 notes for every 4 you play (2 triplets from a quadruplet, if you will).
If I were to play a normal triplet, r, l, r; what actually comes out is r, l, l, r.

I just think this is very cool, and that it opens up a whole new vocabulary of unique licks for us to use... as I said earlier; I'm not saying people should buy Duallists and not bother learning how to actually play double bass. But the Duallist opens up new worlds of possibility for us drummers, and that is a very good thing!
:D
- Sean

[Jake]

I do think the Dualist is a very cool pedal, and playing two dualists at the same time, well that's nice. But i still think that Sonor's GS is a little more flexible, so I'd rather have two of them...I like the feel of them both, though. Nothing wrong with the D.
It's just a matter of taste. Birch or maple, Giant step or Dualist? Sure, they work differently, but it's still a question of taste.
Or why not a DB setup with one of each...

[Warhamster]

Yeah, I've tried it in a drum shop, it took a while to figure out how to play it. But it's an OK pedal, but double kicks are better.

[Fixxxer]

I've used that giant step, and i though that the pedal was EXTREMLY smooth, but i didn't like how it worked, beacuse iif you play heel down, it basicly is the duallist, what i mean is that the heel pedal part has no resistance, so whenever your heel goes in a downward position, the bass gets his, it didn't work too well

[Bojan]

I have the duallist and its ok if you play trash or metal and if you have a good microphone in your bass drum , but if you want am litle more groovy its not your pedal, and for me this pedal dont have to much "punch":rolleyes:

[TonyTheDude]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahah dualist ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

no i do not like the dualist pedal

[woody1144]

learn to play the heel toe technique,its basicly the same principal but costs you alot less and you will be more talented.